Iran, six world powers clinch breakthrough nuclear deal

[Agent11]

If they do develop a bomb I would say it is the most prudent course of action however, before they develop the capability to be more than a regional threat.

 

[fskimospy]

Typical liberalism. Look at eskimpospy nuto's posts.

'its better to do something then nothing'.

like they say, the road to hell is paved in good intentions, and liberals are building highways.


There are multiple problems with this deal.

1) the use admits that Iran has the right to nuke power. Something we denied before
2) Iran gets billions of dollars
3) Irans actions that violated various laws have been legitimized. They now can claim they were doing nothing wrong, and the world is folding to their power

The terms have more holes then swiss cheese.

1) Iran can work on its heavy water nuclear reactor. But only at the plant itself. It can continue building every piece it wants to, just not install them at this moment. Heck it can work on a different plant just not the ones in the agreement.

2) Iran will be inspected - But only at the places Iran will allow inspectors. Its like Hitler telling us we can inspection the concentration camps, but he'll give the tour, and choose the time and place

3)We will review the actions of Iran in 6 month. Because once everything fails Obama will admit he was wrong... and then continue doubling down on it.


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What should be doing,

a) continuing on with the current sanctions
b) cranking the sanctions up.

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Neither option works for a liberal. Because they saw something shinny in Iran, a distraction from Obamacare. And so now no matter what, they will go for it on hope.

This is just babbling nonsense. Speaking of insane posts...

You are in this very post complaining about Iran building nuclear facilities. They are doing this with the current sanctions regime in place. Continuing sanctions just means that they keep building. If your goal is to stop Iran's nuclear program this path is nonsensical.

Then you say 'crank sanctions up'. I specifically asked WHAT sanctions do you want to implement? Do you have any understanding of just how heavily Iran is already sanctioned? What do you want to cut off and how do you expect to do this? Be specific. Also say why you think additional sanctions will work when all the ones up to this point have failed.

You won't be specific because you can't be. You don't have an answer outside of wherever you cut and pasted this response from.

 

[michal1980]

This is just babbling nonsense. Speaking of insane posts...

You are in this very post complaining about Iran building nuclear facilities. They are doing this with the current sanctions regime in place. Continuing sanctions just means that they keep building. If your goal is to stop Iran's nuclear program this path is nonsensical.

Then you say 'crank sanctions up'. I specifically asked WHAT sanctions do you want to implement? Do you have any understanding of just how heavily Iran is already sanctioned? What do you want to cut off and how do you expect to do this? Be specific. Also say why you think additional sanctions will work when all the ones up to this point have failed.

You won't be specific because you can't be. You don't have an answer outside of wherever you cut and pasted this response from.

They are not doing it with current sanctions in place. Are you that stupid, that Iran gave up this token gifts for nothing?

They are getting billions. http://freebeacon.com/reports-u-s-unfreezes-8-billion-in-iranian-assets/

 

[fskimospy]

They are not doing it with current sanctions in place. Are you that stupid, that Iran gave up this token gifts for nothing?

They are getting billions. http://freebeacon.com/reports-u-s-unfreezes-8-billion-in-iranian-assets/

What are you talking about? They were continuing to build their nuclear program even with sanctions in place. Therefore if your goal is to stop their nuclear program continuing our current sanctions is not the answer. This should be obvious.

So your next, improved answer was simply to 'crank up sanctions'. This is easy to say because it allows you to sound tough without actually needing to provide a real answer. Say what sanctions, how you mean for them to be enforced, and why you think this would stop Iran's nuclear program. If you can't, your answer is worthless.

Getting rid of Iran's 20% enriched uranium is great news for us. Preventing them from using a lot of their centrifuges is a big win for us. Etc, etc.

 

[fskimospy]

I do have to say that I find it funny that conservatives are so delusional and so paranoid that they think Obama concluding a major deal that was years in the making and one of the US's top foreign policy objectives was done to distract people from healthcare.gov.

I mean just how stupid and insane does someone have to be to believe that?

 

[Jhhnn]

sounds nearly identical to clintons failed North Korean Deal. Look how that turned out.

