Is homosexuallity something you are born with?

[XZeroII]

You people are making some very big mistakes. It has been shown that you cannot say that anything is genetic or environment. There isn't a single part of you that is strictly from your genes, or strictly from your environment. Everything about you is influenced by everything about you and around you. Your height, your eye color, your foot size, your food preference, your tolorance to stimuli, everything. You can't say that being gay is 30% genes and 70% environment because it's impossible to prove or conduct accurate studies. Personally, I don't see why people even discuss this. It's 100% pointless because no one here has a single iota of actual knowledge on the subject and even if they did, it would be drown out by the 100 other people here who think that they know everything. I don't like gays for my own reasons, but I don't persecute them. I don't make fun of them, or yell at them or anything. As long as they don't try to force their ways on me, they can do what they want. Who cares why they are the way they are. One guy could have less testosterone or something (as mentioned above) while another may have had a bad experience in life and became gay as a result. Anyone who says that all gays are born gay is gay.

 

[nick1985]

was i born an a$$hole? was i born funny? no, i developed these traits. just like homosexuality is a trait yuo develop

 

[mss242]

Originally posted by: fuzzy bee

i, personally, believe that homosexuals are born homosexual.

wouldn't this be anti-evolution?

That is a really simplistic view of evolution. There are tons of theories which explain how homosexuality would be beneficial to that SPECIES' reproduction, and not just that individual's reproduction. Some of these focus on compensating for the natural inclination that humans have to overreproduce; i.e., people will have more children than they can find food for (as humans are pretty feable in their younger years). A possible solution to this is to have a small percentage of the population not reproduce and help feed their siblings' children. There are many other theories as well, but the bottom line is that evolution doesn't rule out homosexuality as a hereditary trait.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Staley8
Still, you cannot argue the fact that it isn't natural as I pointed out earlier and therefore is not something you are born with

Sure I can. Just because it isn't natural doesn't mean you aren't born with it. Siamese twins aren't natural. Schizophrenia isn't natural. Hell, having a unibrow isn't natural. All of these things -- okay, not the unibrow -- people are born with.

However all of the things you just mentioned (and all of the disorders mentioned in this thread as well) are not natural, nor are they "normal" for humans. These problems/phobias/disorders are genetic problems. So now if you are saying that gays are born gay, then to me it is saying that gays are born not normal and therefore have genetic problems just like people with other pysical and mental problems. Damnit people, just take a look at what fits where as I mentioned before. In computer terms, you can't shove a video card into another video card b/c it isn't meant to be taht one, however a video card fits nicely into an AGP slot just like the two items were "born" to do.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I think there are many factors. But the bottom line is, people are what they are.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
I think there are many factors. But the bottom line is, people are what they are.

yeah, i think people just get into a lot of trouble when trying to pinpoint why homosexuals are homosexual. ive never tried to pinpoint why i like cheesecake. some of it may be becuase im born with the tastebuds that like it and some of it may be i had a lot of it in my house. (this is a terrible analogous relationship to try and build and for that, i apologize) but basically, i think there are too many factors to say overall "its genetic" or "its environmental"

a little off topic: a scholar of freud?!? i didnt know those stille existed. i = pleasantly surprised. the psych dept. at my college hated freud and turned me off to the science completely.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: bolinger
I think you're born with it.

I've known guys in grade school who were fags, and they were still fags in high school too.

Holy Sh!t, ROTFLMAO!!! That was hillarious!!! Very scientific..hehe

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Staley8
Still, you cannot argue the fact that it isn't natural as I pointed out earlier and therefore is not something you are born with

Sure I can. Just because it isn't natural doesn't mean you aren't born with it. Siamese twins aren't natural. Schizophrenia isn't natural. Hell, having a unibrow isn't natural. All of these things -- okay, not the unibrow -- people are born with.

However all of the things you just mentioned (and all of the disorders mentioned in this thread as well) are not natural, nor are they "normal" for humans. These problems/phobias/disorders are genetic problems. So now if you are saying that gays are born gay, then to me it is saying that gays are born not normal and therefore have genetic problems just like people with other pysical and mental problems. Damnit people, just take a look at what fits where as I mentioned before. In computer terms, you can't shove a video card into another video card b/c it isn't meant to be taht one, however a video card fits nicely into an AGP slot just like the two items were "born" to do.

You're basing your argument off of normality, and the video card refference isn't really valid. A better argument would be, say, electrical plugs and outlets. Say someone was making a plug for US outlets, two-pronged, but the prongs come out rounded like for Japanese power systems. You aren't supposed to fit the plug into a japanese outlet, but you can. If things had progressed normally though you wouldn't be plugging it into a japanese outlet. And that still doesn't discount my argument as to why people are born homosexual. Yes, as has been mentioned if you want to look at it that way being gay is a disorder. Not a genetic disorder since it isn't genes that determine whether or not there will be anomalies in hormone introduction during fetal development, but yes a disorder.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

"Disorder" is a heavy word. How can we be so arrogant as to think we know how to quantify the scope of "order"?

 

[jamesave]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&ncid=624&e=1&u=/ap/20030709/ap_on_sc/surprising_clownfish
Look at article- the clownfish can change their sex. I am not sure though, if it means being able to become homosex or not. But pretty interesting fact.