Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[poke01]

This is not the doom & gloom thread, this is the Intel thread. (see what I did there?)

Stay on topic!

so it’s on topic? 😛

 

[coercitiv]

Let's take a breather from all this to remember Haswell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829882848830243045

Now, can we have Lunar Lake on something?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Now, can we have Lunar Lake on something?

A moon rocket of course. 🚀

 

[igor_kavinski]

Let's take a breather from all this to remember Haswell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829882848830243045

My office PC is faster than that! https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=75122,75469

Good to know that I'm enjoying better than fighter pilot CPU performance in the comfort of my workplace.

 

[maddie]

A moon rocket of course. 🚀

Boeing's maybe?

 

[eek2121]

I don't want these forum to disappear 😭😭

A bit off topic, but if there is a desire for a forum replacement and the lack of a suitable replacement when the time comes, I will consider spinning one up.

 

[Nothingness]

A moon rocket of course. 🚀

Everytime I time I read Lunar Lake, I think of the Lunar Lander game I played long ago. I often crashed my lander.

 

[511]

Everytime I time I read Lunar Lake, I think of the Lunar Lander game I played long ago. I often crashed my lander.

Hope intel doesn't crash theirs

 

[SiliconFly]

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[ondma]

Let's take a breather from all this to remember Haswell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829882848830243045

Now, can we have Lunar Lake on something?

A new "Lunar" lander???

 

[Philste]

There is/was a "performance preview" for LNL in Berlin today:

 

[igor_kavinski]

A bit off topic, but if there is a desire for a forum replacement and the lack of a suitable replacement when the time comes, I will consider spinning one up.

How soon can we sign up for a beta test?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Everytime I time I read Lunar Lake, I think of the Lunar Lander game I played long ago. I often crashed my lander.

Anything Lunar reminds me of the game Moon Patrol. It was one of my childhood's desires to play that game a lot. Unfortunately, it loaded exactly one time on my Atari. Then one stupid kid dropped my cassette recorder on the carpet from at least 3 feet and it never could load a game ever again. *sniff* *sniff*

 

[Hulk]

Let's play a game, I'm the golden trickster fish and you're Pat Lucky. You found me while fishing, and you get one wish to save Intel from the ones below:

• Intel gets best SoC of 2025 with Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake wins vs. Zen 5 in performance and efficiency (ARL refresh included)
• Intel matches or beats TSMC with their fifth node in 4 years, and is set to win foundry contracts for short and mid term

Why am I the trickster golden fish, you ask? Because when you pick one, the other is automatically excluded. In a way this matches reality, it would take a miracle for both of the above to happen at the same time. So which one do you pick to save Intel? 🐡

I would pick process technology as this has been an issue for 10 years now. Catching up would be a huge achievement. Intel has less trouble with architecture it seems.

 

[ondma]

I would pick process technology as this has been an issue for 10 years now. Catching up would be a huge achievement. Intel has less trouble with architecture it seems.

We will see. ARL is on arguably at least an equal node to Zen 5, even if Intel, "the supposed foundry company," didn't manufacture it themselves. Lets see how the power usage compares; I bet AMD will still be considerably more efficient. Of course the comparison will be complicated by the fact that ARL uses E cores and doesn't have HT.

 

[majord]

An Interview with Intel’s Arik Gihon about Lunar Lake at Hot Chips 2024

For today’s article we have another video interview for you folks, this time with Arik Gihon from Intel where we talk about Lunar Lake.

chipsandcheese.com

 

[Markfw]

An Interview with Intel’s Arik Gihon about Lunar Lake at Hot Chips 2024

For today’s article we have another video interview for you folks, this time with Arik Gihon from Intel where we talk about Lunar Lake.

chipsandcheese.com

still talking about e-cores.........

 

[H433x0n]

still talking about e-cores.........

So what? It’s a mobile product designed for power efficiency.

 

[jdubs03]

Another 285K result:

Not too bad. Looks like ST is going to be around 3420-3450. MT 23000-23400.

 

[511]

Another 285K result:
View attachment 106716
Not too bad. Looks like ST is going to be around 3420-3450. MT 23000-23400.

It's MultiMemeBench even r24 is a better bench than this

 

[jdubs03]

It's MultiMemeBench even r24 is a better bench than this

It’s all that’s available!

 

[poke01]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830601888741621890

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..

 

[SteinFG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830601888741621890

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..

Such chips are focused on perf/w, can't gain much unless intel jumps nodes. For example, M2 and M4 don't have a lot of perf/w improvements compared to M1 and M3 respectively, because they used the same node family. So I think it's fine to wait 3 years between updates. Now if LNL doesn't have a successor at all, that's another story

 

[511]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830601888741621890

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..

I think OEMs had an afterthought due to PMIC Cost OEMs love to cheap out apple doesn't cheap out cause they can extort the prices OEMs can't do that so maybe there is that also i bet some OEM don't like to pay the price for memory in LNL to Intel

 

[poke01]

Such chips are focused on perf/w, can't gain much unless intel jumps nodes. For example, M2 and M4 don't have a lot of perf/w improvements compared to M1 and M3 respectively, because they used the same node family. So I think it's fine to wait 3 years between updates. Now if LNL doesn't have a successor at all, that's another story

I'm just hoping thats the case and a successor comes in 2027. There's a reason why Dell still had LNL in 2026 as an option for the preimum mobile SKU.