Invasion repelled.

[Jhhnn]

First, dont pot words in my mouth. I know its your MO, but please. I never called it as an invasion. Nor implied it. In one of busiest crossing points, they can only process 100 applications per day due to workload. Whats your solution? Just open the gates and let them all and pinky swear theyll file their paperwork? How about you try putting your bleeding heart away and live in a border state like I do and see for yourself how dangerous illegals crossing are. We have zero moral responsibility for those who dont follow our laws of entry.

And being a humanitarian crisis has nothing to with it. Mexico has already offered food, shelter, and jobs. Most refused. These migrats arent in it for a better life, theyre in it to get into the US by any means necessary. Im fine with that, just follow the fucking law.

It's not the workload. It's the insistence that all applicants be detained. No effort has been made to increase the capacity to do so nor any funds sought. Not to my knowledge, anyway.

When the choice is Fuck them & fuck Mexico or take a chance on letting some of them escape into the wild in this country I figure the answer is obvious. I mean, wtf do you think they're here for other than to get a job & go to work to be part of making America great?

 

[ivwshane]

I said that people are kept out until they are approved. He was the one that brought up asylum as a way to disprove that you keep them out until approved. The quibble is with him, not me.

And you'd be wrong, they are not kept out until they are approved because they are already here at a port of entry. They can be denied EXCEPT if they can show a credible fear of persecution, which is most likely the reason for these people traveling by foot thousands of miles.

 

[Jhhnn]

For sure Trump wants less immigration. I think that is wrong to do and only hurts us. I will not try and defend something I disagree with.

But, that does not change keeping people out until they are approved to enter. If you want to shift to talking about a different issue such as increasing the number that are let in, then lets do it. Just don't pretend that its somehow wrong to keep people out until they are approved.

It is wrong. Trump denies them the right to even apply.

 

[sportage]

E-Verify, E-Verify, E-Verify.
THAT is what will stop the immigration to those American jobs.
Current E-verify laws are a joke.
No one is forced to follow it and no consequences what-so-ever if found breaking it.
And a note to republican farmers, small business owners, AND republican households,
STOP HIRING ILLEGALS for cheap labor on your farms, in your small businesses, and in YOUR HOMES.
That republican farmer in iOwa who's employee, an illegal, killed that woman, that farmer simply claimed OH MY... I DIDN'T KNOW THE GUY I HIRED WAS ILLEGAL...
BULL SHET fella.
You knew.
You hired him.
You hire them.
You wanted that cheap labor for your farm.
If republicans really want to get serious stopping illegal immigration, that republican iOwa farmer needs to be investigated by the FBI to determine not only how it was that he was able to find and hire illegals, but how and why after being caught doing exactly that, this republican Iowa farmer WAS NOT punished.
Everyone just took his word that he didn't know.
THAT is how we need to fight and stop illegal immigration.
Not walls. Not angry speeches by Donald Trump. Not a bunch of bull from republicans business owners. Those republicans that are the very people hiring these illegals every day....

 

[blackangst1]

It's not the workload. It's the insistence that all applicants be detained. No effort has been made to increase the capacity to do so nor any funds sought. Not to my knowledge, anyway.

LOL San Ysidro is one of the busiest border crossings on the planet. Its workload, stupid.

Oh, and source for bolded?

When the choice is Fuck them & fuck Mexico or take a chance on letting some of them escape into the wild in this country I figure the answer is obvious. I mean, wtf do you think they're here for other than to get a job & go to work to be part of making America great?

When youre told those are the only two choices (which apparently you are, and like a sheep, believe) then yeah. Youre right.

Unfortunately, youre not. Youre just spouting talking points.

 

[blackangst1]

E-Verify, E-Verify, E-Verify.
THAT is what will stop the immigration to those American jobs.
Current E-verify laws are a joke.
No one is forced to follow it and no consequences what-so-ever if found breaking it.
And a note to republican farmers, small business owners, AND republican households,
STOP HIRING ILLEGALS for cheap labor on your farms, in your small businesses, and in YOUR HOMES.
That republican farmer in iOwa who's employee, an illegal, who killed that woman, that farmer simply claimed OH MY... I DIDN'T KNOW THE GUY I HIRED WAS ILLEGAL...
BULL SHET fella.
You knew.
You hired him.
You hire them.
You wanted that cheap labor for your farm.
If republicans really want to get serious stopping illegal immigration, that republican iOwa farmer needs to be investigated by the FBI to determine not only how it was that he was able to find and hire illegals, but how and why after being caught doing exactly that, this republican Iowa farmer WAS NOT punished.
Everyone just took his word that he didn't know.
THAT is how we need to fight and stop illegal immigration.
Not walls. Not angry speeches by Donald Trump. Not a bunch of bull from republicans business owners. Those republicans that are the very people hiring these illegals every day....

+1.

 

[blackangst1]

It is wrong. Trump denies them the right to even apply.

source?

 

[blackangst1]

And you'd be wrong, they are not kept out until they are approved because they are already here at a port of entry. They can be denied EXCEPT if they can show a credible fear of persecution, which is most likely the reason for these people traveling by foot thousands of miles.

