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Iran, six world powers clinch breakthrough nuclear deal

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zinfamous said:
Iran bombs Israel, Iran ceases to exist. they know that, and they aren't as stupid as the sheeple that believe these threats to be real.
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That has always been your response...for how long now??

I think I know quite abit more than you on this subject.......don`t be alarmed when one of 2 things happen...
1)Israel conducts a pre-emtive strike against Iran...or...
2) Iran nukes Israel...
 
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michal1980 said:
Right. Because after nuking isreal they will come out and say they have a few more bombs planeted all over the world, and if attacked they'll set those off.

Obama will come out and say that we need to be reasonable. And that he's talked to Iran, and now they are really willing to work with us.
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Suffer from paranoid delusions often?
 
JEDIYoda said:
That has always been your response...for how long now??

I think I know quite abit more than you on this subject.......don`t be alarmed when one of 2 things happen...
1)Israel conducts a pre-emtive strike against Iran...or...
2) Iran nukes Israel...
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Total fearmongering. Unsurprising, considering the source.

Israel won't be attacking Iran any time RSN, because Uncle Sugar will cut off the money & the war material if they do.

Iran won't be nuking anybody, either, considering that there is zero evidence that they have ever created weapons grade material. That's with IAEA supervision of their enrichment facilities.

You know more? You just know to spread the FUD when the call from your Hasbara masters is received.
 
It's wait and see now, I would really rather Kerry not lie to us though. It just makes him look stupid, and lets us know that he thinks we are stupid. I can understand the politics behind his statements; that does not make them any less ridiculous however.
 
Jhhnn said:
Total fearmongering. Unsurprising, considering the source.

Israel won't be attacking Iran any time RSN, because Uncle Sugar will cut off the money & the war material if they do.

Iran won't be nuking anybody, either, considering that there is zero evidence that they have ever created weapons grade material. That's with IAEA supervision of their enrichment facilities.

You know more? You just know to spread the FUD when the call from your Hasbara masters is received.
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really???
So you really believe with all your heart that Iran wants to obtain this technology for peaceful purposes?

Fearmongering..hardly...realistic--YES!!

I stand by what I am saying that if and when Iran gets the technology and developes nuclear weapons that one of my 2 scenarios will happen....
 
Iran will do detonation testing just like N.Korea is doing and continue on with missile testing just like N.Korea is doing. Contracts / deals / agreements mean nothing to N.Korea or Iran. But they will be more then happy to rope in the appeasers if nothing else for entertainment / propaganda purposes.
 
AViking said:
Must fear monger more!
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compuwiz1 said:
I wouldn't trust it. The Iranians are probably laughing their asses off, chanting "death to America",
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It takes a truly dumbed down ignert moron to not understand who is really trying to kill this country. The ones chanting "death to America" are the ones you vote for.
 
JEDIYoda said:
really???
So you really believe with all your heart that Iran wants to obtain this technology for peaceful purposes?

Fearmongering..hardly...realistic--YES!!

I stand by what I am saying that if and when Iran gets the technology and developes nuclear weapons that one of my 2 scenarios will happen....
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If/and paranoid Zionist scenarios do sell, but only to the well indoctrinated.

Iran already has the technology & the expertise to create nuclear weapons, and have for some while. If they wanted 'em, they'd already have 'em. No credible source has made any such claim, and there is no evidence to suggest that they have created significant amounts of weapons grade material at all.

That's reality. Please reference it when posting.

Any agreement will attempt to strengthen & verify ongoing compliance with the NPT, compel Iran, Israel & the US to better address their own internal problems rather than distract their populations with puffed up external threats.

The Horror!
 
michal1980 said:
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Yeah guys, we need to follow the michal1980 foreign policy plan of making vague threats and saying that we should totally make more sanctions or something cool like that.

When asked to elaborate on that grand, well thought out plan, our good friend mike has been curiously silent. It's almost like he never had a clue as to what he was talking about to begin with.
 
Well good ole Billy Crystal thinks the only solution is military.

He's a good weather vane. He's been wrong about absolutely everything he ever said about solutions for the middle east. So it's obvious that diplomacy is the right answer.
 
eskimospy said:
Yeah guys, we need to follow the michal1980 foreign policy plan of making vague threats and saying that we should totally make more sanctions or something cool like that.

When asked to elaborate on that grand, well thought out plan, our good friend mike has been curiously silent. It's almost like he never had a clue as to what he was talking about to begin with.
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I missed the callout.

Guess we should just go on you plan.

"Hope"

PS Sanctions have been working.

Theres a reason a slightly more moderate guy was elected. And why Iran even approached the table. That reason is sanctions.

More harsher sanctions would have made Iran give up more, then oh... the nothing they did for this 'breakthrough'.
 
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michal1980 said:
I missed the callout.

Guess we should just go on you plan.

"Hope"

PS Sanctions have been working.

Theres a reason a slightly more moderate guy was elected. And why Iran even approached the table. That reason is sanctions.

