kylebisme
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I know the facts as well as the US State Department does:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2007/100597.htm
What leads you to deny these simple facts?
I know the facts as well as the US State Department does:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2007/100597.htm
What leads you to deny these simple facts?
JohnOfSheffield
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I don't think you even read what you quoted that i wrote, if you did, you'll need to read it again because you obviously didn't understand it and i seriously don't give a shit what .state.gov says, i'm not American
JohnOfSheffield
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kylebisme
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You claimed I was lying for referring to the same facts the US State Department does right in what I quoted, and then went on to argue otherwise.
Since you insist on calling me along with the US State Department liars, I am curious to see what source you think you are getting the truth from.
He probably knows Putin is Prime Minister of Russia.
ericlp
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Well, for one...
Israel won't do shit, with out the backing of the USA. We supply the tech/weapons and if they do with out our blessings then we may stop backing them and let them fight their own war for a change.
Next, If we let Israel bomb Iran. Nukes will not be an option if they did nuke Iran, Israel would go down hill rapidly.
I could care less what happens tho, I think it would be really interesting if Israel bombed them. I'm thinking that other countries might start fighting with Iran ... I think it would open up some new doors.
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I hope you know how Jerusalem was before Israel captured it.
the western wall I presume is what you are speaking of? maybe the mosque there?
the western was had piss and shit all over it when Israel got it. think they care about jerusalem?
Syria doesn't have S-300
Israel attacked because the area showed "no defenses".
Israeli's F-16s cannot go into Iran without refueling over Iraq. U.S told Israel NO
Lemon law
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To add to wait Aimster said, F-16 can't carry the kind of heavy bunker busting bombs it would take to even dent deeply buried facilities. Its even doubtful the US's biggest convention explosive bunker busters could do the job. And with many sites to take out, its well beyond Israeli capacity.
Not to mention the fact it would be an Israeli act of war that would get Israel world wide condemnation.
Not to mention the fact it would be an Israeli act of war that would get Israel world wide condemnation.
Lemon law
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GWB&co really screwed Israel by being the little boys who cried wolf in Iraq. And unless Obama can reverse the trend, no one in the Mid-east looks at the US as a diplomacy partner any more.
And being Persians and Shia, Iran is somewhat odd man out in the Arab dominated Mid-east. And Iran's future may indeed lie, not in the mid-east, but in a pipeline to carry natural gas further East into India via Afghanistan and Pakistan. Meaning Iran is more a natural partner of the USA, because Iran has very high stakes in seeing a stable, prosperous, and terrorism free Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. And with the economic development money such a pipeline would entail, it could be the best way to solve the Afghan quagmire.
And being Persians and Shia, Iran is somewhat odd man out in the Arab dominated Mid-east. And Iran's future may indeed lie, not in the mid-east, but in a pipeline to carry natural gas further East into India via Afghanistan and Pakistan. Meaning Iran is more a natural partner of the USA, because Iran has very high stakes in seeing a stable, prosperous, and terrorism free Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. And with the economic development money such a pipeline would entail, it could be the best way to solve the Afghan quagmire.
K1052
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I wonder if it might be possible for Israel refit their Jericho III missiles to deliver the GBU-28s we sold them. They are GPS guided so all the missile's nav system has to do is get them in the neighborhood above the target.
It would sure be an expensive strike option but possibly their only viable one.
It would sure be an expensive strike option but possibly their only viable one.
TastesLikeChicken
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:roll:
We had a discussion not long ago where you yourself brought up the Annapolis conference. There's also been ongoing diplomatic attempts with NK for years now. So why you choose to ignore those diplomatic efforts to spew unsubstantiated baloney around this forum truly makes no sense whatsoever.
So long as Iran continues to fund militant groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, and crazies like Sadr in Iraq there will be no diplomacy and no partnering with them, even under Obama. I know it's difficult for you to place fault on anyone else in the world but GWB, but diplomacy is actually a two-way street. Iran has plenty of faults of their own and you turning a blind eye to those faults doesn't make them disappear.
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Ask why they are holding the Palestinians under military force.
Because the Palestinians have chosen to act as enemies of Israel multiple times.
The Palestinian leadership had declared war against Israel even while under Israel protection.
Fatah under Arafat
Hezbollah
Hamas
The West Bank is spoils of war. Until there is a treaty that will be honored, the territory is Israel's to do what they please.
When Israel cedes if to the Palestinians, then the settlements will stop.
kylebisme
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To steal their homeland from them.
There is a difference between the few Palestinians have chosen to act as enemies and the millions who haven't that is obvious to anyone who isn't a racist bastard.
Lets go back futher to Israel leadership who decalred war against Palestine:
Lehi
Irgun
Haganah
Menachem Begin
Yitzhak Shamir
And the millions of people there Israel holds under overwhelming military force while slowly colonizing across the land?
And the International community and the international court of Justice who all nearly unanimously say Israel has no right to that land?
You point the finger at terrorists for their evils, but the inhuman and lawless conquest you back far more evil than that.
Lemon law
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As usual, TLC ignores the fact that the USA has some faults of their own, but at least TLC realizes diplomacy is a two way street. And if Cheney hadn't slammed the door shut on Iranian moderates, we would not have had a Achmadeinejad rising to power.