Oh, please. The Bush Admin deliberately scotched the deal with N Korea so they'd have another boogeyman. Which is also why they puffed up teh Ebil Ey-ray-nyuns.

Whatever deal emerges is likely the same deal we could have had 10 years ago if we hadn't started in on the Axis Of Evil bullshit.

 

[K1052]

Neither option works for a liberal. Because they saw something shinny in Iran, a distraction from Obamacare. And so now no matter what, they will go for it on hope.

So Obama knew the Obamacare roll out was going to be problematic and secretly engineered a diplomatic effort going back to at least early 2011 and all the circumstances that had to align for it to come to pass?

I wonder if he can give me next weeks lotto numbers. :hmm:

 

[michal1980]

What are you talking about? They were continuing to build their nuclear program even with sanctions in place. Therefore if your goal is to stop their nuclear program continuing our current sanctions is not the answer. This should be obvious.

So your next, improved answer was simply to 'crank up sanctions'. This is easy to say because it allows you to sound tough without actually needing to provide a real answer. Say what sanctions, how you mean for them to be enforced, and why you think this would stop Iran's nuclear program. If you can't, your answer is worthless.

Getting rid of Iran's 20% enriched uranium is great news for us. Preventing them from using a lot of their centrifuges is a big win for us. Etc, etc.

LOL good your stupid is strong.

With or without the agreement Iran was making nuclear material. Without the agreement the USA had the claim that Iran had no right to do so. And they denied them billions in wealth.

Funny how you ignore the fact that you were wrong they got nothing for it.


You make sanctions so hard that either the population turns against the Iran government, or the government folds on its nuclear program.

Instead Iran won, the all might USA folded in front of all those weak innocent poor Iranians.

just listen to what they are saying

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/24/ayatollah-ali-khamenei-claims-victory-for-nuclear-program/


your so called victory of inspections is limited to preapproved areas.

Wow. Why not just put a blindfold on the inspectors at the same time.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Oh, please. The Bush Admin deliberately scotched the deal with N Korea so they'd have another boogeyman. Which is also why they puffed up teh Ebil Ey-ray-nyuns.

Whatever deal emerges is likely the same deal we could have had 10 years ago if we hadn't started in on the Axis Of Evil bullshit.

What leverage was there 10 years ago?

 

[michal1980]

I do have to say that I find it funny that conservatives are so delusional and so paranoid that they think Obama concluding a major deal that was years in the making and one of the US's top foreign policy objectives was done to distract people from healthcare.gov.

I mean just how stupid and insane does someone have to be to believe that?

So Obama knew the Obamacare roll out was going to be problematic and secretly engineered a diplomatic effort going back to at least early 2011 and all the circumstances that had to align for it to come to pass?

I wonder if he can give me next weeks lotto numbers. :hmm:

Where do you guys get this stuff? Years..

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/special-report-great-satan-meets-axis-evil-strikes-002940755.html

Nothing more then a few months..

 

[fskimospy]

LOL good your stupid is strong.

With or without the agreement Iran was making nuclear material. Without the agreement the USA had the claim that Iran had no right to do so. And they denied them billions in wealth.

Funny how you ignore the fact that you were wrong they got nothing for it.


You make sanctions so hard that either the population turns against the Iran government, or the government folds on its nuclear program.

Instead Iran won, the all might USA folded in front of all those weak innocent poor Iranians.

just listen to what they are saying

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/24/ayatollah-ali-khamenei-claims-victory-for-nuclear-program/

lol. Look guy, before calling other people stupid you might want to make sure you have a clue what you're talking about. First, Iran has always had the right to enrich uranium, as outlined in the NPT.

'make sanctions so the populace turns against them or they give up'. That's rich. Again I've noticed that you avoided saying how this is actually to be accomplished. Why? Like I said, you can't because you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Jhhnn]

What leverage was there 10 years ago?

What leverage is there today? Sanctions have had negligible effect on Iran's nuclear program, and have been widely & secretly violated, even by American business. They are largely a Potemkin Village, created for domestic consumption.

