Iraq surrenders start

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Infos
He-he the Iraqi are going after the french record for fastest capitulators

Wow, for sale on eBay, "Iraqi rifle, never used, only dropped once!"

Why wait till there's a crowd, surrender now. avoid the long lines.

LOL!

Attention K-Mart shoppers, surrender now before the rush!

LOL!

: ) Hopper

 

[NesuD]

By Phuz's request I have removed everything from my post so as not to make myself look silly for my differing views.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Link for those that didn't catch it on the last page. Pre...tty.. in... credible. Now we can start making fun of them like the French!

 

[spaceman]

This is good to see!
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a wholesale surrender/revolt against Saddam.

 

[ed21x]

Moony-
Everyone knows what you're saying- they just know that it's not correct. Belive it, accept it, and quit this pointless bid for attention. We can all use one less Jerboy around here.

 

[MadRat]

Whether its 800 or 3000 cruise missiles, its not the point. Civilian casaulties will be avoided when possible, and thats a fact.

The idea of the soldier as cannon fodder is nihilistic. The idea ofa soldier calling themself important is narcissism. We've had both in this thread.

A soldier is a pawn that carries out the will of their commanders. Some commanders are good, some are bad. Niether has any bearing on who the soldier is, a bad commander doesn't make a soldier under him bad and vice versa. Everyone in society is the pawn of some other persons, like me of the little woman in my life, so don't use what I said as fuel that I'm bad mouthing soldiers. We all do things that we don't want to do to survive because nobody is going out of their way to make your life better. Thats a fact, Jack.

 

[MisfitsFiend]

I'd just love to see 'em put sleeping gas in the bombs so they all fall asleep and we come in and write stuff on their foreheads with magic markers

LOL

-mf

 

[glen]

News
SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER


Mar 9 2003




Mike Hamilton reports from Camp Coyote in Kuwait


TERRIFIED Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started.

The motley band of a dozen troops waved the white flag as British paratroopers tested their weapons during a routine exercise.

The stunned Paras from 16 Air Assault Brigade were forced to tell the Iraqis they were not firing at them, and ordered them back to their home country telling them it was too early to surrender.

The drama unfolded last Monday as the Para batallion tested mortars and artillery weapons to make sure they were working properly.

The Iraqis found a way across the fortified border, which is sealed off with barbed-wire fencing, watchtowers and huge trenches.




TESTING TIME: British Marines are preparing for war

A British Army source in Kuwait contacted me to explain how the extraordinary surrender bid unfolded. The source said: "The British guys on the front-line could not believe what was happening. They were on pre-war exercises when all of a sudden these Iraqis turned up out of nowhere, with their hands in the air, saying they wanted to surrender.

"They had heard firing and thought it was the start of the war.

"The Paras are a tough, battle-hardened lot but were moved by the plight of the Iraqis. There was nothing they could do other than send them back.

"They were a motley bunch and you could barely describe them as soldiers - they were poorly equipped and didn't even have proper boots. Their physical condition was dreadful and they had obviously not had a square meal for ages. No one has ever known a group of so-called soldiers surrender before a shot has been fired in anger."

Last night the Ministry of Defence officially denied the incident had taken place, but the story was corroborated by an intelligence source.

Meanwhile Saddam Hussein has ordered thousands of troops back to Baghdad as he turns the city into a fortress.

It is believed that two rings of steel are being established around Baghdad. The outer one consists of regular Iraqi army soldiers and the inner one is made up of Republican Guard fighters - thought to be the only troops that will put up fierce resistance.




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[jjones]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My magic mirror trick.

No moonie, it's no magic mirror trick. It's more like the retort coming from a 6 year old when insulted, "I know you are but what am I?". Just like most of your comments, weak in every regard.

 

[Moonbeam]

jjones, you should refer the 6 year old stuff to etech, my magic mirror trick is his idea.

You should also be rather more aware than most, it seems to me that calling most of my remarks weak in every regard is weak in every regard. After all everybody knows that nine out to ten doctors have diagnosed you with acute simplicity syndrome, no?

 

[StageLeft]

I predict mass defections!

