Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.





As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

 

[mikk]

Panther Lake confirmed for the first time, also confirmed to run on 18A.

 

[FangBLade]

Oh no, @A///'s not gonna get his MTL laptop this year, unless he camps right outside Microcenter's front door on launch day.

I had really hoped that this year all manufacturers would have the MTL version of the laptop available for sale, but as is usually the case with Intel - just wait. They've been recycling the Intel Xe graphics for 3 years, which is too much, it's too much .

 

[igor_kavinski]

They've been recycling the Intel Xe graphics for 3 years, which is too much, it's too much .

Well, they basically recycled the A380. I hope it at least brings some IPC improvements, AKA Alchemist Refresh. If not, boohoo!

 

[FangBLade]

Well, they basically recycled the A380. I hope it at least brings some IPC improvements, AKA Alchemist Refresh. If not, boohoo!

At least that will bring a more significant leap. Up until the MTL, they were using practically the same architecture, meaning from the Tiger Lake processor, and they are falling far behind the competition.

 

[cebri1]

Lack of performance details plus late release date is so disappointing. Market not liking it either.

 

[inf64]

Lack of performance details plus late release date is so disappointing. Market not liking it either.

I was looking for Meteor Lake performance numbers but found... none? Is this for real?

 

[FangBLade]

Lack of performance details plus late release date is so disappointing. Market not liking it either.

Perhaps Pat should have done another 50 push-ups to compensate for the lack of concrete product information.

 

[cebri1]

I was looking for Meteor Lake performance numbers but found... none? Is this for real?

Only for the GPU tile. So if I had to guess, expect RPL performance but 20-30% more efficient.

 

[AMDK11]

I'm disappointed.I was hoping for more details about RedwoodCove and the IPC growth curve as with GoldenCove.However, I understand that detailed information about GoldenCove was available at the time of AlderLake's release.They cleverly went ahead and left more details for the December premiere.

 

[inf64]

Only for the GPU tile. So if I had to guess, expect RPL performance but 20-30% more efficient.

Yeah, but still zero performance slides for x86 cores is abysmal to say the least. I cannot remember a "launch|/unveiling that intel did in the past that had so little x86 info.

 

[jpiniero]

Yeah, but still zero performance slides for x86 cores is abysmal to say the least. I cannot remember a "launch|/unveiling that intel did in the past that had so little x86 info.

Doesn't seem like you are going to get any of those kind of details until it's release in December.

 

[FangBLade]

Yeah, but still zero performance slides for x86 cores is abysmal to say the least. I cannot remember a "launch|/unveiling that intel did in the past that had so little x86 info.

And some were looking forward to it so much, sacrificing their otherwise rich and fulfilling day for Pat, and he gave them only crumbs , a sad day for the biggest optimists and fans of the blues.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I expected they will show us Meteor Lake SKU details and some performance numbers.
What we got is that IGP is 2x better, but nothing more detailed.
So in the end, we know basically nothing about MTL performance or efficiency.

 

[Glo.]

Only for the GPU tile. So if I had to guess, expect RPL performance but 20-30% more efficient.

Intel touts that MTL should perform at 28W of power.

If that is the case its mind blowing efficiency. But, we'll find out when it hits the reviews.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Intel touts that MTL should perform at 28W of power.

RPL-P does that as well.
682's struggle sub-20W but that's expected given neither Core nor Atom are anywhere near efficient enough close to Vmin.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Intel touts that MTL should perform at 28W of power.

The question is how It performs, because 6+8 Raptor P also exist.
Considering they still use 2+8 for weaker CPU tile, then I have to wonder about efficiency and performance at <20W.

Personally, I would have liked 4+8 and 8+8 tiles better.

 

[Mopetar]

So basically it's the typical CES launch but they moved the launch date into 2024 to placate people.

Did you mean 2023? From what I saw the first chips are launching mid-December, but they probably won't have the full rollout before we're several months into 2024.

A performance peek would have been nice, but with actual products still 3 months out it's understandable that they wouldn't want to Osborne their current CPUs and annoy their OEM customers.

 

[igor_kavinski]

it's understandable that they wouldn't want to Osborne their current CPUs and annoy their OEM customers.

Yeah. I saw 13th gen laptops start appearing just a few months ago. 2023 will be the year of RPL laptops, except for a lucky few who get their hands on MTL laptops.

 

[SiliconFly]

And for the first time, Pat showed a system running Windows 11 on a Lunar Lake CPU!

Isn't it a bit too early for an ES!

 

[jpiniero]

Did you mean 2023? From what I saw the first chips are launching mid-December, but they probably won't have the full rollout before we're several months into 2024.

A performance peek would have been nice, but with actual products still 3 months out it's understandable that they wouldn't want to Osborne their current CPUs and annoy their OEM customers.

2023 yeah. Until today I thought they would at least try to do a quasi paper launch and maybe have a couple low volume devices available for the holiday shopping season. They are apparently unable to do even that.

 

[poke01]

Happy with MTL. Of course won't ship in volume till Q1 2024

 

[DrMrLordX]

Happy with MTL.

Based on what?

 

[SiliconFly]

Like Pat said, MTL is an AI PC

He also mentioned something about working closely with Microsoft to fully utilize MTL's NPU and something's coming. Did that mean Windows 12 by any chance?

 

[Mopetar]

Based on what?

That it's an announcement that isn't delaying something for another year. Intel just being able to deliver something on time is hopefully a return to form for the company.

 

[Abwx]

And for the first time, Pat showed a system running Windows 11 on a Lunar Lake CPU!

Isn't it a bit too early for an ES!

Casing of this PC is indeed lunar, look extracted from some Appolo spacecraft, anyway nice vintage look...

Next-Gen-Prozessoren: Intel zeigt Arrow Lake in Intel 20A und lauffähigen Lunar Lake

Intel Arrow Lake wird die nächste Consumer-CPU für den breiten Markt. Einen Wafer mit Testchips zeigt der Hersteller zur Hausmesse.

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