Iran, six world powers clinch breakthrough nuclear deal

[K1052]

Except history has shown that when a country reaches that stage, we back off and not threaten attacks anymore - remember the response to North Korea sinking a South Korean ship? Neither do I.

NK has a pretty long history of unprovoked attacks on US and ROK forces along the DMZ. We didn't decide to escalate into a full scale conflict those times either. Gambling with millions of lives isn't an armchair sport.

 

[EagleKeeper]

"This (zionist) regime will be erased from the pages of History" has
been translated in the words you re using , i guess that building
an argumentation out of mistranslations is the usual traits
of self sufficent people that only manage to expose their
mediocrity and clulessness when discussing thoses political matters.

Indeed the regime that rules Palestine has to be changed
from its actual basis wich are supremacism , apartheid
and of course racism as the necessary fuel..

Ignoring the fact that the Zionist regime is a way of not using the word Jews; because there are Jews in their country as well.

The Zionist came in and created/built/expanded Israel.

The intention is to remove the government and all that support it.
That sounds like elimination.

If they were not after the overall country; then why their whole hearted backing of Hezbolla and Hamas. Those two are not trying to do a regime change; they want elimination.

 

[EagleKeeper]

We keep pigeon holing countries into feeling that they NEED nuclear weapons. Libya, South Africa, North Korea, and now Iran. We need to be smart and use diplomacy properly. North Korea is a failure, the other two were successes, and there's no reason we can't be successful in Iran.

Please explain why South Africa was pigeon holed by US.

Libya had a change of heart only after Iraq 2; not because of diplomatic reasons but fear of attack/invasion (which happened anyhow internally)

Israel was the one that took care of Syria, not us. Syria was a threat to them.
As to why Syria wanted nukes; they never advertised (and denied) the program anyhow so it is pure speculation that it was the US that forced them.

 

[brandonb]

Ignoring the fact that the Zionist regime is a way of not using the word Jews; because there are Jews in their country as well.

The Zionist came in and created/built/expanded Israel.

The intention is to remove the government and all that support it.
That sounds like elimination.

If they were not after the overall country; then why their whole hearted backing of Hezbolla and Hamas. Those two are not trying to do a regime change; they want elimination.

See, this is the problem with Zionists. You guys have such paranoia that you try to influence every other regime which is neutral or not on board with your agenda. That influence causes the mistrust. Which makes yourself a target, and the cycle repeats. If you guys just drop the nonsense, you'd get much further.

Everybody middle eastern country which does not have a peace treaty with you guys is in ruins or has been destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran. Not to mention several others. Those who do not support you outside the region are also mentioned negatively. People can put 2 + 2 together here and see the threat. On board with Zionists or be in ruins.

Nobody wants to destroy the Zionist regime. They want the Zionist regime gone (as in obsolete/replaced) because it's a threat to those who are not on board with your agenda. It has nothing to do with Jews as a race or religion. If Jews abandoned Zionism, Jews would not be on the radar at all. People would look at Israel as another Singapore or another small country and they will be left alone.

I am in America, and I find the Zionist agenda affecting me and my government, and honestly I don't like it. If that was gone, I'd have no issue with Israel or Jews what so ever.

 

[fskimospy]

Ignoring the fact that the Zionist regime is a way of not using the word Jews; because there are Jews in their country as well.

The Zionist came in and created/built/expanded Israel.

The intention is to remove the government and all that support it.
That sounds like elimination.

If they were not after the overall country; then why their whole hearted backing of Hezbolla and Hamas. Those two are not trying to do a regime change; they want elimination.

You realize that there are a lot of Jews that are anti-Zionist, right? The two are not analogous.

That doesn't mean that there isn't antisemitism at work here, but Zionists and Jews are not even close to the same thing.

 

[Abwx]

Ignoring the fact that the Zionist regime is a way of not using the word Jews; because there are Jews in their country as well.

It is a fact that the zionists are jews but saying zionists
is not saying jews, that s two different things although
people like you will willfully want to confuse the things
as a mean to distort people sayings...

The Zionist came in and created/built/expanded Israel.

They looted a land , that s a fact , what they have done
with it is another matter but in no way a fait accompli
can be used as a cover for a legitimacy that is the same
one as a thieve who is holding you in respect in your
house thanks to a gun...

The intention is to remove the government and all that support it.
That sounds like elimination.

Of course , elimination of a regime , but this is not elimination
of individuals, think elimination of its cousin the south african
apartheid regime for instance..

If they were not after the overall country; then why their whole hearted backing of Hezbolla and Hamas. Those two are not trying to do a regime change; they want elimination.