 

[ToBeMe]

Ah, nothing wrong with good ole' Moonie......................we may disagree on nearly every subject, and his post while articulat may be hard to swallow at times and require "washing down" with some "whine".............................but hey, just because Moonies is many time a different opinion doesn't make them wrong........................just different.....................sometimes VERY different!

 

[Moonbeam]

and when the whine starts coursing through the vane, hehe, we can even discuss those differences with agrument rathen than inonesendo, no? We should have a thread where all you can post is No, your the idiot!!!

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Whether its 800 or 3000 cruise missiles, its not the point. Civilian casaulties will be avoided when possible, and thats a fact.

The idea of the soldier as cannon fodder is nihilistic. The idea ofa soldier calling themself important is narcissism. We've had both in this thread.

A soldier is a pawn that carries out the will of their commanders. Some commanders are good, some are bad. Niether has any bearing on who the soldier is, a bad commander doesn't make a soldier under him bad and vice versa. Everyone in society is the pawn of some other persons, like me of the little woman in my life, so don't use what I said as fuel that I'm bad mouthing soldiers. We all do things that we don't want to do to survive because nobody is going out of their way to make your life better. Thats a fact, Jack.

What's the difference between cannon fodder and a pawn? It is also obvious from your statement "Niether has any bearing on who the soldier is, a bad commander doesn't make a soldier under him bad and vice versa." that you have no clue about the military. A good/bad commander is a direct reflection of his men and vice vesa. That is the fact, not that crap you wrote.

Its obvious they are serving their country, unconditionally

What is obvious is that you don't know what you are talking about. Neither I nor anyone I know serves their country unconditionally.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
jjones, you should refer the 6 year old stuff to etech, my magic mirror trick is his idea.

You should also be rather more aware than most, it seems to me that calling most of my remarks weak in every regard is weak in every regard. After all everybody knows that nine out to ten doctors have diagnosed you with acute simplicity syndrome, no?

The magic mirror trick is all your idea moonie, I'm just calling it what it is.

Waiting for your next little bit of psycho-babble.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
What's the difference between cannon fodder and a pawn? It is also obvious from your statement "Niether has any bearing on who the soldier is, a bad commander doesn't make a soldier under him bad and vice versa." that you have no clue about the military. A good/bad commander is a direct reflection of his men and vice vesa. That is the fact, not that crap you wrote.

Awww, Dave"Rumsfeld"Sohmer finally makes his narcissistic appearance. Its never long from the point a post has any mention of the world "military" to the appearance of Dave's ugly opinions. Sunk any torpedoes in the water today, Dave? Ahhhh, its been so long since we've had the pleasure of listening to you blow your own horn!

Not everyone bows to your militaristic ideas of sadism, Dave. Soldiers are not their commander; commanders are not their soldiers. The military is made of individuals that give up their own decision making to an extent, but that doesn't mean they give up their individualism. I pity you if you followed every order in your former career; I'm betting you did not.

A wise man once made a statement that officers should not always follow the orders of the general in every situation. The individual has to make their own decisions depending on the situation. It helps the grand plan when everyone follows the same plan, but that doesn't mean the same individualized plans work for everyone. Nor does it mean that all lower commanders can even interpret the real meaning behind the indivual plans while staying focused on the grand plan.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
What's the difference between cannon fodder and a pawn? It is also obvious from your statement "Niether has any bearing on who the soldier is, a bad commander doesn't make a soldier under him bad and vice versa." that you have no clue about the military. A good/bad commander is a direct reflection of his men and vice vesa. That is the fact, not that crap you wrote.

Awww, Dave"Rumsfeld"Sohmer finally makes his narcissistic appearance. Its never long from the point a post has any mention of the world "military" to the appearance of Dave's ugly opinions. Sunk any torpedoes in the water today, Dave? Ahhhh, its been so long since we've had the pleasure of listening to you blow your own horn!

Not everyone bows to your militaristic ideas of sadism, Dave. Soldiers are not their commander; commanders are not their soldiers. The military is made of individuals that give up their own decision making to an extent, but that doesn't mean they give up their individualism. I pity you if you followed every order in your former career; I'm betting you did not.

A wise man once made a statement that officers should not always follow the orders of the general in every situation. The individual has to make their own decisions depending on the situation. It helps the grand plan when everyone follows the same plan, but that doesn't mean the same individualized plans work for everyone. Nor does it mean that all lower commanders can even interpret the real meaning behind the indivual plans while staying focused on the grand plan.

