Is it illegal to refuse the pledge in public schools?

[Vertimus]

I somehow remembered that I got saturday school in 5th grade for that. It wasn't that long ago, just 3-4 years.

So, can the school force me to say the pledge or allegiance or not?

 

[AFB]

All I am going to say is the thing about flag burning. When you no longer can burn the flag, maybe you should.

 

[deftron]

No, it's not against the law.

 

[Nohr]

I'm a Canadian who went to US schools from 7th grade and on. I'd stand out of respect but I wouldn't recite the pledge. Never got me in any trouble.

 

[Evadman]

If you get a Satuday School, don't go. Then they give you 2. If you don't go to those, you get Suspended for 3 days. Ahh, Vacation.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Vertimus
I somehow remembered that I got saturday school in 5th grade for that. It wasn't that long ago, just 3-4 years.

So, can the school force me to say the pledge or allegiance or not?

so you are saying you are in 8th or 9th grade now?

 

[Vertimus]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
All I am going to say is the thing about flag burning. When you no longer can burn the flag, maybe you should.

So, just because I don't say the pledge means I burn flags?

 

[Vertimus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Vertimus
I somehow remembered that I got saturday school in 5th grade for that. It wasn't that long ago, just 3-4 years.

So, can the school force me to say the pledge or allegiance or not?

so you are saying you are in 8th or 9th grade now?

9th.

 

[Vertimus]

Originally posted by: Evadman
If you get a Satuday School, don't go. Then they give you 2. If you don't go to those, you get Suspended for 3 days. Ahh, Vacation.

:beer:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Vertimus

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
All I am going to say is the thing about flag burning. When you no longer can burn the flag, maybe you should.

So, just because I don't say the pledge means I burn flags?

maybe you should tell us why you don't want to say the pledge

 

[FuZoR]

no i remember a few people refused to do it.

 

[Kalvin00]

Originally posted by: Vertimus

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Vertimus
I somehow remembered that I got saturday school in 5th grade for that. It wasn't that long ago, just 3-4 years.

So, can the school force me to say the pledge or allegiance or not?

so you are saying you are in 8th or 9th grade now?

9th.

woo..a fellow highschool freshman

 

[Vertimus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Vertimus

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
All I am going to say is the thing about flag burning. When you no longer can burn the flag, maybe you should.

So, just because I don't say the pledge means I burn flags?

maybe you should tell us why you don't want to say the pledge

1. It's not educational in any way.
2. Just because one refuses to say the pledge doesn't mean he/she is un-patriotic, etc.
3. Students should not be forced to say anything.
4. Why should students be forced to say the pledge?

 

[Evadman]

1. It's not educational in any way.

Ahh, but it is. Ask your history teacher.

2. Just because one refuses to say the pledge doesn't mean he/she is un-patriotic, etc.

Absolutely correct. But why refuse?

3. Students should not be forced to say anything.

What? Why the hell am I paying for you to go to school?

4. Why should students be forced to say the pledge?

They shouldn't be, and are not. Just stand out of respect.

<edit>
Messed up the quotes.

 

[Vette73]

No, I did not.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Evadman

1. It's not educational in any way.

Ahh, but it is. Ask your history teacher.

it might be, but it's not an educational lesson everytime you recite the words... although it might be a good reminder for everybody, but obviously it fails as well. How many hardcore conservatives/Christians recite the pledge everyday, yet fail to believe/remember in "with liberty and justice for all" (ie gay marriages)

 

[Vertimus]

Originally posted by: Evadman

1. It's not educational in any way.

Ahh, but it is. Ask your history teacher.

Explain?

2. Just because one refuses to say the pledge doesn't mean he/she is un-patriotic, etc.

Absolutely correct. But why refuse?

You are assuming the null is that everyone should say the pledge.

3. Students should not be forced to say anything.

What? Why the hell am I paying for you to go to school?

So I can learn. I say stuff that serves me an educational purpose, although obvioulsy not limited to that.

4. Why should students be forced to say the pledge?

They shouldn't be, and are not. Just stand out of respect.

That is exactly what I did in fifth grade.

Edit: Fixed quotes.

 

[DrPizza]

I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

:roll:


And we have to wonder why kids are so dumb after going through public schools

I guess learning is on the back burner now :roll:

 

[Nitemare]

In today's schools you will be beaten and imprisoned for open displays of patriotism

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

And no offense to you, Dr. Pizza, but this is why even if it's not illegal, it's highly recommended to "go with the flow" and do it. The days of McCarthy may be over, but people can(and do) give you dirty looks if you don't, so it's best just to satiate others. Even if it's "wrong" it's not a big enough battle worth fighting over at such a small level.

 

[juancferrer]

in our school we say the pledge everyday in the classroom. I never stand, and of course i don't say it either. When there's a special function or a meeting, then i stand, but dont' say it

 

[apoppin]

Is it illegal to refuse the pledge in public schools?

NO!

Jehovah's witnesses have already taken this to the Supreme Court in the 1940s..

They respectfully stand for but do not say the pledge . . . OTOH, they sit during the National Anthem.

 

[gotsmack]

they can't make you go to saturday school for that. Call the ACLU. serious.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

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You have GOT to be kidding me. :Q