More harsher sanctions would have made Iran give up more, then oh... the nothing they did for this 'breakthrough'.
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Sanctions have been working so well that they forced Iran to make an agreement that you believe makes them give up nothing.

lol.

Seriously, do you even read the shit you write? Also, yet again I have noticed that you refuse to be specific on what new sanctions you would like, how they would be implemented, and your expected results.
 
michal1980 said:
I missed the callout.

Guess we should just go on you plan.

"Hope"

PS Sanctions have been working.

Theres a reason a slightly more moderate guy was elected. And why Iran even approached the table. That reason is sanctions.

More harsher sanctions would have made Iran give up more, then oh... the nothing they did for this 'breakthrough'.
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With anything you eventually reach a point of diminishing returns... which has arguably been reached here. Iran is already very heavily sanctioned and it has not appreciably delayed their nuclear program (covert action probably has but that's another issue).

Sanctions contributed to the current negotiations buy increasing the desire of the populace for their government to make a deal. Events elsewhere in the ME that have toppled/threatened dictators and sundry authoritarian regimes surely gave the decision makers in Iran additional reasons to desire genuine rapprochement with the west.
 
michal1980 said:
Right. Because after nuking isreal they will come out and say they have a few more bombs planeted all over the world, and if attacked they'll set those off.

Obama will come out and say that we need to be reasonable. And that he's talked to Iran, and now they are really willing to work with us.
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huh?

they are going to suddenly produce a dozen bombs using 1940s-era enrichment methods?


luuuuuuulz
 
JEDIYoda said:
That has always been your response...for how long now??

I think I know quite abit more than you on this subject.......don`t be alarmed when one of 2 things happen...
1)Israel conducts a pre-emtive strike against Iran...or...
2) Iran nukes Israel...
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honestly, I doubt that.

I don't care that you've traveled to the area. I don't care that your people live their. I only know that you have a fundamental belief tied to "us vs them," and your heart immediately biases your thoughts against "the enemy"

You listen only to arguments that fan your hate and strengthen your closed mind.

This has been the inerrant flavor of all of your posts.
 
eskimospy said:
How do you explain all the anti-Zionist Jews then? Zombies?!
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Pretty much. There are always some people who feel the best way to prevent aggression is to become subservient.

JEDIYoda said:
The truth of the matter is that Eagle is 100% right on!
On my last trip to the middle east, namely Israel and several other countries that OI have access too...lol.....
The consensus among the average people in those countries was that if and when Iran gets the bomb they will use it for one of 2 things......to impose their will on other nations in that region and in order to prove they have nuclear capabilities they will use it against Israel.
Don`t start stammering and crying that Iran would never use the bomb against Israel without it affecting Iran or other countries!
The hatred exhibited for Israel people and government even by regular Iranian people is far greater than any worries that Iran might have over the repercussions of a nuclear attack!

Bottom line in not will Israel on its own conduct a preemptive attack...but when will Israel attack....it is a matter of time!
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I'm guessing a third option - Iran gets the bomb and uses it only as a threat, allowing them to continue openly sponsoring terrorism without real risk of becoming the next Iraq for the USA or suffering Israeli attacks on nuclear infrastructure as did Iraq. As far as an Israeli strike, not while Obama is President, and likely not if Hillary follows him. Obama has made little effort to disguise his disgust with Israel, but he's been pretty good to them policy-wise. If Israel attacks Iran while they are abiding by an agreement made by Obama and other nations' leaders, then Obama would have reason to drop this forced tolerance. Indeed, he'd have little choice, and who could blame him? He's trying to make peace, and Israel disrupts it by attacking. That rules out a truly pre-emptive strike before Iran gets the bomb. We could possibly see a strike after Iran announces they have the bomb but before they can use on Israel, but the potential of a missed bomb being used (not exactly an unprovoked or unjustified attack if it's in retaliation to an Israeli attack) makes that unlikely in my opinion. And what would be the moral justification? Surely if Iran were going to use it on Israel, they would have done so before announcing they had it and making themselves a target.

I'll even posit you a fourth option - Iran does not develop a nuclear weapon, but drops just enough hints to Israel to either provoke an attack (giving Iran more justification to develop nuclear weapons) or discourage one in the face of expanded terrorism. Kind of a win-win for Iran.
 
zinfamous said:
huh?

they are going to suddenly produce a dozen bombs using 1940s-era enrichment methods?


luuuuuuulz
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Yet others here that are lets say "pro-Iran", that state they already have the technology and know how.

So the first understanding is:
Do they have the ability to create a bomb?
If not a second:
Is are they attempting to get to that level if not there
else a Third:
Why do they trying for the extra enrichment beyond peaceful power and medical purposes

Iran was hurting due to the sanctions on at least selling the oil and metals.
How much was painful in terms of getting supplies; we do not know.
But they did get levels of relief for both areas; so sanctions did have some impact
With Saddam, he was never open and honest w/ respect to nuclear material. HE played the shell game, even though there may not have been any peas under the shells.

We have now 6 months of being able to look under the shells to see the pea and the size of the pea or if the shells are still going to be moved around.
 
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