And once again you have posted something abut the military based on zero knowledge or experience. The statement that soldiers don't reflect their leaders and vice versa brings into specific relief the total and complete extent of your ignorance. Good soldiers know when to disobey orders and that is a a direct reflection on their training and leadership. Two more points before you're dismissed. 1. I am not in any way shape or form blowing my horn. I am simply refuting the ignorance that you spew forth based on the ~19 years of experience I have in this area, experience that you clearly do not have. You have somehow covinced yourself that by reading an article on the internet that you have the requisite knowledge to put forth an intelligent opinion. You do not and I laugh at your lame attempts to convince yourself, and others, that you do. and 2. It is not a former career. I am still on active duty.


You're dismissed.

Now run off and tell the mods I called you ignorant.

 

[MadRat]

LOL, Dave, you're so short-sighted you must have been enlisted.

 

[ABErickson]

This was in Newsweek this week:

It was the usual creepy military parade through downtown Baghdad. Some of Saddam?s fedayeen (?men of sacrifice?) were dressed in dazzling white uniforms??the color of a shroud, because we expect to die,? explained a 24-year-old fedayeen leader. More jarring were the fedayeen garbed in the familiar tan camouflage of the United States Army. Saddam has ordered thousands of uniforms identical, down to the last detail, to those worn by U.S. and British troopers. The plan: to have Saddam?s men, posing as Western invaders, slaughter Iraqi citizens while the cameras roll for Al-Jazeera and the credulous Arab press.

Nice guy, huh?

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: MadRat
LOL, Dave, you're so short-sighted you must have been enlisted.

MadRat, you're talking about issues you do not understand. You'll breathe easier if you head back to the shallow end of the pool. Moreover, to slight enlisted personnel with your ignorance is just that, ignorance.

 

[Moonbeam]

MadRat, have you followed Sohmer's posts carefully? He can be rather abrupt, maybe even brutally frank in some of his remarks, but when expressing ideas about war, the military, etc, I find his words extremely comforting. I Don't agree with all his views, I don't think we are or ever were saber rattling, for example, but I find his posts intelligent and the product of serious thought. The thought that the military is full of people of his caliber would be very comforting to me. Maybe just stick to the issues and you may be surprised. His answer to you here, for example, was must cogent and gentlemanly, No?

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I predict mass defections!

w00t! We have Miss Cleo here everyone!!!

: ) Hopper

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: MadRat
LOL, Dave, you're so short-sighted you must have been enlisted.

LOL ....Rat, you're so ignorant, you must be a little kid.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MadRat
LOL, Dave, you're so short-sighted you must have been enlisted.

Wow. Rather or not you agree with the war (personally i don?t). Being so disrespectful to people will NOT win an argument.

What Dave posted is actually true. Every male in my family has served in the armed forces and about half the females. While i don?t have the length of service that Dave has (unfortunately due to health relegated problems caused by service) I do know some about it.

A person under a commander needs to not only know when to fallow orders but when to disobey them and take the consequences of it. A good commander can inspire confidence and strength in his men. A bad one well lets just say they won?t do very well.

While I disagree with this war, I still support the men and women in the armed forces. They joined up to protect and defend the US. They don?t have the choice on what war they face. But they will do it with a minimal of causalities as possible.

 

[MadRat]

Actually, sketcher, I do understand. There is a difference with being in for 19 years as enlisted and with being of the line. Dave's smug attitude, largely garnered from his previous statements in other threads, reminds me of some Air Force chiefs I used to know. They were in so long they forgot what being an individual was all about. Anyone that can think independently seems to be a real threat to him, whereas a carreer officer better understand the reason why their higher ups make the decisions and stays focused on that outcome or they won't have a job for long.

One of these days will realize that his opinions are just that and have no relevance to anyone else outside his locus. Seriously, if he has such a canned attitude here in a forum I can only imagine how terribly he treats a subordinate. Yep, bet the guys around him cannot wait for him to leave. Until that time he can keep collecting his paycheck and continue being the best damn "yes man" in the navy. He's in for a shock once he joins the real world.