Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[511]

Ahh, true, the latest roadmap shows Zen 6 mobile not coming till Q1 '27. If PTL comes in Q1 '26, I suppose thats correct.

Unlikely Zen 6 mobile should launch by End of 26

 

[Tigerick]

Guys, I have updated the thread title and page with upcoming Intel WCL APU which should be released in 2026. WCL is replacement of ADL-N and targeting sub-$600 entry notebook and tablet PC market. As listed in table above, WCL has some improvement over ADL-N but still far behind LNL....Please study the table if you are interested on such APU.

 

[poke01]

It’s now nearly the end of September where is Panther lake leaks and when is Intels so aptly named “innovation” event.

Seriously, the only innovating they are doing is keeping the Geekbench scores from leaking. I feel they know once those leak it’s hard data and so it’s in heavy embargo.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Seriously, the only innovating they are doing is keeping the Geekbench scores from leaking

Oh there are very practical reasons for that.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It’s now nearly the end of September where is Panther lake leaks and when is Intels so aptly named “innovation” event.

No mention of it on Intel's site.

I would say that's a sign of trouble.

@511 do you have a concrete date for Intel's next event?

 

[511]

No mention of it on Intel's site.

I would say that's a sign of trouble.

@511 do you have a concrete date for Intel's next event?

ITT is in few days 3-4 days from what I know

 

[igor_kavinski]

ITT is in few days 3-4 days from what I know

Why aren't they being public about it? Don't they want everyone to know what they have got in store?

 

[511]

Why aren't they being public about it? Don't they want everyone to know what they have got in store?

The event will be made live later but it is an NDA event.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The event will be made live later but it is an NDA event.

NOW YOU TELL US!

When does the embargo for tech sites expire for them to share that info?

 

[511]

NOW YOU TELL US!

When does the embargo for tech sites expire for them to share that info?

Don't know but the the event will be available on

Intel Technology

Here to share the latest in Intel technology innovations, security and sustainability.

m.youtube.com

 

[DZero]

Makes me think... Wild Cat Lake is strong, but maybe to compensate the lack of threads, they could enable HT on the P cores.

 

[511]

Makes me think... Wild Cat Lake is strong, but maybe to compensate the lack of threads, they could enable HT on the P cores.

There is none on the cores on WCL

 

[igor_kavinski]

Makes me think... Wild Cat Lake is strong, but maybe to compensate the lack of threads, they could enable HT on the P cores.

It's almost like someone there was a strong proponent of HT and he retired or got fired and then the next senior person was a huge HT hater.

If they can't agree on important things internally, how will they ever work together to beat Apple/Qualcomm/ARM/AMD?

 

[511]

It's almost like someone there was a strong proponent of HT and he retired or got fired and then the next senior person was a huge HT hater.

If they can't agree on important things internally, how will they ever work together to beat Apple/Qualcomm/ARM/AMD?

The main reason for killing HT was to cut development time and make a core focused on Peak ST they f***** up both.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The main reason for killing HT was to cut development time and make a core focused on Peak ST they f***** up both.

I believe the real reason was something else entirely. Someone got fired and before leaving, they made sure to tamper with sensitive documents so now no one at Intel knows for sure if their HT can be trusted to work reliably anymore.

Yes, that's my conspiracy theory. Whatever they say officially, of course that's a lie. They always lie. Been a long time since they gave good, detailed truthful architecture presentations without hiding behind crap marketing terms like Intel Thread Director or Intel APO or whatever.

 

[DZero]

There is none on the cores on WCL

That's why I am thinking... what to ruin the concept which is great.

I believe the real reason was something else entirely. Someone got fired and before leaving, they made sure to tamper with sensitive documents so now no one at Intel knows for sure if their HT can be trusted to work reliably anymore.

Yes, that's my conspiracy theory. Whatever they say officially, of course that's a lie. They always lie. Been a long time since they gave good, detailed truthful architecture presentations without hiding behind crap marketing terms like Intel Thread Director or Intel APO or whatever.

Meltdown, spectre? Maybe a vulnerability because of HT?

 

[511]

I believe the real reason was something else entirely. Someone got fired and before leaving, they made sure to tamper with sensitive documents so now no one at Intel knows for sure if their HT can be trusted to work reliably anymore.

Yes, that's my conspiracy theory. Whatever they say officially, of course that's a lie. They always lie. Been a long time since they gave good, detailed truthful architecture presentations without hiding behind crap marketing terms like Intel Thread Director or Intel APO or whatever.

That's not true real reason was as I said Dev time and Vulnerability reduction

 

[igor_kavinski]

That's not true real reason was as I said Dev time and Vulnerability reduction

But you don't have any real source to back that up other than Intel official lies so

 

[igor_kavinski]

Meltdown, spectre? Maybe a vulnerability because of HT?

If they can't fix HT more than 20 years after debuting it, they should just give up now and start licensing CPU architectures from AMD.

I have an idea. Maybe they should license Bulldozer since AMD will just say, here, you can have it for free!

 

[moinmoin]

If they can't fix HT more than 20 years after debuting it, they should just give up now

Well, they gave up on HT indeed.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Well, they gave up on HT indeed.

It's back!

 

[moinmoin]

It's back!

Only after some new CEO didn't care about all the internal politics predating him and forces it back in. Will be interesting to see whether he backs it with the validation it really needs.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Only after some new CEO didn't care about all the internal politics predating him and forces it back in.

It wasn't a political decision, Intel validation teams just plain suck.
And SMT is extensive in terms of validation man-hours.

 

[jpiniero]

It wasn't a political decision, Intel validation teams just plain suck.
And SMT is extensive in terms of validation man-hours.

Yet AMD is capable of doing it.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Yet AMD is capable of doing it.

and Intel is capable of shipping laptop parts yearly.