Is homosexuallity something you are born with?

[halik]

First off no flames,
i wanna hear some pro arguments.

Personally i think homosexuality is due to envrionmental factors ( i have somewhat of a freudia view), much like the rest of our psyche.
I've read about studies of identical twins of which one was gay and the other one wasn't. That means homosexuality is not genetic - or something you're born with since identical twins share the same DNA makeup.

EDIT: Lil update, im surprised how well you guys are behaving.. other than few idiots this thread is flame free

Also heres another argument. There is no documented homosexual tendancy in other species other than human and 1 out of 10 (typical homosexual population ) would mean the nature is wasting 10% of the total population (no reproduction) - that doesnt seem to be too effective or evolutionary

 

[blackdogdeek]

Originally posted by: halik
First off no flames,
i wanna hear some pro arguments.

Personally i think homosexuality is due to envrionmental factors ( i have somewhat of a freudia view), much like the rest of our psyche.
I've read about studies of identical twins of which one was gay and the other one wasn't. That means homosexuality is not genetic - or something you're born with since identical twins share the same DNA makeup.

i'm pretty sure that the no flames disclaimer won't stop the flames. as such, i'm going to sit back and roast some hot dogs.

 

[guapo337]

how does one know the straight twin wasnt simply repressing his desires? (that IS a valid point)

secondly. would people "become" homosexual when there is so much hate and anger towards homosexuals at times? i, personally, would never "become" something where i had the potential to recieve so much grief.

i, personally, believe that homosexuals are born homosexual.

i am not gay.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: guapo337
how does one know the straight twin wasnt simply repressing his desires? (that IS a valid point)

secondly. would people "become" homosexual when there is so much hate and anger towards homosexuals at times? i, personally, would never "become" something where i had the potential to recieve so much grief.

i, personally, believe that homosexuals are born homosexual.

i am not gay.

I concur.

 

[masterxfob]

do a search, you'll notice that most every other thread on homosexuality has lead to flame wars.

 

[SuepaFly]

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek

Originally posted by: halik
First off no flames,
i wanna hear some pro arguments.

Personally i think homosexuality is due to envrionmental factors ( i have somewhat of a freudia view), much like the rest of our psyche.
I've read about studies of identical twins of which one was gay and the other one wasn't. That means homosexuality is not genetic - or something you're born with since identical twins share the same DNA makeup.

i'm pretty sure that the no flames disclaimer won't stop the flames. as such, i'm going to sit back and roast some hot dogs.

I have some Corona in the fridge, wanna make it like a tailgate party?

And for the record, it doesn't matter to me which it is. People are people.

 

[FuzzyBee]

i, personally, believe that homosexuals are born homosexual.

wouldn't this be anti-evolution?

 

[filmmaker]

Originally posted by: fuzzy bee

i, personally, believe that homosexuals are born homosexual.

wouldn't this be anti-evolution?

Evolution isn't perfect.

And for the record, it doesn't matter to me which it is. People are people.

 

[guapo337]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: guapo337
how does one know the straight twin wasnt simply repressing his desires? (that IS a valid point)

secondly. would people "become" homosexual when there is so much hate and anger towards homosexuals at times? i, personally, would never "become" something where i had the potential to recieve so much grief.

i, personally, believe that homosexuals are born homosexual.

i am not gay.

I concur.

good

ask anyone who's gay. most (if not all) will tell you that it is the way they were born. how can you argue against someone who has firsthand experience.


sexual desires are not simply something you chose. they occur. without your help. you cant teach yourself to want someone. it is subconscious and subliminal.

 

[xospec1alk]

i believe people are born homosexual too. it is NOT a choice.

 

[guapo337]

Originally posted by: filmmaker

Originally posted by: fuzzy bee

i, personally, believe that homosexuals are born homosexual.

wouldn't this be anti-evolution?

Evolution isn't perfect.

very true. well said. find me one thing in this universe which is truly "perfect" (this stems into a whole other topic) and i'll be impressed.

 

[Rilescat]

Originally posted by: halik
First off no flames,
i wanna hear some pro arguments.

