Right those "terrorist" are enforcing a blockade, preventing freedom of movement, bombing hospitals and prisons, preventing trade, stealing more land. So I guess you're right get ride of the "terrorist" and life for the Palestinians would improve.
Quick question after israel bombed the crap out of Gaze who has done more to restore order and provide aid to the area Israel or Hamas?
SandEagle
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offered 95% back? cmon man, you gotta do better than that. Settlements have expanded faster in 2008 than the year before. why is that?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl...7340,L-3663205,00.html
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What happens next is not hard to read in the tea leaves, sooner or later according to our own NIE, less than five years likely, Stateless terrorists will get a hold of Chemical and biological weapons, and will use rockets to peg it into Israel . And a very unpleasant bloodbath for all sides is likely to follow.
Its certainly not what I am advocating, I hope it does not happen, but if policies do not change, its all too likely to happen.
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I think Israel could expend all of its nukes on every major Middle East city, and there would still be enough Muslims living out in the desert, now reallllly mad, who would just storm Israel and overrun it. Nukes aren't as powerful as they are popularly perceived.
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A modern nuke would decimate a large chunk of Israel and heavily irritate the rest along leaving nothing worth being overrun. At that point, Israeli nuclear armed subs would launch many nukes at whatever nations are deemed responsible, decimating many large chunks of those nations and heavily irritating the entire region. Hence, while popular opinion suggests Israel is under an ever present threat of annihilation, they have the deterrence capabilities which make the scenario exceedingly unlikely.
The "world" will tolerate it just like they did when Israel took out the Iraqi reactor. Dildos in suits will gather at a table, pass a resolution condemning Israel, and, in the long run, the world will be thankful as it was after the Iraqi reactor was taken out.
The US has denied Israel bunker busters missiles so this is what I think will happen: Israel will use small tactical nukes on the Iranian facilities and then claim they used conventional weapons and that the nuclear explosion was just a secondary explosion.
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I see kursk really separates the totally delusional, namely himself, from the merely partisan.
If Israel uses tactical nukes against Iranian sites the evidence will be undeniable.
What Iran now has is totally low grade non fissionable nuclear material that will be isolated as its buried. The Israel fiction will not last more than a few days as fact finding commissions from all nations will unanimously agree.
Meanwhile Iran is following IAEA rules, so it would be a totally unjustifiable act of war, igniting a world fire storm of Israeli condemnation that Israel would not be able to withstand.
The same UN that created Israel would, could , and should uncreate it.
The first nation to use a nuke since 1945, ARE YOU NUTS?
I'm just speculating. Israel won't allow Iran to enrich weapon grade fissile material. Just wait and see.
You would think that someone who keeps claiming that his country simply want nuclear energy would want it to appear so. However, having all of his top military brass present during photo shoots of Iran's new gas centrifuges is Ahmedenijhad's way of talking out of both sides of his mouth and giving the world the finger.
theeedude
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Fear of impending doom is a great motivator. Right now Israel has few reasons to want peace, since under status quo, it can continue taking Palestinian land, and maybe face an occasional bombing or rocket attack, but nothing really to deter it from proceeding with its current course. A nuclear threat may be just what the doctor ordered.
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One does not push Israel into a corner.
Iraq - 1981
Syria - 2008
If Israel can provided evidence of nuclear capability in Iran and given the threats that Iran's leadership seem to make against Israel; Israel will somehow obtain bunker busters vs having to use low yield nukes.
K1052
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We sold Israel 100 5,000lb bunker busters a few years ago. The big problem for them is the practical considerations of delivering them to their targets inside Iran. Though given Israeli ingenuity when it comes to all things military I wouldn't put it past them finding a way.
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Israel took the F15D model and created the air/ground version that became the proving ground for the Strike eagle.
The F15I models that they have have been modified for their needs and can carry the ordance.
The F16s that they have can act as CAP.
Refueling is the issue - either bladders are preplaced or they setup Air to Air refueling staging like we did against Libya.
The F15I models that they have have been modified for their needs and can carry the ordance.
The F16s that they have can act as CAP.
Refueling is the issue - either bladders are preplaced or they setup Air to Air refueling staging like we did against Libya.
Remarkable how people argue in circles, thinking it makes sense.
In the current state of affairs, with IAEA inspectors onsite at Iranian nuclear facilities, the only way that the Iranians could possibly create nukes would be using entirely separate and secret facilities. If that were to happen, then bombing their known facilities would be entirely pointless, simply because it wouldn't destroy their weapons making capabilities, at all.
Not that the usual ravers care to address that issue in the slightest.
Another point not addressed is that Israeli bombing of Iran would require huge US complicity, plain and simple. We need to remember that the positive developments in Iraq are due, in no small part, to Iranian restraint, even cooperation, wrt US efforts in that arena, and that they've also avoided involvement in the Afghan conflict on their other border. All such restraint would evaporate if we allow our client state, Israel, to attack them. It would put huge public pressure on the govts of Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, KSA and Pakistan to denounce their cozy relationships with Washington, as well.
Even the Bush Admin wasn't stupid enough to allow that to happen, although they flirted with the idea. Thinking that the Obama Admin would do so is basically delusional, a product of entirely too much time spent in the rightwing echo chamber.
In the current state of affairs, with IAEA inspectors onsite at Iranian nuclear facilities, the only way that the Iranians could possibly create nukes would be using entirely separate and secret facilities. If that were to happen, then bombing their known facilities would be entirely pointless, simply because it wouldn't destroy their weapons making capabilities, at all.
Not that the usual ravers care to address that issue in the slightest.
Another point not addressed is that Israeli bombing of Iran would require huge US complicity, plain and simple. We need to remember that the positive developments in Iraq are due, in no small part, to Iranian restraint, even cooperation, wrt US efforts in that arena, and that they've also avoided involvement in the Afghan conflict on their other border. All such restraint would evaporate if we allow our client state, Israel, to attack them. It would put huge public pressure on the govts of Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, KSA and Pakistan to denounce their cozy relationships with Washington, as well.
Even the Bush Admin wasn't stupid enough to allow that to happen, although they flirted with the idea. Thinking that the Obama Admin would do so is basically delusional, a product of entirely too much time spent in the rightwing echo chamber.
We sold Israel 1000 GBU-39s. It's a 250lb bomb, not 5000. It also cant penetrate deep enough to hit Irans hardended underground facilities. It may cause some trouble, maybe collapse some tunnels, but unless they launch a crapload of them into the same spot, they arent getting deep enough.
theeedude
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