Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Theres no ''fvcked up interpretation of the Qur'an'', the Quran is very clear that Music of this nature is a sin, like listning to an orchestra is fine, but listning to a guy singing about drugs, sex, etc is a sin. But its not our job to kill them for it...we can't really do anything more than tell them they are sinning, so they have no need to worryThe ''Muslim Extremists'' will not harm them because they can't, it goes against Quran to kill them because they sin.
And we all know the Muslim extremist follow the law to the last word, just like the 9/11 bombers, freedom suicide bombers, Chechnyan rebels that kill children, and the countless other law abiding Muslim extremist that love and cherish the Quaran.
You my friend, are in a desperate need of a clue
That's nice. That's like saying that slavery and torturing isn't 'wrong' because it's just an opinion.
Islamic Law is barbaric and cruel if taken strictly and would be looked down upon from any civilized society with decent human rights.
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Theres no ''fvcked up interpretation of the Qur'an'', the Quran is very clear that Music of this nature is a sin, like listning to an orchestra is fine, but listning to a guy singing about drugs, sex, etc is a sin. But its not our job to kill them for it...we can't really do anything more than tell them they are sinning, so they have no need to worry
That's what I meant by "fvcked up interpretation." I realize that portraying yourself in a sexual way is a sin in Islam and I believe poetry is as well (Mohammed constantly called them liars at least). Threatening people with violence because they sin doesn't seem right because everyone sins. I'm sure threatening someone with violence is considered a sin. I haven't read all of the Qur'an and the hadiths so I can't be completely sure.
Regarding stoning for adultery: The way one of my teachers explained it, it seemed voluntary. A woman who had committed adultery felt remorse but she wasn't sure if Allah would accept her into heaven. So she asked Mohammed what she should do to make sure she is forgiven in the eyes of Allah. After a while Mohammed told her to be cleansed so to speak she would need to be stoned to death. So she voluntarily got stoned to death.
That's the way one of my professors explained it so take it with a grain of salt, I guess.
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I wish that any of the people who mistreat a sinner would voluntarily stone themselves to death or ask relatives to do it for them
Mistreating a sinner is a sin in and of itself..
NO WONDER you are so afraid of and jealous of Christianity >> "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" << brilliance your religion lacks
Mistreating a sinner is a sin in and of itself..
NO WONDER you are so afraid of and jealous of Christianity >> "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" << brilliance your religion lacks
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Theres no ''fvcked up interpretation of the Qur'an'', the Quran is very clear that Music of this nature is a sin, like listning to an orchestra is fine, but listning to a guy singing about drugs, sex, etc is a sin. But its not our job to kill them for it...we can't really do anything more than tell them they are sinning, so they have no need to worry
I think that many fundies in the States have a fvcked up interpretation of Christianity as well. Prime example being, Mr. President Dubya. Actually, everyone else that supports war, death, destruction, greed, regardless of your religion. I can only hope that Kharma truly exist.
Originally posted by: dahunan
I wish that any of the people who mistreat a sinner would voluntarily stone themselves to death or ask relatives to do it for them
Mistreating a sinner is a sin in and of itself..
NO WONDER you are so afraid of and jealous of Christianity >> "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" << brilliance your religion lacks
Care to recommend any version of the bible to read? v1.1? v1.5? v1.7? Which version do you find most balanced and which sect of christianity do you find is going to heaven, I wanna know what to follow, theres a ton of em and they all follow different stuff and follow a different bible...yet they all claim they going to heaven, care to clarify?
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Theres no ''fvcked up interpretation of the Qur'an'', the Quran is very clear that Music of this nature is a sin, like listning to an orchestra is fine, but listning to a guy singing about drugs, sex, etc is a sin. But its not our job to kill them for it...we can't really do anything more than tell them they are sinning, so they have no need to worry
That's what I meant by "fvcked up interpretation." I realize that portraying yourself in a sexual way is a sin in Islam and I believe poetry is as well (Mohammed constantly called them liars at least). Threatening people with violence because they sin doesn't seem right because everyone sins. I'm sure threatening someone with violence is considered a sin. I haven't read all of the Qur'an and the hadiths so I can't be completely sure.
Regarding stoning for adultery: The way one of my teachers explained it, it seemed voluntary. A woman who had committed adultery felt remorse but she wasn't sure if Allah would accept her into heaven. So she asked Mohammed what she should do to make sure she is forgiven in the eyes of Allah. After a while Mohammed told her to be cleansed so to speak she would need to be stoned to death. So she voluntarily got stoned to death.
That's the way one of my professors explained it so take it with a grain of salt, I guess.
He is 100% correct, it is voluntary, sorry if I said something wrong earlier and made it sound like a punishment, its somewhat, but its voluntary. Its the only way to get rid of that sin, so..any true believer will volunteer....or not commit adultery in first place
If the crime is proven with four witnesses, the punishment is capital punishment. This is laid out so that other people do not commit the sin after witnessing such an act. Cheating which is not caught, or is resolved between husband and wife, or that which is not witnessed by 4 men is not eligible for punishment.
