- Feb 27, 2003
So maybe intel would have liked to wait with the launch until Q3-4 but with the successful launch of ryzen felt obliged to push X299 platform forward, even with a buggy bios?
We are comparing 3.9-4Ghz 1700 against 4.5-4.8 7820X, not stock 1800X and 7900X, thought it was obvious from context as well.Just 20% try again
And being slower to an extent where just getting job done faster will save me 500 dollars. Not clearcut at all, but we both know where your bias lie. I have already said it, i would not buy SKL-X even if it had 50% rebate, simply too much heat and if i wanted to settle for low clocks, Ryzen would be cheaper until SKL-X gets a ridiculous rebate with it.And costing 500 dollars less too boot while consuming 20-30% less power. I think I know the winner.
Pfft, they ruin Xeon Phis with TIM, SKL-X is child's play.Ruining such a high tech piece of hardware with that TIM.....
Overclocked, Intel handles 3866C11. Needless to say, Ryzen does not come close, but w/e, it is Intel thread, isn't it.Well, since DDR4-2666 is the fastest the Intel chips can handle, overclocked or not (I am pretty sure) and AMD supports 3000 or better, I would guess the 3000 wen to the Ryzens
Wow. I'd have to watch the video review but that seems like obvious bias. There is no way the 7900X offers better bang for buck than an 1800X. At twice the price, there is no way the 7900X offers better than twice the performance of an 1800X.From Linustechtips review...
Actively coming out and saying that they can't provide remotely reliable gaming results right now because the bioses are a ****** mess is not giving anyone a free pass in any sense.I really don't like how AnandTech gave Intel a free pass with the "buggy" motherboard BIOS issue when running games. That lack of integrity has greatly diminished this sites standings. Be honest and show us what the performance is like at the time of review.
Such an incredible shame.
I agree. The 7900x is a good value if you have the option to get all cores up to 4.5GHz and keep it cool.It's looking like Silicon Lottery will be offering delidded Skylake-X CPUs at competitive prices (except for binned chips) with a 1 year warranty. If that comes to pass, it'll will be the best option for enthusiast overclockers, IMHO. For Kabylake-S, the overclocked temps came down 15-25 degrees C!
If you are running AVX-512 FMA3 loop at 3.8Ghz (as you can), then 7900X offers about quadruple the performance. So... it is theoretically possible?Wow. I'd have to watch the video review but that seems like obvious bias. There is no way the 7900X offers better bang for buck than an 1800X. At twice the price, there is no way the 7900X offers better than twice the performance of an 1800X.
Yet it's able to run everything else. Run the gaming benchmarks, explain the performance, and revisit it at another time with potential fixes. Intel bumped up the release to counter AMD and in doing so had this issue as a result. Intel should be held accountable with the facts presented.Actively coming out and saying that they can't provide remotely reliable gaming results right now because the bioses are a ****** mess is not giving anyone a free pass in any sense.
Hm, fair point. They should've weighted that particular benchmark very low then to reflect how little real world applications actually take advantage of AVX-512 then (the weight should be like 1%).If you are running AVX-512 FMA3 loop at 3.8Ghz (as you can), then 7900X offers about quadruple the performance. So... it is theoretically possible?
This certainly isn't a Prescott. As a platform this release is close to the 820 release. Needlessly complex and missguided. But this is just a furthering of what we already knew about this platform. These CPU's were made for one thing and one thing only. Servers. Because of that almost all the focus is on Server based performance in a variety of settings ones that even most servers don't see. That way they don't need to have different versions of silicon. I can say with all honesty it probably makes no difference if they disabled AVX512 on the whole lineup instead of disabling a couple units on the cheaper CPU's. But the point of the matter is Intel has never and will never create a true HEDT CPU. The closest to that is the 7700 but their segmentation now means not having more than 4 cores on the performance desktop market. Later it will be 6. Which sadly locks out other people who want performance CPU's. This market and these offerings are all about getting extra margins about taking CPU's designed for one job and putting an i7 and now i9 sticker on them. It didn't matter much in the past because they rarely did anything different between the hierarchy between the desktop and server designs. This changes that. It's still good for people who need ST performance to go with more cores. The platform itself is a mess I would want to stay away from. But these CPU's were never the best at desktop enviroment stuff and its not like this really is that much of departure (cept using the stupid paste).- AVX512 really seems like a BIG mistake... maybe already AVX256 / FMAC was.
- new cache hierarchy seems ok, but not worth the effort
- mesh is good for the future and for higher core counts, I support making that change.
- IIRC with the 3-memory-channel in Nehalem-EP, some RAS features only worked in downgrade a 2-channel operation mode. Maybe they should have gone to 8 channels all the way or stay at 4.
Maybe the server benchmarks will be better, but this looks like the first bad design mistake since Prescott or mabye Haswell
I know your pain! I was thinking the same thing today when trying to decide on a MB for my 7820X. But then I realized that I dont want my m.2 drives on the DMI bus anyways, so I will be buying this: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboard-Accessory/HYPER_M2_X4_MINI_CARD/ so I can use CPU PCIe lanes instead.Welp...ordered my 7820x and Auros Gaming 7. This is my first highish end Gigabyte board. My OCD just couldn't deal with the vertical m.2 mount on the Asus boards.
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