 

[fskimospy]

Where do you guys get this stuff? Years..

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/special-report-great-satan-meets-axis-evil-strikes-002940755.html

Nothing more then a few months..

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4fc9e936-55fa-11e3-96f5-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2li0zJxYr

 

[Jhhnn]

You make sanctions so hard that either the population turns against the Iran government, or the government folds on its nuclear program.

Or they elect their own hardliners in response to our own, embrace shared sacrifice for the common good, and forge ahead. Which is exactly what happened.

Your bluster is just standard internet toughguy lameness.

 

[K1052]

Where do you guys get this stuff? Years..

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/special-report-great-satan-meets-axis-evil-strikes-002940755.html

Nothing more then a few months..

The groundwork started being laid in early 2011 by mid level state department officials, meetings facilitated by the Sultan of Oman. The major points of the deal started to take shape earlier this year and it picked up a lot of steam with Rouhani's election.

 

[IGBT]

If they do develop a bomb I would say it is the most prudent course of action however, before they develop the capability to be more than a regional threat.

it's a reckless liberal deal that will result in wide spread nuke weapons throughout the middle east.

 

[rudeguy]

Or they elect their own hardliners in response to our own, embrace shared sacrifice for the common good, and forge ahead. Which is exactly what happened.

Your bluster is just standard internet toughguy lameness.

As much as it hurts me, as much as it makes every inch of me cringe...I agree. Their leaders did not care what the sanctions did to their population and used the hard times to build hatred of America.

I don't think this treaty was the right thing but sanctions were not working. I don't understand why the release of American prisoners wasn't the first line on that treaty and I don't understand why we are giving Iran a single ounce of trust.

Maybe Iran showed some of their cards and we don't know? Maybe we are going in with too open of a mind and its going to bite us in the ass? Time will tell.

 

[Jhhnn]

it's a reckless liberal deal that will result in wide spread nuke weapons throughout the middle east.

And you know the winning numbers for the next Lotto drawing, I'm sure.

 

[michal1980]

And you know the winning numbers for the next Lotto drawing, I'm sure.

Just like you and Obama know that this deal will work.

 

[michal1980]

The groundwork started being laid in early 2011 by mid level state department officials, meetings facilitated by the Sultan of Oman. The major points of the deal started to take shape earlier this year and it picked up a lot of steam with Rouhani's election.

So Obama recently forged ahead, precisely at the same time Obamacare was failing. How convenient.

 

[Jhhnn]

As much as it hurts me, as much as it makes every inch of me cringe...I agree. Their leaders did not care what the sanctions did to their population and used the hard times to build hatred of America.

I don't think this treaty was the right thing but sanctions were not working. I don't understand why the release of American prisoners wasn't the first line on that treaty and I don't understand why we are giving Iran a single ounce of trust.

Maybe Iran showed some of their cards and we don't know? Maybe we are going in with too open of a mind and its going to bite us in the ass? Time will tell.

Maybe Iranian skeptics are saying much the same thing, huh?

It's not like the Bushistas & their Israeli friends haven't used the situation to foster a lot of hatred towards Iran, either.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just like you and Obama know that this deal will work.

I haven't predicted the future as if what I believe is the absolute truth.

 

[Jhhnn]

So Obama recently forged ahead, precisely at the same time Obamacare was failing. How convenient.

Heart & soul, you exemplify right wing conspiracy theorists perfectly, a caricature of reason.

 

[rudeguy]

Maybe Iranian skeptics are saying much the same thing, huh?

It's not like the Bushistas & their Israeli friends haven't used the situation to foster a lot of hatred towards Iran, either.

See...Iran pretty much took care of that with the whole hostage thing. And the yearly celebration of hatred of America? I don't think they needed any help from us.

And Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map how many thousands of times? Israel has the right to be on guard.

Short of bombing the piss out of every single nuclear site in Iran, a treaty was our only option. But this treaty? Without getting our citizens back? And giving them even more money to...to do whatever it is they are going to do?

I'm not sold.

 

[michal1980]

I haven't predicted the future as if what I believe is the absolute truth.

so your saying this treaty is worthless