Yep

An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

Race.
Religion.
Nationality.
Membership in a particular social group (Most LGBTQ individuals who apply for asylum qualify under this category)
Political opinion.

 

[realibrad]

And you'd be wrong, they are not kept out until they are approved because they are already here at a port of entry. They can be denied EXCEPT if they can show a credible fear of persecution, which is most likely the reason for these people traveling by foot thousands of miles.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/refugees

"You must receive a referral to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for consideration as a refugee. For more information on the referral criteria, see the USRAP Consultations and Worldwide Processing Priorities page.

If you receive a referral, you will receive help filling out your application and then be interviewed abroad by a USCIS officer who will determine whether you are eligible for refugee resettlement. For more information about eligibility, see our Refugee Eligibility Determination page."

If they are already on US soil, that is different. They must process the claims, but, that does not mean they must be granted either. There are rules for what you can deny them for, but, I know of no such rule that you have to let a refugee into your country while you are processing the request. Can you cite that?

 

[realibrad]

source?

He is unable to explain himself. The US was going to let in 110,000 refugees under USRAP in 2017, and Trump cut that number by half. So he is actually limiting how many refugees the US is taking in. Its not that they are not allowed to apply, its that the number approved has been cut.

 

[ivwshane]

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/refugees

"You must receive a referral to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for consideration as a refugee. For more information on the referral criteria, see the USRAP Consultations and Worldwide Processing Priorities page.

If you receive a referral, you will receive help filling out your application and then be interviewed abroad by a USCIS officer who will determine whether you are eligible for refugee resettlement. For more information about eligibility, see our Refugee Eligibility Determination page."

If they are already on US soil, that is different. They must process the claims, but, that does not mean they must be granted either. There are rules for what you can deny them for, but, I know of no such rule that you have to let a refugee into your country while you are processing the request. Can you cite that?

I guess you are gonna dig in on this. Look up the words, "detention facility" and see if you can figure out how it applies to assylum seekers. Then when you figure it out you can apologize to everyone in this thread for derailing it because you didn't bother looking up basic information and refused information provided to you that explains why you were wrong.

 

[realibrad]

I guess you are gonna dig in on this. Look up the words, "detention facility" and see if you can figure out how it applies to assylum seekers. Then when you figure it out you can apologize to everyone in this thread for derailing it because you didn't bother looking up basic information and refused information provided to you that explains why you were wrong.

Those are only for people that have tried to enter illegally. They are not for everyone that applies for refugee status. You first have to have broken the law. So how is it wrong to say that if you seek refugee status you are kept out until you are approved and processed?

 

[ivwshane]

Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between applying for refugee status vs applying for asylum.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL San Ysidro is one of the busiest border crossings on the planet. Its workload, stupid.

Oh, and source for bolded?



When youre told those are the only two choices (which apparently you are, and like a sheep, believe) then yeah. Youre right.

Unfortunately, youre not. Youre just spouting talking points.

If those aren't the only choices, what else is there?

None of the articles linked in this thread claim it's workload. At least one puts it in terms of the number of applicants who can be detained.

source?

What part of not letting them onto American soil to apply do you fail to understand? There is a customs zone on US soil between the actual border & & the checkpoint. Once people enter that zone, they have the right to apply for asylum. Trump pushed the checkpoint out to the actual border so they can't do that.

 

[Jhhnn]

Those are only for people that have tried to enter illegally. They are not for everyone that applies for refugee status. You first have to have broken the law. So how is it wrong to say that if you seek refugee status you are kept out until you are approved and processed?

The people in the caravan are applying for asylum, not refugee status. There is a difference.

 

[HomerJS]

Yep

An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

Race.
Religion.
Nationality.
Membership in a particular social group (Most LGBTQ individuals who apply for asylum qualify under this category)
Political opinion.

Being forced to join a gang under fear of death may be cause to invoke #4 since people are not given a choice.

Also Trump did close San Ysidro which is a point of entry so that can be interpreted as blocking legal attempt of applying for asylum. Because of increased demand points of entry should have been staffed up so requests could be processed in a reasonable time frame. That would be called obeying the spirit of the law as well.

 

[Viper1j]

Why do these people think they have the right to enter our country? “Refugee” status aside, the USA has every right...and the responsibility to its citizens, to carefully choose who it lets in.
What do these people bring to the USA that will be beneficial?

Immigration is good...but the immigrants should be carefully vetted and allowed in, ONLY if they’re good people who will improvemthe country as a whole, not uneducated, unskilled people who will demand the citizens support them via welfare and other social service programs.

Remember this?

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Maybe it's time to send the bitch back to the French.

Perhaps this country is no longer worthy of her.

 

[ivwshane]

Being forced to join a gang under fear of death may be cause to invoke #4 since people are not given a choice.

Also Trump did close San Ysidro which is a point of entry so that can be interpreted as blocking legal attempt of applying for asylum. Because of increased demand points of entry should have been staffed up so requests could be processed in a reasonable time frame. That would be called obeying the spirit of the law as well.

