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Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Tigerick

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15WIntel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7 360Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz4.8 GHz5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB6 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 - 35 W17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5x-7467128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB48 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth83 GB/s60 GB/s136 GB/s120 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz2.6 GHz2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.017 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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This leads be to believe that N3B was a bad node. Both for Apple and Intel
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Battery life and GPU improvements seem to be the shining points, though we need a lot more samples to get a firm grasp on how good battery life really is. More GPU testing as well, it will be interesting to see if Intel was able to fix the areas were GPU performance choked previously.
how does it lose to a fanless Air? Talking MT obviously
 
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Battery life and GPU improvements seem to be the shining points, though we need a lot more samples to get a firm grasp on how good battery life really is. More GPU testing as well, it will be interesting to see if Intel was able to fix the areas were GPU performance choked previously.

Notebook check get 120 points in ST, which puts it 6% ahead of Strix. That’s another shinning point in my book.
 
The ST efficiency beats the hell out of Strix, but this is a 4.8 vs 5.1 scenario, keep that in mind. Downclocking Strix to 4.8 may boost its efficiency a decent amount. What I find more intriguing is that the Lion Cove R23 ST is 7% behind Strix (4.8 vs 5.1), and is even about 0.75% behind when clock normalized. Just going off of this, Lion Cove is essentially identical to Zen 5 in R23 IPC. That doesnt bode well for those predicting 2500+ R23 ST for the 285K. Unless this Zenbook S14 is not holding its ST boost well during the test. In R15 and R20 ST, its behind 18% and 23% respectively. Ironically, Lunar Lake beats Strix in R24 ST by around 12 to 13% clock normalized. Wonder why such a huge the role reversal vs R15, 20, and 23?


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The ST efficiency beats the hell out of Strix, but this is a 4.8 vs 5.1 scenario, keep that in mind. Downclocking Strix to 4.8 may boost its efficiency a decent amount. What I find more intriguing is that the Lion Cove R23 ST is 7% behind Strix (4.8 vs 5.1), and is even about 0.75% behind when clock normalized. Just going off of this, Lion Cove is essentially identical to Zen 5 in R23 IPC. That doesnt bode well for those predicting 2500+ R23 ST for the 285K. Unless this Zenbook S14 is not holding its ST boost well during the test. In R15 and R20 ST, its behind 18% and 23% respectively. Ironically, Lunar Lake beats Strix in R24 ST by around 12 to 13% clock normalized. Wonder why such a huge the role reversal vs R15, 20, and 23?


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In CB24 beats it by 6% even with the clock advantage, as you say 13% normalized. So I would wait for ARL and see.
 
The ST efficiency beats the hell out of Strix, but this is a 4.8 vs 5.1 scenario, keep that in mind. Downclocking Strix to 4.8 may boost its efficiency a decent amount. What I find more intriguing is that the Lion Cove R23 ST is 7% behind Strix (4.8 vs 5.1), and is even about 0.75% behind when clock normalized. Just going off of this, Lion Cove is essentially identical to Zen 5 in R23 IPC. That doesnt bode well for those predicting 2500+ R23 ST for the 285K. Unless this Zenbook S14 is not holding its ST boost well during the test. In R15 and R20 ST, its behind 18% and 23% respectively. Ironically, Lunar Lake beats Strix in R24 ST by around 12 to 13% clock normalized. Wonder why such a huge the role reversal vs R15, 20, and 23?


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CB24 has some sensitivity to memory bandwidth where the previous versions didn’t.
 
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Interestingly, for battery life, the Strix HX 370 based Vivobook S 14 still beats everything, including this Lunar Lake Zenbook S14. Display obviously has a tremendous amount of influence on battery life, as the lower resolution seems to suck much less power at the same screen size than the UX5406.

Would be very interesting to see how a Vivobook version of Lunar Lake with same display compares.
 
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