Is fish meat?

[Eli]

Originally posted by: BigJ2078

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I am still not sure what the big semantic deal is here. As I said, eggplant is a berry. Now I have never heard it called that, nor found it next to the blueberries. By convention we consider it a vegetable. Technically we are wrong. Who really cares?

all fruits are vegetables but not all vegetables are fruits

Hmm, I think this statement would be wholly incorrect.

Fruits have seeds on the inside. Vegetables do not.

I'm not sure what defines a berry though.

veg·e·ta·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vjt-bl, vj-t-)
n.

1.
1. A plant cultivated for an edible part, such as the root of the beet, the leaf of spinach, or the flower buds of broccoli or cauliflower.
2. The edible part of such a plant.
3. A member of the vegetable kingdom; a plant.

a fruit would be an edible part of a plant. a fruit is anything with seeds in it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too:

meat ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mt)
n.
The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish or poultry.
The edible part, as of a piece of fruit or a nut.
The essence, substance, or gist: the meat of the editorial.
Slang. Something that one enjoys or excels in; a forte: Tennis is his meat.
Nourishment; food: ?Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink? (Edna St. Vincent Millay).
Vulgar Slang.
The human body regarded as an object of sexual desire.
The genitals.

If all fruits are vegetables, then fish is not meat.

What are you talking about? I don't understand the quarellation.

Since the definition of a vegetable includes "an edible part of a plant", all edible fruits are "part of a plant", and therefor a vegetable.

meat is "the edible flesh of animals". A fish is an animal. End of story.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: BigJ2078

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I am still not sure what the big semantic deal is here. As I said, eggplant is a berry. Now I have never heard it called that, nor found it next to the blueberries. By convention we consider it a vegetable. Technically we are wrong. Who really cares?

all fruits are vegetables but not all vegetables are fruits

Hmm, I think this statement would be wholly incorrect.

Fruits have seeds on the inside. Vegetables do not.

I'm not sure what defines a berry though.

veg·e·ta·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vjt-bl, vj-t-)
n.

1.
1. A plant cultivated for an edible part, such as the root of the beet, the leaf of spinach, or the flower buds of broccoli or cauliflower.
2. The edible part of such a plant.
3. A member of the vegetable kingdom; a plant.

a fruit would be an edible part of a plant. a fruit is anything with seeds in it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too:

meat ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mt)
n.
The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish or poultry.
The edible part, as of a piece of fruit or a nut.
The essence, substance, or gist: the meat of the editorial.
Slang. Something that one enjoys or excels in; a forte: Tennis is his meat.
Nourishment; food: ?Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink? (Edna St. Vincent Millay).
Vulgar Slang.
The human body regarded as an object of sexual desire.
The genitals.

If all fruits are vegetables, then fish is not meat.

What are you talking about? I don't understand the quarellation.

Since the definition of a vegetable includes "an edible part of a plant", all edible fruits are "part of a plant", and therefor a vegetable.

meat is "the edible flesh of animals". A fish is an animal. End of story.

Fine, I admit! I wasn't thinking straight, and for that, I shall allow you one insult of my intelligence per AT user!

Who said I wasn't a fair sport?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BigJ2078

Fine, I admit! I wasn't thinking straight, and for that, I shall allow you one insult of my intelligence per AT user!

Who said I wasn't a fair sport?

sweet! now to pick a good insult!

 

[ryzmah]

And in the same manner as the vegetable discussion - where the average person would not consider an apple to be a vegetable, they don't consider fish to be meat. There are many people who use the word "meat" to mean the flesh of mammals, "poultry" to mean the flesh of birds, and "seafood" to mean the flesh of crustaceans and fish. There's not much point in trying to go into a logic argument, as words aren't defined by the supreme authorities at Merriam-Webster - they are defined by their use in modern language.

 

[LeeTJ]

so,

do male fish have "meat" or not??

if so, would it still be considered MEAT??

 

[Kevin]

You people are taking it out of context. Fish is fish. Its not 'meat' in the sense of beef or pork. Sure what you're eating is 'fish meat' but when people compare fish as 'meat', they mean in terms of Beef/Pork (and in some cases Chicken). They are not debating if its 'flesh' or not...

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: kevin000
You people are taking it out of context. Fish is fish. Its not 'meat' in the sense of beef or pork. Sure what you're eating is 'fish meat' but when people compare fish as 'meat', they mean in terms of Beef/Pork (and in some cases Chicken). They are not debating if its 'flesh' or not...

actually

others could say YOU'RE taking it out of context.


context in this case is SOOO relative.

Meat generally invokes images of flesh of living creatures. primarily "red meat" but obviously not JUST red meat otherwise we wouldn't make that distinction. you have "white meat", then you have "fish". are they all meat??

depends on how it's used by those you are around day in and day out.

 

[Kevin]

You're twisting it around. In today's world people refer to Chicken as Chicken, Fish as Fish and Meat as Beef or Pork. They are all "meats" but fish is not a meat in the sense of Beef/Pork. If you said "I want meat", fish would not be considered. Most likely a person would think Beef/Pork or maybe Chicken...

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: kevin000
You're twisting it around. In today's world people refer to Chicken as Chicken, Fish as Fish and Meat as Beef or Pork. They are all "meats" but fish is not a meat in the sense of Beef/Pork. If you said "I want meat", fish would not be considered. Most likely a person would think Beef/Pork or maybe Chicken...

so what do you call turkey??

and why is Pork known as "the other white meat"?? wouldn't that imply that there are better known white meats?? primarily chicken and turkey. so then is chicken known only as chicken or as white meat??

 

[Kevin]

Welcome to the world of "Marketing"...

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: kevin000
Welcome to the world of "Marketing"...

hehehe

you don't actually believe that do you??

they are taking advantage of common terminology, they are not CREATING it.

they are associating Pork "the OTHER white meat" with Chicken and Turkey "THE WHITE MEAT" because they know that people perceive WHITE MEAT as being healthier than "RED MEAT".

your implication that marketing is CREATING the term of White meat is Ludicrous.

they are only taking advantage of the common use of the term WHITE MEAT.

 

[Kevin]

I didn't say anything about white or dark meat. All I said if someone goes to a food store and asks for "meat", they are normaly directed to beef/pork/poultry. White meat and dark meat is just a characteristic...