Invasion repelled.

[blackangst1]

If you can stop your sense of outrage from overriding your reading comprehension you'll see that you are raising the same issue I was.
EVERYONE, including media generally unsympathetic to the migrants, is using that picture. I scalped it from Fox.

I get it. Was just pointing out the other side.

And I dont think most people are unsympathetic, its just we want it done legally. If all these migrants intentions were truly to escape the violence in their home countries, why did so few take the offers Mexico gave. No, their intention was to escape their country AND get into America by any means necessary. Legally claiming amnesty has a process, and most are not following it as evidenced by Tijuana and a few other border towns. Being in Arizona myself, we get ALOT of news from the Customs and Enforcement, as well as many interviews from border guards themselves. Theres a reason they used tear gas on Sunday. It was a violent mob.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hey look I can cherry pick photos too! Im sure these are the finest people....

Poor border guard. Im sure the person that did this was waiting their turn for asylum paperwork

Im sure these poeple also. I mean, this is a valid entrypoint to process for asylum, right?

And Im sure these people throwing rocks werent aiming aqt the border patrol. Surely they were killing time waiting legal entry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYatU_kHqeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYatU_kHqeo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEd65KobJIo

It's what happens when processing of asylum seekers is deliberately slowed to a crawl.

I suspect it wouldn't be tough to hire people to throw rocks at border guards in Tijuana, either. It's a golden opportunity to use agent provocateurs.

 

[BUTCH1]

There you guys go, right on cue. Create racism where there is none, it is all you do anymore. This is a group of foreign people trying to force their way into our country unvetted. This has nothing to do with skin color, but you racists create racism, keeps the plantation thriving.

Is this an issue?, yes, it is, i'm not happy with the rock throwing at US boarder agents and thought the tear gas a reasonable response. Calling it an "invasion" is laughable however, that terminology is used for an invasion by a military force, not illegal immigrants.

 

[blackangst1]

It's what happens when processing of asylum seekers is deliberately slowed to a crawl.

I suspect it wouldn't be tough to hire people to throw rocks at border guards in Tijuana, either. It's a golden opportunity to use agent provocateurs.

You mean like how as the number of people at DMV increases, wait times slow to a crawl?

Jesus youre dense.

 

[blackangst1]

Is this an issue?, yes, it is, i'm not happy with the rock throwing at US boarder agents and thought the tear gas a reasonable response. Calling it an "invasion" is laughable however, that terminology is used for an invasion by a military force, not illegal immigrants.

Are you happy so many of these immigrants are trying to enter illegally? Because thats the issue. Follow the laws and you dont get gassed. Pretty simple, really.

 

[Jhhnn]

You mean like how as the number of people at DMV increases, wait times slow to a crawl?

Jesus youre dense.

It's the insistence by the Trump admin that all applicants be detained. Has Trump asked for funding to house the influx while their claims are processed? No. Has he asked for more personnel to process all this? No. Make it Mexico's problem. Fuck 'em all.

Oh, and spend a fortune sending troops to the border to keep his base nicely frothed up. I suspect those funds could go a long way actually dealing with the migrants, one way or another. Just a hunch.

 

[Amused]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I give you the nativist riots of 1844 protesting the "Irish invasion" and fueled by anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bigotry/racism.

https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/archive/nativist-riots-of-1844/

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[realibrad]

It's the insistence by the Trump admin that all applicants be detained. Has Trump asked for funding to house the influx while their claims are processed? No. Has he asked for more personnel to process all this? No. Make it Mexico's problem. Fuck 'em all.

Oh, and spend a fortune sending troops to the border to keep his base nicely frothed up. I suspect those funds could go a long way actually dealing with the migrants, one way or another. Just a hunch.

The people at the border are being prevented from entering. When they try to enter illegally they are prevented from doing so. This is nothing new. I do not know of a policy that was to let them in, and then let them file. It was always that they file before.

 

[Jhhnn]

The people at the border are being prevented from entering. When they try to enter illegally they are prevented from doing so. This is nothing new. I do not know of a policy that was to let them in, and then let them file. It was always that they file before.

When they try to enter legally they are prevented from doing so, other than in dribs & drabs. They only take enough applications to keep their detention facilities topped off. Somebody has to be deported or accepted to take the next one in. That's the policy decision that's been made.

In Texas, border guards have been pushed out to the middle of the bridges to prevent migrants from being on American soil to apply. It's catch-22. I'm sure it's the same all along the border.

 

[blackangst1]

It's the insistence by the Trump admin that all applicants be detained. Has Trump asked for funding to house the influx while their claims are processed? No. Has he asked for more personnel to process all this? No. Make it Mexico's problem. Fuck 'em all.

