Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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It's so funny that Intel CPU teams created these scary architecture codenames "Raptor" "Lion" "Panther" etc. and they all fell short. Gotta wonder if they are coming up with the names because someone senior and important has kid(s) with these plush toys :D
Panther Cove is releasing with Nova Lake as for Raptor Lake it is kind of most embarrassing architecture in both way it killed itself but it is also a arch which gave Zen4 a run for it's money on Intel 7 process
 
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theres a new thread i created for this. Seems like most here will have opinions on this
 

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Indeed, ~4.25W is Lunar Lakes absolute most efficient ST point and it becomes markedly less efficient at 12W. Without seeing WCLs curve up to 12W, you really cant tell anything at all other than that its 22% more efficient at exactly 5W. Thats still not bad, but all that says is that we know thus far it can be very good for handheld CPU perf compared to what we have now.
 

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So in other words, all we can know is WCL is +22% more efficient than LNL at LNLs most efficient point in its curve. We dont know what the 18A curve looks like at all.

WCL is basically Panther Lake though, right? Or is it whats coming after Panther Lake? If the latter, thats...not great. If the former, its not bad, especially if they can actually put out some volume.
 
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So in other words, all we can know is WCL is +22% more efficient than LNL at LNLs most efficient point in its curve. We dont know what the 18A curve looks like at all.

WCL is basically Panther Lake though, right? Or is it whats coming after Panther Lake? If the latter, thats...not great. If the former, its not bad, especially if they can actually put out some volume.
WCL is Cougar Cove same P core as PTL
 
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WCL is Cougar Cove same P core as PTL
Whats your take on the numbers vs what is expected from AMDs 3nm Zen 6 mobile offerings? Seems to me its probably going to be close to lock-step gains with it, depending on the curves from 5-12W.
 

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Well Zen 6 on N3P would likely be better cause it's a newer uArch but it's competitor is Coyote Cove
Ahh, true, the latest roadmap shows Zen 6 mobile not coming till Q1 '27. If PTL comes in Q1 '26, I suppose thats correct.