Hezbollah is a defensive militia while Hamas is really not different
from jewish religious parties , after all the settlers belong mainly
to thoses judaic extremist religious organisations and so far it is
the israelis who are perpetrating ethnic cleansing whatever the
victim status they re constantly usurpating and advertising
for the gullible western audiences..

 

[EagleKeeper]

You realize that there are a lot of Jews that are anti-Zionist, right? The two are not analogous.

That doesn't mean that there isn't antisemitism at work here, but Zionists and Jews are not even close to the same thing.

I agree but in the mind of most of the Arabs/Muslim; they were one and the same.

 

[moonbogg]

I laugh at people who think Iran would use "the bomb". They wouldn't choose to eliminate their entire culture from the planet forever. I don't see Iran as being insane. It would make a good bargaining chip for them, but they wouldn't use it to attack.

 

[EagleKeeper]

See, this is the problem with Zionists. You guys have such paranoia that you try to influence every other regime which is neutral or not on board with your agenda. That influence causes the mistrust. Which makes yourself a target, and the cycle repeats. If you guys just drop the nonsense, you'd get much further.

Everybody middle eastern country which does not have a peace treaty with you guys is in ruins or has been destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran. Not to mention several others. Those who do not support you outside the region are also mentioned negatively. People can put 2 + 2 together here and see the threat. On board with Zionists or be in ruins.

Nobody wants to destroy the Zionist regime. They want the Zionist regime gone (as in obsolete/replaced) because it's a threat to those who are not on board with your agenda. It has nothing to do with Jews as a race or religion. If Jews abandoned Zionism, Jews would not be on the radar at all. People would look at Israel as another Singapore or another small country and they will be left alone.

I am in America, and I find the Zionist agenda affecting me and my government, and honestly I don't like it. If that was gone, I'd have no issue with Israel or Jews what so ever.

Tell that to Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria. All three want the state of Israel gone and along with the population.

You do not see any of them discriminating between who is a Zionist and not.
A Jew is a Jew and to be exterminated.

You believe the 5 wars with the neighboring Arab countries were of Zionism; they were over the fact that there was a Jewish state in the middle of the Arab area that had to be eliminated.

The same goes with Iran now; fancy words; same meaning. They do not have a problem with Jews; just the fact that is a Jewish state in that location.

Even Muslims in Pakistan have the same issue. They are not Arabs.

A Jewish state in a Muslim area.

 

[Oyeve]

I predict dickead isreal will fuck this up within 6 months.

 

[BUnit1701]

Worked on an above-ground nuclear facility with outmatched air defenses. Multiple facilities, some of which are embedded in mountainsides are a whole different ballgame. Current analysis says we'd need nuclear bunker-busters to do it reliably, you don't release nuclear ordnance lightly.

Sounds to me like a great message to anyone else considering starting up a program. You try to build a bomb, we will drop one on your efforts.

 

[Abwx]

Tell that to Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria. All three want the state of Israel gone and along with the population.

You do not see any of them discriminating between who is a Zionist and not.
A Jew is a Jew and to be exterminated.

You believe the 5 wars with the neighboring Arab countries were of Zionism; they were over the fact that there was a Jewish state in the middle of the Arab area that had to be eliminated.

The same goes with Iran now; fancy words; same meaning. They do not have a problem with Jews; just the fact that is a Jewish state in that location.

Even Muslims in Pakistan have the same issue. They are not Arabs.

A Jewish state in a Muslim area.

Ask your inspirators , they are the real nazis and ethnic
cleansing perfomers , as they themselves aknowledge
that they are a bunch of looters , all your post is indeed
rubbish , a total inversion of reality and facts with the hope
that people are uninformed...

In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine… let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them.
A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily... it is easier for them to continue the war and not get tired than it is for us... The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help. From our point of view, they are strangers; in the point of law they are foreigners; but to the Arabs, they are not foreigners at all ... The centre of the war is in Palestine, but its dimensions are much wider. When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs... and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome... But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases... let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler's or Mussolini's propaganda — this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

 

[werepossum]

I agree but in the mind of most of the Arabs/Muslim; they were one and the same.

Very simple differentiation - a Zionist is a Jew who has not yet assumed room temperature.

 

[fskimospy]

Very simple differentiation - a Zionist is a Jew who has not yet assumed room temperature.

How do you explain all the anti-Zionist Jews then? Zombies?!

 

[JEDIYoda]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

No, Iran has 6 months to figure out if can they transfer and hide what is needed to get to that point.

Or they could cherry pick out some of the agreement and beg for more time.

Or the sanctions are finally working to the point that they are wising up.

In 6 months, we will know that status of a shell game.

