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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15W?Intel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+4+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz?5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 W ?17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth136 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz?2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.018 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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Guys, I have updated the thread title and page with upcoming Intel WCL APU which should be released in 2026. WCL is replacement of ADL-N and targeting sub-$600 entry notebook and tablet PC market. As listed in table above, WCL has some improvement over ADL-N but still far behind LNL....Please study the table if you are interested on such APU.
 
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It’s now nearly the end of September where is Panther lake leaks and when is Intels so aptly named “innovation” event.

Seriously, the only innovating they are doing is keeping the Geekbench scores from leaking. I feel they know once those leak it’s hard data and so it’s in heavy embargo.
 
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Makes me think... Wild Cat Lake is strong, but maybe to compensate the lack of threads, they could enable HT on the P cores.
 
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DZero said:
Makes me think... Wild Cat Lake is strong, but maybe to compensate the lack of threads, they could enable HT on the P cores.
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It's almost like someone there was a strong proponent of HT and he retired or got fired and then the next senior person was a huge HT hater.

If they can't agree on important things internally, how will they ever work together to beat Apple/Qualcomm/ARM/AMD?
 
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igor_kavinski said:
It's almost like someone there was a strong proponent of HT and he retired or got fired and then the next senior person was a huge HT hater.

If they can't agree on important things internally, how will they ever work together to beat Apple/Qualcomm/ARM/AMD?
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The main reason for killing HT was to cut development time and make a core focused on Peak ST they f***** up both.
 
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511 said:
The main reason for killing HT was to cut development time and make a core focused on Peak ST they f***** up both.
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I believe the real reason was something else entirely. Someone got fired and before leaving, they made sure to tamper with sensitive documents so now no one at Intel knows for sure if their HT can be trusted to work reliably anymore.

Yes, that's my conspiracy theory. Whatever they say officially, of course that's a lie. They always lie. Been a long time since they gave good, detailed truthful architecture presentations without hiding behind crap marketing terms like Intel Thread Director or Intel APO or whatever.
 
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511 said:
There is none on the cores on WCL
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That's why I am thinking... what to ruin the concept which is great.

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I believe the real reason was something else entirely. Someone got fired and before leaving, they made sure to tamper with sensitive documents so now no one at Intel knows for sure if their HT can be trusted to work reliably anymore.

Yes, that's my conspiracy theory. Whatever they say officially, of course that's a lie. They always lie. Been a long time since they gave good, detailed truthful architecture presentations without hiding behind crap marketing terms like Intel Thread Director or Intel APO or whatever.
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Meltdown, spectre? Maybe a vulnerability because of HT?
 
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igor_kavinski said:
I believe the real reason was something else entirely. Someone got fired and before leaving, they made sure to tamper with sensitive documents so now no one at Intel knows for sure if their HT can be trusted to work reliably anymore.

Yes, that's my conspiracy theory. Whatever they say officially, of course that's a lie. They always lie. Been a long time since they gave good, detailed truthful architecture presentations without hiding behind crap marketing terms like Intel Thread Director or Intel APO or whatever.
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That's not true real reason was as I said Dev time and Vulnerability reduction
 
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DZero said:
Meltdown, spectre? Maybe a vulnerability because of HT?
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If they can't fix HT more than 20 years after debuting it, they should just give up now and start licensing CPU architectures from AMD.

I have an idea. Maybe they should license Bulldozer since AMD will just say, here, you can have it for free!
 
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