You have to remember that a lot of people on the right believe that doing everything except repealing the law means they are obeying the law. They have no problem claiming they are for woman's health care rights while passing laws, that in spirit, all but remove access to women's health care services and they have no problem allowing people to apply for asylum and refugee status even though the trump admin is doing all they can to make applying all but impossible or pointless.

 

[ivwshane]

Remember this?

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Maybe it's time to send the bitch back to the French.

Perhaps this country is no longer worthy of her.

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That probably explains why the right doesn't like the French. They don't like the French rubbing real American exceptionalism in their face.

 

[Viper1j]

Donny wants "merit based immigration".. The only "merit" this little bitch had, was between her legs..



Mary, if only you had swallowed that one load..

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Sometimes I wonder why we argue so much about which type of bandaid to use on a spinal injury and not enough time trying to deal with the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is that many of these people live in the midst of extreme danger and poverty and government corruption. Is the solution to poverty and violence in Guatemala allowing a few hundred or a few thousand or a few million of them to come to America? And then spend money on providing them social services? And exploit them by using them for cheap labor? Or to turn them away and say "fix your own shit"? I don't think any of those addresses the real problems.

What is at the root of the violence and corruption? I think both are rooted in the U.S. war on drugs. It has created violent and wealthy drug cartels in central/south America who manufacture and transport drugs to the massive U.S. black market. These cartels are so wealthy they can buy politicians and even elections. They are fully supportive of the U.S. war on drugs because it creates a lucrative drug trade. Ending the war could vastly improve conditions in those countries to the point where people don't feel the need to seek asylum in the U.S.

Hell, we could even send them aid for their own social programs equal to the amount we would have spent on refugees through social services, processing, court cases, etc... We net break even financially, but we make their home a better place to live.

Or we could just bicker about caravans. I don't know.

 

[ivwshane]

Sometimes I wonder why we argue so much about which type of bandaid to use on a spinal injury and not enough time trying to deal with the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is that many of these people live in the midst of extreme danger and poverty and government corruption. Is the solution to poverty and violence in Guatemala allowing a few hundred or a few thousand or a few million of them to come to America? And then spend money on providing them social services? And exploit them by using them for cheap labor? Or to turn them away and say "fix your own shit"? I don't think any of those addresses the real problems.

What is at the root of the violence and corruption? I think both are rooted in the U.S. war on drugs. It has created violent and wealthy drug cartels in central/south America who manufacture and transport drugs to the massive U.S. black market. These cartels are so wealthy they can buy politicians and even elections. They are fully supportive of the U.S. war on drugs because it creates a lucrative drug trade. Ending the war could vastly improve conditions in those countries to the point where people don't feel the need to seek asylum in the U.S.

Hell, we could even send them aid for their own social programs equal to the amount we would have spent on refugees through social services, processing, court cases, etc... We net break even financially, but we make their home a better place to live.

Or we could just bicker about caravans. I don't know.

You could do all of the above. If we had a semi competent president, he'd put forth immigration reform and discuss the issues facing these other countries with regional leaders to figure out what can be done. Sometimes the leaders of the troubled countries can't be reasoned with or are too corrupt to be helped. In that case it is our duty and the law to help those that are seeking help from us.

Personally, I'd rather have any I'm migrant willing to travel by foot thousands of miles to get here rather than a native citizen who doesn't appreciate how this country was built and what makes it so great. Luckily we don't need to kick out native citizens in order to accommodate migrants who are willing to die to come here.

 

[blackangst1]

If those aren't the only choices, what else is there?

None of the articles linked in this thread claim it's workload. At least one puts it in terms of the number of applicants who can be detained.



What part of not letting them onto American soil to apply do you fail to understand? There is a customs zone on US soil between the actual border & & the checkpoint. Once people enter that zone, they have the right to apply for asylum. Trump pushed the checkpoint out to the actual border so they can't do that.

Lol you obviously have never crossed the border. Your claim is pulled out of your ass. No such zone exists. At least at the Nogales or Tiajuana entry.

 

[blackangst1]

Being forced to join a gang under fear of death may be cause to invoke #4 since people are not given a choice.

Also Trump did close San Ysidro which is a point of entry so that can be interpreted as blocking legal attempt of applying for asylum. Because of increased demand points of entry should have been staffed up so requests could be processed in a reasonable time frame. That would be called obeying the spirit of the law as well.

And how many have been forced to join a gang? Got a source?

And San Ysidro was closed for 5 hours lol

 

[blackangst1]

Remember this?

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Maybe it's time to send the bitch back to the French.

Perhaps this country is no longer worthy of her.

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I guess then the 14th amendment and The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 are bullshit?

 

[blackangst1]

You have to remember that a lot of people on the right believe that doing everything except repealing the law means they are obeying the law. They have no problem claiming they are for woman's health care rights while passing laws, that in spirit, all but remove access to women's health care services and they have no problem allowing people to apply for asylum and refugee status even though the trump admin is doing all they can to make applying all but impossible or pointless.

In regards to applying for asylum what law has been passed in Trump's term?