Oh, and spend a fortune sending troops to the border to keep his base nicely frothed up. I suspect those funds could go a long way actually dealing with the migrants, one way or another. Just a hunch.

You know this deal was made in tandem with Mexico...right? And you know this isnt ratified yet. Right? Talking about frothy!

 

[blackangst1]

When they try to enter legally they are prevented from doing so, other than in dribs & drabs. They only take enough applications to keep their detention facilities topped off. Somebody has to be deported or accepted to take the next one in. That's the policy decision that's been made.

In Texas, border guards have been pushed out to the middle of the bridges to prevent migrants from being on American soil to apply. It's catch-22. I'm sure it's the same all along the border.

Have you seen video footage of how many are attempting to cross illegally?

 

[Jhhnn]

Have you seen video footage of how many are attempting to cross illegally?

The crowd size in Mexico doesn't really matter. The number of people who actually scaled the barricades & came down on our side is what matters. How many people was that?

You know this deal was made in tandem with Mexico...right? And you know this isnt ratified yet. Right? Talking about frothy!

What deal do you speak of? The one Mexico said they won't accept, or the one Donald says they already did?

https://www.google.com/search?q=mexico+denies+migrant+deal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

 

[realibrad]

When they try to enter legally they are prevented from doing so, other than in dribs & drabs. They only take enough applications to keep their detention facilities topped off. Somebody has to be deported or accepted to take the next one in. That's the policy decision that's been made.

In Texas, border guards have been pushed out to the middle of the bridges to prevent migrants from being on American soil to apply. It's catch-22. I'm sure it's the same all along the border.

Yes, because like I said, you have to keep people out until they are processed. The alternative is to let in everyone and then try to process them. That would be stupid jhhnn. All you are arguing about is that you think it should be shorter than it is.

 

[blackangst1]

The crowd size in Mexico doesn't really matter. The number of people who actually scaled the barricades & came down on our side is what matters. How many people was that?


What deal do you speak of? The one Mexico said they won't accept, or the one Donald says they already did?

https://www.google.com/search?q=mexico+denies+migrant+deal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b94154151d2_story.html?utm_term=.fe14a14c6368

“For now, we have agreed to this policy of Remain in Mexico,” said Olga Sánchez Cordero, Mexico’s incoming interior minister, the top domestic policy official for López Obrador, who takes office Dec. 1. In an interview with The Washington Post, she called it a “short-term solution.”

edit: AAhhh they supposedly changed their mind? hahahaha OK.

And it looks like Mexico has already started deporting some of the caravan migrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46339085

Mexico says it has deported nearly 100 Central American migrants a day after they tried to storm the US border.

Why does Mexico hate brown people?

Today, several migrants threw projectiles at the agents in San Diego. Border Patrol agents deployed tear gas to dispel the group because of the risk to agents' safety. Several agents were hit by the projectiles. The situation is evolving and a statement is forthcoming.

This kind of respect for law enforcement is exactly the type of people we need in the US! amirite?

 

[Meghan54]

The people at the border are being prevented from entering. When they try to enter illegally they are prevented from doing so. This is nothing new. I do not know of a policy that was to let them in, and then let them file. It was always that they file before.

Then you speak from a position of ignorance of how U.S. asylum law works, I guess.

Here, this is from the govt's own site (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services) for seeking asylum.....

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states

(Click on the Affirmative Asylum Processing with USCIS to read the above.....literally what's said first in that heading.)

Literally the very first line of the Affirmative Asylum process description. See the part that requires the asylum seeker to be in the U.S. first before they can apply? See where it says regardless of how one arrives in the U.S., one can apply for asylum?

See anywhere mentioned about applying before arriving? Nope, neither did I.

So, now quit the bullshit of "I do not know of a policy that was to let them in, and then let them file. It was always that they file before,"....it such a bad trope that's a routine talking point of ignorant conservatives who don't even know of what they speak.

BTW....this law is not new by a longshot.

But I might convince my oak desk that it's plastic faster than get you to understand facts.

 

[Jhhnn]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b94154151d2_story.html?utm_term=.fe14a14c6368



edit: AAhhh they supposedly changed their mind? hahahaha OK.

Yes they did.

 

[realibrad]

Then you speak from a position of ignorance of how U.S. asylum law works, I guess.

Here, this is from the govt's own site (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services) for seeking asylum.....



https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states

(Click on the Affirmative Asylum Processing with USCIS to read the above.....literally what's said first in that heading.)