Personally i think homosexuality is due to envrionmental factors ( i have somewhat of a freudia view), much like the rest of our psyche.
I've read about studies of identical twins of which one was gay and the other one wasn't. That means homosexuality is not genetic - or something you're born with since identical twins share the same DNA makeup.

being genetically identical does not mean that you are identical. Look at the cats that were cloned last year. They didn't even look alike.

I don't think we are as on the ball as we think we are with genetics.

to you actual question: No. I think homosexuallity can be an environmental trait. You may be predisposed to it due to your genetics though.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i believe people are born homosexual too. it is NOT a choice.

I believe people are NOT born homosexual. It is THEIR choice to be that way. Let me rephrase that a little. I believe certain people are born with stronger homosexual curiousities, just like I might be born with a curiousity to know what it would be like to rob a store, or jump a dirtbike really high, however acting on these feelings is a choice. Everything you do is a choice, if you are a homosexual that is your choice, not something you are biologically born with.

 

[bolinger]

I think you're born with it.

I've known guys in grade school who were fags, and they were still fags in high school too.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: bolinger
I've known guys in grade school who were fags, and they were still fags in high school too.

and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrre we go

 

[xospec1alk]

if a person grows up fantasizing about other men, its not a mere curiosity....its something they were born with. imho.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: bolinger
I think you're born with it.

I've known guys in grade school who were fags, and they were still fags in high school too.

Riiiiight. So many grade-schoolers, who haven't even caught a whiff of puberty yet, are still very clear about their sexual orientation.

 

[Kenny]

Incidentally, someone did a study on this. I totally forgot names etc...but they were showing it on the news. This is what they said:

If your ring finger is shorter than your index finger, then you're most likely a homosexual. This is definitely not 100% of the time, but this is what he got from his study. It has something to do with your psychological self when you are in your mothers womb.

Not sure how accurate it is, but he made sense.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: halik
First off no flames,
i wanna hear some pro arguments.

Personally i think homosexuality is due to envrionmental factors ( i have somewhat of a freudia view), much like the rest of our psyche.
I've read about studies of identical twins of which one was gay and the other one wasn't. That means homosexuality is not genetic - or something you're born with since identical twins share the same DNA makeup.

You should read more carefully before expounding on this subject. The twins studies (which are very limited to begin with) indicate a correlation, but not an absolute one. So the odds are higher that if one twin is gay, the other will be as well, but this isn't set in stone. That would indicate both a genetic and social/developmental component.

That's about it.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: bolinger
I think you're born with it.

I've known guys in grade school who were fags, and they were still fags in high school too.

Not coincidentally, stupid is forever too.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: xospec1alk i believe people are born homosexual too. it is NOT a choice.

I believe people are NOT born homosexual. It is THEIR choice to be that way. Let me rephrase that a little. I believe certain people are born with stronger homosexual curiousities, just like I might be born with a curiousity to know what it would be like to rob a store, or jump a dirtbike really high, however acting on these feelings is a choice. Everything you do is a choice, if you are a homosexual that is your choice, not something you are biologically born with.

Then the same could be said heterosexuality, with that thinking.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: t60
Incidentally, someone did a study on this. I totally forgot names etc...but they were showing it on the news. This is what they said:

If your ring finger is shorter than your index finger, then you're most likely a homosexual. This is definitely not 100% of the time, but this is what he got from his study. It has something to do with your psychological self when you are in your mothers womb.

Not sure how accurate it is, but he made sense.

Theres a saying.....regarding a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.....might want to check that out.

 

[Mani]

Given the level of persecution homosexuals face in this country, I kinda doubt most would consciously choose it as a lifestyle.

 

[Caminetto]

Actually it can be both genetic and choice. What makes you think it has to be one or the other?

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: t60
Incidentally, someone did a study on this. I totally forgot names etc...but they were showing it on the news. This is what they said:

If your ring finger is shorter than your index finger, then you're most likely a homosexual. This is definitely not 100% of the time, but this is what he got from his study. It has something to do with your psychological self when you are in your mothers womb.

Not sure how accurate it is, but he made sense.

ROFL send me some of that crack you're smoking, it sounds like it does the job realllyyyyyyyyyy good.