At least they have know acknowledged that there is some type of pea under the shell instead of the absolute denial that we have heard for years.
__________________

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Jaskalas]

Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

Huh...

“What has been released by the website of the White House as a fact sheet is a one-sided interpretation of the agreed text in Geneva and some of the explanations and words in the sheet contradict the text of the Joint Plan of Action, and this fact sheet has unfortunately been translated and released in the name of the Geneva agreement by certain media, which is not true,” Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Marziyeh Afkham told the Iranian press on Tuesday.

Afkham and officials said that the White House has “modified” key details of the deal and released their own version of the agreement.

Iran’s right to enrich uranium, the key component in a nuclear weapon, is fully recognized under the draft released by Tehran.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The truth of the matter is that Eagle is 100% right on!
On my last trip to the middle east, namely Israel and several other countries that OI have access too...lol.....
The consensus among the average people in those countries was that if and when Iran gets the bomb they will use it for one of 2 things......to impose their will on other nations in that region and in order to prove they have nuclear capabilities they will use it against Israel.
Don`t start stammering and crying that Iran would never use the bomb against Israel without it affecting Iran or other countries!
The hatred exhibited for Israel people and government even by regular Iranian people is far greater than any worries that Iran might have over the repercussions of a nuclear attack!

Bottom line in not will Israel on its own conduct a preemptive attack...but when will Israel attack....it is a matter of time!

 

[Wolfovich]

I think the US and the West will have an unpleasant surprise on their hands when they realize Iran doesn't care about the agreement.

They will undoubtedly continue to develop their nuclear energy program for the long-term.

 

[Abwx]

Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

Huh...

You should have added a few lines of your quote :

Christians United for Israel (CUFI) Executive Director David Brog said he fears that the White House may have been “played by the Iranians.”

Huh, extremists zionists propaganda is your bible in short..

 

[Abwx]

They will undoubtedly continue to develop their nuclear energy program for the long-term.

Of course , they want to develloppe their country
whatever the wet dreams of the zionists who would
prefer an impoverished Iran , poor fools , Iran is a 8000
years old nation whose history can be traced since
Sumer and undoubtly a craddle if not THE craddle
of civilization...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

Huh...

“What has been released by the website of the White House as a fact sheet is a one-sided interpretation of the agreed text in Geneva and some of the explanations and words in the sheet contradict the text of the Joint Plan of Action, and this fact sheet has unfortunately been translated and released in the name of the Geneva agreement by certain media, which is not true,” Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Marziyeh Afkham told the Iranian press on Tuesday.

Afkham and officials said that the White House has “modified” key details of the deal and released their own version of the agreement.

Iran’s right to enrich uranium, the key component in a nuclear weapon, is fully recognized under the draft released by Tehran.

Everyone puts their own spin on it.

If Iran is correct though; then they played everyone again.

I would like to see what the other members that were there, have to say and/or look at the actual document.
While there may be one in English and in Arabic, neither side would allow it to be inaccurate.

Iran has more to lose face if the WH is accurate; so I can see them presenting it to look like the West caved in.

 

[Abwx]

While there may be one in English and in Arabic,

Telling about one s clulessness...:biggrin:

 

[zinfamous]

The truth of the matter is that Eagle is 100% right on!
On my last trip to the middle east, namely Israel and several other countries that OI have access too...lol.....
The consensus among the average people in those countries was that if and when Iran gets the bomb they will use it for one of 2 things......to impose their will on other nations in that region and in order to prove they have nuclear capabilities they will use it against Israel.
Don`t start stammering and crying that Iran would never use the bomb against Israel without it affecting Iran or other countries!
The hatred exhibited for Israel people and government even by regular Iranian people is far greater than any worries that Iran might have over the repercussions of a nuclear attack!

Bottom line in not will Israel on its own conduct a preemptive attack...but when will Israel attack....it is a matter of time!

Iran bombs Israel, Iran ceases to exist. they know that, and they aren't as stupid as the sheeple that believe these threats to be real.

They will undoubtedly continue to develop their nuclear energy program for the long-term.

No one doubts that; it's inevitable. It was part of the current proposal, after all.

 

[michal1980]

Iran bombs Israel, Iran ceases to exist. they know that, and they aren't as stupid as the sheeple that believe these threats to be real.

Right. Because after nuking isreal they will come out and say they have a few more bombs planeted all over the world, and if attacked they'll set those off.

Obama will come out and say that we need to be reasonable. And that he's talked to Iran, and now they are really willing to work with us.

 

[EagleKeeper]

While there may be one in English and in Arabic,

Telling about one s clulessness...:biggrin:

Sorry, apparently also in Farsi and Latin

Did not mean to make such an oversight