That's nice. Your opinion is not subscribed to by almost the rest of the entire world. Thanks and have a nice day. Try not to stone anyone.
Besides, that has no bearing on my view (and likely most of the civilized world) that strict and total adherence to Islamic (and other religions) law is barbaric, inhumane, and cruel.
I'm sure that there are millions upon millions of people that feel fine with their own racist views. That doesn't make it OK under any circumstances.
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Theres no ''fvcked up interpretation of the Qur'an'', the Quran is very clear that Music of this nature is a sin, like listning to an orchestra is fine, but listning to a guy singing about drugs, sex, etc is a sin. But its not our job to kill them for it...we can't really do anything more than tell them they are sinning, so they have no need to worry
That's what I meant by "fvcked up interpretation." I realize that portraying yourself in a sexual way is a sin in Islam and I believe poetry is as well (Mohammed constantly called them liars at least). Threatening people with violence because they sin doesn't seem right because everyone sins. I'm sure threatening someone with violence is considered a sin. I haven't read all of the Qur'an and the hadiths so I can't be completely sure.
Regarding stoning for adultery: The way one of my teachers explained it, it seemed voluntary. A woman who had committed adultery felt remorse but she wasn't sure if Allah would accept her into heaven. So she asked Mohammed what she should do to make sure she is forgiven in the eyes of Allah. After a while Mohammed told her to be cleansed so to speak she would need to be stoned to death. So she voluntarily got stoned to death.
That's the way one of my professors explained it so take it with a grain of salt, I guess.
He is 100% correct, it is voluntary, sorry if I said something wrong earlier and made it sound like a punishment, its somewhat, but its voluntary. Its the only way to get rid of that sin, so..any true believer will volunteer....or not commit adultery in first place
Also, from what I remember, there has to be 4 (3?) witnesses that saw the adultery being committed. You can't go around accusing someone you don't like and have no witnesses to back it up.
The whole adultery thing in Islam isn't as barbaric as everyone thinks, if it is followed correctly. Unfortunately, I doubt that it's followed to the letter in most countries that practice Shariah law.
Edit: Looks like Sultan already explained the part where you need four witnesses. I guess I should've read the rest of the thread.
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Theres no ''fvcked up interpretation of the Qur'an'', the Quran is very clear that Music of this nature is a sin, like listning to an orchestra is fine, but listning to a guy singing about drugs, sex, etc is a sin. But its not our job to kill them for it...we can't really do anything more than tell them they are sinning, so they have no need to worry
That's what I meant by "fvcked up interpretation." I realize that portraying yourself in a sexual way is a sin in Islam and I believe poetry is as well (Mohammed constantly called them liars at least). Threatening people with violence because they sin doesn't seem right because everyone sins. I'm sure threatening someone with violence is considered a sin. I haven't read all of the Qur'an and the hadiths so I can't be completely sure.
Regarding stoning for adultery: The way one of my teachers explained it, it seemed voluntary. A woman who had committed adultery felt remorse but she wasn't sure if Allah would accept her into heaven. So she asked Mohammed what she should do to make sure she is forgiven in the eyes of Allah. After a while Mohammed told her to be cleansed so to speak she would need to be stoned to death. So she voluntarily got stoned to death.
That's the way one of my professors explained it so take it with a grain of salt, I guess.
He is 100% correct, it is voluntary, sorry if I said something wrong earlier and made it sound like a punishment, its somewhat, but its voluntary. Its the only way to get rid of that sin, so..any true believer will volunteer....or not commit adultery in first place
Also, from what I remember, there has to be 4 (3?) witnesses that saw the adultery being committed. You can't go around accusing someone you don't like and have no witnesses to back it up.
The whole adultery thing in Islam isn't as barbaric as everyone thinks, if it is followed correctly. Unfortunately, I doubt that it's followed to the letter in most countries that practice Shariah law.
Edit: Looks like Sultan already explained the part where you need four witnesses. I guess I should've read the rest of the thread.
Its all good
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Voluntary death? It's pretty much just assisted suicide. The accused can't exactly hurl rocks at themselves can they?
It's supposed to be. If it isn't, then the people that are doing the stoning aren't acting according to the hadiths.
The idea of stoning doesn't really sit well with me but barbaric is kind of subjective. Many countries think that the fact we still have a death penalty is barbaric while many in the United States would disagree with that opinion.
Do you have a link for this and describe it some more? I was under the assumption that it was a punishment that needed to be carried out.
Obviously 'barbaric' is subjective, just as 'right' or 'wrong' is subjective. To me, and I'm sure most civilized and modern people, stoning is a cruel and barbaric act.
As for the death penalty in the US, I would also say that it is barbaric and should be outdated. However, the current process is not nearly as barbaric as stoning someone to death..
I really couldn't say which hadith the part about adultery is in. Again, that's just what one of my professors told the class. I didn't write down which hadith he was talking about. You might want to ask mOeeOm or Sultan about it.
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