And while TLC moans and groans about Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al-Sadr, he ignores the fact that all three have a social wing components that makes up for needs the USA and Israel can't meet nor wants to meet.
And the other TLC fantasy is that the USA can somehow dictate its policies with military intervention, which has led to eight years of total failure and the greatest loss of American world influence in American history. And a good part of why the American economy is failing.
I somehow fail to understand why TLC should mention diplomacy, when he seeming does not what the word means. Usually diplomacy involves finding common interests and building something from there, and does not involve finding faults in others and then seeking to demonize them.
Right now, Iran is just the tip of the iceberg, some 40 other nations are petitioning the IAEA to start their own peaceful nuclear programs, a right every nation has under international law.
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It is easy for the Palestinians to stop the cycle.
Refuse to tolerate leadership that wants to attack Israel.
They chose leadership that did not want peace.
Let them choose leadership that wants peace.
The West Bank would not be in this situation had the Arab nations and the Palestinians not kept attacking Israel.
Apparently they Palestinians still have not learned that lesson.
Once they do, then they will be better off.
kylebisme
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Israel has been steal Palestinians homeland from them for a lot longer than 30 years, with bullshit arguments to vindicate it like the ones you continue to spew. Again, you point the finger at terrorists for their evils, but the inhuman and lawless conquest you back far more evil than that.
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Once the Palestinians awaken to the fact tat the terrorists are holding them back, then the PAlestinians can move forward.
Support of the terrorists makes their life worse.
TastesLikeChicken
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Let's see. I exposed your bullshit line about US diplomacy and all you can do is misrepresent my statements, and then proceed to ramble on in your usual bumbling, stumbling fashion about tangentially affiliated subjects?
Do you even realize how absolutely ignorant all the poop that comes from your typing even is? You can't possibly be aware of it because any person with half a brain would stop once they realized it. Not you though. You're like the Eveready bunny of ignorance. You just keep going, and going, and going...
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this is your entire arguement. that is it!
Israel has offered 95% of the original land + land in the negev to equal the 5%. on a different occasion 98% of the land back.
The Palestinians said no. they dont want the land, they want the destruction of israel.
dont deny a FACT of history because it makes your POV look bad. secondly, if your next argument is that israel kicked them all out in 1948, well history speaks for itself. Israel was a Jewish state for over 2000 years before 1948, secondly, the Jews bought land that was complete crap, such as swamps, just to live in Israel, and even that, the arab villages attacked the jews settling in. when 1948 came and Israel had to go to war, they just left, because they thought they will get their homes back. most of them never saw a jewish soldier. they just left.. period.
stop denying this information and all the insulting you are attempting, because any person who looks are history will tell you that groups like hamas, hezbollah, and any other terrorist organization or supplier does not want a small piece of land, no do they want the palestinian people, and they certainly dont want the jewish people.
you make it sound like the entire arab world, which teach hate to their children, use their own family as human shields, call for "wiping Israel off the face of the map," among a hell load more as an equal to a small piece of land.
if those countries love their own people so much, how come egypt for instance didnt let the gaza people and from what I believe even fired at the gaza people to not pass the border.
this is fact, dont deny it.
Lemon law
Lifer
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The freshgeadude illusion is "The Palestinians said no. they dont want the land, they want the destruction of israel."
Wrong, the Palestinian people rejected the original offer because they wanted back the land Israel originally stole from them, which is better stated as the right to return that still drives the conflict.
And Israel is now somewhat now saying, see we have now stolen more and less worthwhile land, and we will let you have a little bit of that, as Israel keep pushing them into ever more worthless land. Its sorta like Israel stealing your expensive roll ex watch and then offering to reimburse you with a cheap timex watch they stole from someone else.
When in fact Israel has no claim to the land it annexed in the 1967 war, none, nada, zippo, zip. And not even a remotely valid claim to 100% of the land in the original 1948 borders.
Wrong, the Palestinian people rejected the original offer because they wanted back the land Israel originally stole from them, which is better stated as the right to return that still drives the conflict.
And Israel is now somewhat now saying, see we have now stolen more and less worthwhile land, and we will let you have a little bit of that, as Israel keep pushing them into ever more worthless land. Its sorta like Israel stealing your expensive roll ex watch and then offering to reimburse you with a cheap timex watch they stole from someone else.
When in fact Israel has no claim to the land it annexed in the 1967 war, none, nada, zippo, zip. And not even a remotely valid claim to 100% of the land in the original 1948 borders.
arafat couldnt accept that fake "give the land back bill" , all of palestine's borders would have been surrounded by israel. IsraHell would have also controlled the roads and water ways of the palestinian people.
kylebisme
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Exactly, all Israel has ever offered Palestinians is limited autonomy under Israeli rule, and of course they are never going to agree to ceding their rights under international law, regardless of how many bodies Israel insists on stacking in their path as they continue to denying the human rights of millions of people while robbing them of their homeland.
Even if Arafat was so corrupt as to accept such a state of subjugation for Palestine under Israel, he would have been assassinated for doing so, and the agreement wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.
Even if Arafat was so corrupt as to accept such a state of subjugation for Palestine under Israel, he would have been assassinated for doing so, and the agreement wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.
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