Literally the very first line of the Affirmative Asylum process description. See the part that requires the asylum seeker to be in the U.S. first before they can apply? See where it says regardless of how one arrives in the U.S., one can apply for asylum?

See anywhere mentioned about applying before arriving? Nope, neither did I.

So, now quit the bullshit of "I do not know of a policy that was to let them in, and then let them file. It was always that they file before,"....it such a bad trope that's a routine talking point of ignorant conservatives who don't even know of what they speak.

BTW....this law is not new by a longshot.

But I might convince my oak desk that it's plastic faster than get you to understand facts.

Are you aware of the difference between asylum and refugee?

Refugee is for people outside of the US, Asylum is for people already in.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum

"You may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States."

So settle down.

 

[blackangst1]

Yes they did.

See my edit. Mexico hates brown people!

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, because like I said, you have to keep people out until they are processed. The alternative is to let in everyone and then try to process them. That would be stupid jhhnn. All you are arguing about is that you think it should be shorter than it is.

The Trump admin has no intention of processing any more of them than absolutely necessary. The objective is to keep them out as much as possible. Keeping the process nicely screwed up facilitates that. Fuck 'em. Let 'em rot on the other side of the border until they give up & go away. Make it Mexico's problem.

Meanwhile, spend a fortune deploying troops so they can be bored out of their skulls living in bivouacs & eating MRE's.

 

[Jhhnn]

See my edit. Mexico hates brown people!

Duh-flect. Deny any moral responsibility. Paint it as an invasion rather than a humanitarian crisis. Let Mexico deal with it.

Who do you suppose can bring greater resources to bear, anyway? The US, or Mexico?

 

[blackangst1]

Duh-flect. Deny any moral responsibility. Paint it as an invasion rather than a humanitarian crisis. Let Mexico deal with it.

Who do you suppose can bring greater resources to bear, anyway? The US, or Mexico?

First, dont pot words in my mouth. I know its your MO, but please. I never called it as an invasion. Nor implied it. In one of busiest crossing points, they can only process 100 applications per day due to workload. Whats your solution? Just open the gates and let them all and pinky swear theyll file their paperwork? How about you try putting your bleeding heart away and live in a border state like I do and see for yourself how dangerous illegals crossing are. We have zero moral responsibility for those who dont follow our laws of entry.

And being a humanitarian crisis has nothing to with it. Mexico has already offered food, shelter, and jobs. Most refused. These migrats arent in it for a better life, theyre in it to get into the US by any means necessary. Im fine with that, just follow the fucking law.

 

[ivwshane]

Are you aware of the difference between asylum and refugee?

Refugee is for people outside of the US, Asylum is for people already in.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum

"You may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States."

So settle down.

Looks like captain quibbles has entered the conversation!

When attempting to enter the US to apply for asylum they are blocked, captain quibbles says they are doing it wrong because they are refugees.

 

[ivwshane]

First, dont pot words in my mouth. I know its your MO, but please. I never called it as an invasion. Nor implied it. In one of busiest crossing points, they can only process 100 applications per day due to workload. Whats your solution? Just open the gates and let them all and pinky swear theyll file their paperwork? How about you try putting your bleeding heart away and live in a border state like I do and see for yourself how dangerous illegals crossing are. We have zero moral responsibility for those who dont follow our laws of entry.

And being a humanitarian crisis has nothing to with it. Mexico has already offered food, shelter, and jobs. Most refused. These migrats arent in it for a better life, theyre in it to get into the US by any means necessary. Im fine with that, just follow the fucking law.

Interesting. You expect them to follow the law but you make no demands that the US follow the law. I wonder why that is.

 

[realibrad]

The Trump admin has no intention of processing any more of them than absolutely necessary. The objective is to keep them out as much as possible. Keeping the process nicely screwed up facilitates that. Fuck 'em. Let 'em rot on the other side of the border until they give up & go away. Make it Mexico's problem.

Meanwhile, spend a fortune deploying troops so they can be bored out of their skulls living in bivouacs & eating MRE's.

For sure Trump wants less immigration. I think that is wrong to do and only hurts us. I will not try and defend something I disagree with.

But, that does not change keeping people out until they are approved to enter. If you want to shift to talking about a different issue such as increasing the number that are let in, then lets do it. Just don't pretend that its somehow wrong to keep people out until they are approved.

 

[realibrad]

Looks like captain quibbles has entered the conversation!

When attempting to enter the US to apply for asylum they are blocked, captain quibbles says they are doing it wrong because they are refugees.

I said that people are kept out until they are approved. He was the one that brought up asylum as a way to disprove that you keep them out until approved. The quibble is with him, not me.