Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[poke01]

it's nearly 2026 and Celerons are still here

their name... H-model CPUs

What cpu do you have?

 

[511]

PTL graphics will set a new standard for the whole industry according to Tom Petersen

It's 50% faster than Lunar

 

[adroc_thurston]

It's 50% faster than Lunar

in timespy

 

[511]

in timespy

In time spy it's 1.7-1.8X 😂

 

[fastandfurious6]

Yeah conventional weak igpus are obsolete. Intel needs to make its Halo or it's game over

What cpu do you have?

The best!

 

[poke01]

In time spy it's 1.7-1.8X 😂

Per core what’s the upgrade

 

[511]

Yeah conventional weak igpus are obsolete. Intel needs to make its Halo or it's game over



The best!

How much those halo ships in terms of volume.

Per core what’s the upgrade

Don't know exact figures

 

[poke01]

If it’s a 50% increase but has 50% more cores, where is the architectural increase

Don't know exact figures

Well, best in the whole industry is big claims. I hope they talk about that on the 9th

 

[511]

If it’s a 50% increase but has 50% more cores, where is the architectural increase

Nullified by lack of memory bandwidth there is barely increase in memory bandwidth.

Well, best in the whole industry is big claims. I hope they talk about that on the 9th

Maybe they are claiming best 128b cause the best iGPU currently is in M4 PRO MAX for gaming it's STX-H.

 

[dullard]

If it’s a 50% increase but has 50% more cores, where is the architectural increase
Well, best in the whole industry is big claims. I hope they talk about that on the 9th

1) It is 100% more cores not 50% more. Going from 4 P + 4 E (8 total cores) to 4 P + 8 E + 4 LP-E (16 total cores).

2) The cores are of different types. Suppose that I have four $10 bills and four $1 bills. Suppose then that I double the $1 bills and add four dimes then I double the number of monetary units that I have, but it isn't double the monetary value. Thinking linearly like that shows that you don't seem to grasp the details.

3) You are highly misreading Intel's claim. They said "set a new standard". That is not "best in the whole industry". Not by a long shot.

 

[511]

It is 100% more cores not 50% more. Going from 4 P + 4 E (8 total cores) to 4 P + 8 E + 4 LP-E (16 total cores).

He meant the GPU it's 12Xe3 vs 8 Xe2

 

[dullard]

He meant the GPU it's 12Xe3 vs 8 Xe2

But Intel's claim is 50% more data crunching in some situations.

 

[511]

We will wait for tomorrow than

 

[Magio]

Yeah conventional weak igpus are obsolete. Intel needs to make its Halo or it's game over

Yes, how will Intel compete if they don't have a match for Strix Halo and its... 2? design wins.

 

[511]

Yes, how will Intel compete if they don't have a match for Strix Halo and its... 2? design wins.

HE comes here for trolling 🤣

 

[poke01]

Yes, how will Intel compete if they don't have a match for Strix Halo and its... 2? design wins.

It’s actually even worse, it’s one laptop win.

ONE, what a fail

 

[511]

It’s actually even worse, it’s one laptop win.

ONE, what a fail

STX Halo got mini PC wins

 

[poke01]

It’s actually even worse, it’s one laptop win.

ONE, what a fail

But let’s give AMD credit they pulled more design wins than Nvidia did with the N1X which is stuck in development hell.

 

[poke01]

STX Halo got mini PC wins

Low margins, AMD wanted those premium laptop wins

 

[adroc_thurston]

It’s actually even worse, it’s one laptop win.

ONE, what a fail

it's a new swimlane, pipe down already.

Low margins, AMD wanted those premium laptop wins

they ain't low, that's the point.
none of the stxH NUCs are cheap.

 

[poke01]

it's a new swimlane, pipe down already

You said yourself that Strix halo will get more laptop design wins come Computex.

So no I won’t pipe down.

none of the stxH NUCs are cheap

I know but laptops have higher margins.

 

[adroc_thurston]

You said yourself that Strix halo will get more laptop design wins come Computex.

That's still coming.

So no I won’t pipe down.

Yes you will.

I know but laptops have higher margins.

Not really, no.
They tend to have higher *volumes*.

 

[poke01]

That's still coming.

At CES?

Not really, no.

Yeah they do. Especially the Nvidia ones.
It’s amazing how much of a markup just for a battery, screen and keyboard.

 

[adroc_thurston]

At CES?

yeah.

Yeah they do. Especially the Nvidia ones.

No, there are gobs and gobs of reasonable gaming laptops these days.
There's a damn good reason 4060 Laptop sits on top of the steam survey.

It’s amazing how much of a markup just for a battery, screen and keyboard.

oh come on this isn't 2012 anymore.

 

[dullard]

There's a damn good reason 4060 Laptop sits on top of the steam survey.

I think you are over-playing your cards here. It is the top of the survey with 4.84% of gaming users. And only about 5% of computers are used for gaming (there is a way higher percentage of gamers, but they don't use every computer for gaming). With that context, it is not as big of a market as you are making it sound. Especially since the 4060 isn't an AMD Strix Halo.