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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

ModelCode-NameDateTDPNodeTilesMain TileCPULP E-CoreLLCGPUXe-cores
Core Ultra 100UMeteor LakeQ4 202315 - 57 WIntel 4 + N5 + N64tCPU2P + 8E212 MBIntel Graphics4
?Lunar LakeQ4 202417 - 30 WN3B + N62CPU + GPU & IMC4P + 4E08 MBArc8
?Panther LakeQ1 2026 ??Intel 18A + N3E2CPU + IOD + MC4P + 8E4?Arc12



Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Meteor LakeArrow Lake (20A)Arrow Lake (N3B)Arrow Lake Refresh (N3B)Lunar LakePanther Lake
PlatformMobile H/U OnlyDesktop OnlyDesktop & Mobile H&HXDesktop OnlyMobile U OnlyMobile H
Process NodeIntel 4Intel 20ATSMC N3BTSMC N3BTSMC N3BIntel 18A
DateQ4 2023Q1 2025 ?Desktop-Q4-2024
H&HX-Q1-2025
Q4 2025 ?Q4 2024Q1 2026 ?
Full Die6P + 8P6P + 8E ?8P + 16E8P + 32E4P + 4E4P + 8E
LLC24 MB24 MB ?36 MB ??8 MB?
tCPU66.48
tGPU44.45
SoC96.77
IOE44.45
Total252.15



Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake

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As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

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Oh no, @A///'s not gonna get his MTL laptop this year, unless he camps right outside Microcenter's front door on launch day.
I had really hoped that this year all manufacturers would have the MTL version of the laptop available for sale, but as is usually the case with Intel - just wait. They've been recycling the Intel Xe graphics for 3 years, which is too much, it's too much :laughing:.
 

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Well, they basically recycled the A380. I hope it at least brings some IPC improvements, AKA Alchemist Refresh. If not, boohoo!
At least that will bring a more significant leap. Up until the MTL, they were using practically the same architecture, meaning from the Tiger Lake processor, and they are falling far behind the competition.
 

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I'm disappointed.I was hoping for more details about RedwoodCove and the IPC growth curve as with GoldenCove.However, I understand that detailed information about GoldenCove was available at the time of AlderLake's release.They cleverly went ahead and left more details for the December premiere.
 
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jpiniero

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Yeah, but still zero performance slides for x86 cores is abysmal to say the least. I cannot remember a "launch|/unveiling that intel did in the past that had so little x86 info.

Doesn't seem like you are going to get any of those kind of details until it's release in December.
 

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Yeah, but still zero performance slides for x86 cores is abysmal to say the least. I cannot remember a "launch|/unveiling that intel did in the past that had so little x86 info.
And some were looking forward to it so much, sacrificing their otherwise rich and fulfilling day for Pat, and he gave them only crumbs :(, a sad day for the biggest optimists and fans of the blues.
 

TESKATLIPOKA

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I expected they will show us Meteor Lake SKU details and some performance numbers.
What we got is that IGP is 2x better, but nothing more detailed.
So in the end, we know basically nothing about MTL performance or efficiency.
 

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Only for the GPU tile. So if I had to guess, expect RPL performance but 20-30% more efficient.
Intel touts that MTL should perform at 28W of power.

If that is the case its mind blowing efficiency. But, we'll find out when it hits the reviews.
 

TESKATLIPOKA

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Intel touts that MTL should perform at 28W of power.
The question is how It performs, because 6+8 Raptor P also exist.
Considering they still use 2+8 for weaker CPU tile, then I have to wonder about efficiency and performance at <20W.

Personally, I would have liked 4+8 and 8+8 tiles better.
 

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So basically it's the typical CES launch but they moved the launch date into 2024 to placate people.

Did you mean 2023? From what I saw the first chips are launching mid-December, but they probably won't have the full rollout before we're several months into 2024.

A performance peek would have been nice, but with actual products still 3 months out it's understandable that they wouldn't want to Osborne their current CPUs and annoy their OEM customers.
 

jpiniero

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Did you mean 2023? From what I saw the first chips are launching mid-December, but they probably won't have the full rollout before we're several months into 2024.

A performance peek would have been nice, but with actual products still 3 months out it's understandable that they wouldn't want to Osborne their current CPUs and annoy their OEM customers.

2023 yeah. Until today I thought they would at least try to do a quasi paper launch and maybe have a couple low volume devices available for the holiday shopping season. They are apparently unable to do even that.
 

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Like Pat said, MTL is an AI PC :joycat:

He also mentioned something about working closely with Microsoft to fully utilize MTL's NPU and something's coming. Did that mean Windows 12 by any chance?
 
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And for the first time, Pat showed a system running Windows 11 on a Lunar Lake CPU!

Isn't it a bit too early for an ES! :dizzy:

Casing of this PC is indeed lunar, look extracted from some Appolo spacecraft, anyway nice vintage look...

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