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Hope that's at least two sockets. 4 would make more sense, but not so many of those sold anymore (kinda big-iron like database stuff).
 
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The actual press release doesn't explicitly mention these solutions for Xeon in particular (that's wccftech's usual "additions"). 2000W cooling would likely be more applicable for GPU/HPC. An H100 already consumes ~700W, and that's a single monolithic die. With multiple dies and increasing power density on newer nodes, easy to see demand for that level of cooling towards end of the decade or so. CPUs will probably top out around the 1000W range for the foreseeable future.

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Exist50 said:
The actual press release doesn't explicitly mention these solutions for Xeon in particular (that's wccftech's usual "additions"). 2000W cooling would likely be more applicable for GPU/HPC. An H100 already consumes ~700W, and that's a single monolithic die. With multiple dies and increasing power density on newer nodes, easy to see demand for that level of cooling towards end of the decade or so. CPUs will probably top out around the 1000W range for the foreseeable future.

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So datacenters are using GPUs..?..

Because it s explicitely said by Intel, in the article that you linked, that it s also dedicated for this segment, so much for WCCF "additions" :

“It’s always that thing we’re going to do in the future. We believe we’ve reached a time where liquid cooling must play a much bigger role in the data center.”
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nicalandia said:
Yes, Threadripper Pro 7000 series will be a good gaming COU
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Sounds promising, I will probably wait for that at the very least. And then make a decision on what to get once both HEDT platforms are out.
 
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Exist50 said:
Yes? Absolutely. What do you think the H100 is being used in?

Intel said "datacenter". Wccftech said "Xeon". See the difference?
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Are you kidding.?..

From your link :

In 2021, Intel announced a collaboration with Submer, an industry leader in immersion cooling, to work on Submer-cooled Intel® Xeon® processors in data centers. In January 2022, Intel announced an agreement with Green Revolution Cooling (GRC) to design and implement custom cutting-edge immersion cooling techniques in future data centers and edge deployments. Also in 2022, Intel delivered an industry-first immersion warranty rider for Intel Xeon processors and won its first sustainability deals over competition with large global customers, including Microsoft and Alibaba.
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Intel said "datacenter". Wccftech said "Xeon". See the difference?
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Your intuition was correct, but you focused on the wrong path as you were expecting Wccftech to use more common sense. Intel was talking about CPU cooling in the datacenter, at least part of the press release specifically mentions CPUs:
Another approach Intel researchers are pursuing uses arrays of fluid jets to cool the highest-power devices. Unlike typical heat sinks or traditional cold plates that pass fluid over a surface, the cooling jets route fluid directly at the surface. The thermal lid that contains the jets can be attached directly to the top of a standard lidded package, eliminating thermal interface material and reducing thermal resistance. With multi-chip modules becoming increasingly difficult to cool, this technology can be customized for each construction and can target hot spots effectively, enabling the processor to run at a lower temperature with a 5% to 7% increase in performance for the same power.
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“Enabling and innovating aggressive and scalable thermal technologies is the need of the hour to align with the exponential increase in power expected by processors over the next decade,” said Tejas Shah, lead thermal architect for Intel’s Super Compute Platforms group. “Intel is at the vanguard of improving and standardizing this technology, which is existentially important for our future.”
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The catch is... Wccftech appears to have pulled the 2000W figure out of their... collective memory. The intel press release does not mention the 2000W figure, they hype advanced cooling tech in general.

It was clickbait folks, and we fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
 
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Abwx said:
Are you kidding.?..

From your link :
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That's talking about past work, not anything for 2000W chips.
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Your intuition was correct, but you focused on the wrong path as you were expecting Wccftech to use more common sense. Intel was talking about CPU cooling in the datacenter, at least part of the press release specifically mentions CPUs:
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"Processors" need not be CPUs.
 
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Actually, I take it back, Intel did mention a 2 kilowatt cooling capacity for next-generation architectures.
 
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Oh also, Puget should be releasing their W3400 review soon, and hardware luxx should be releasing a more extensive 56 core xeon power scaling review, so we should be getting a lot more info and data about SPR soon.
 
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Oh also, Puget should be releasing their W3400 review soon
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They did one a while ago.

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Intel Xeon W-3400 Content Creation Preview

Intel has announced their latest Xeon processor families, including the W-2400 and W-3400 lines. While there is still several months to go before the sales embargo, we are able to give a preview of how these processors perform in various content creation applications.
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They did one a while ago.

www.pugetsystems.com

Intel Xeon W-3400 Content Creation Preview

Intel has announced their latest Xeon processor families, including the W-2400 and W-3400 lines. While there is still several months to go before the sales embargo, we are able to give a preview of how these processors perform in various content creation applications.
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preview doesn't have pwr draw info :c
 
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nicalandia said:
It does.

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Sorry I should have specified. Not by application it doesn't, which the review for the 2400 series did.
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The drawback of Ryzen, TR maybe epyc has been the iod watts that's drowned it. I'm excited to see what Intel offers up aside from what @DrMrLordX said about sapphire being stillborn. knee slap joke that one.

I've had a particularly stressful and terrible week and even the worst intel news is good. TR7000 TR Pro will be dead in water if it's only available through oems and not diy channels. AMD keeps effing around with their customers.

Intel may not perform as well but you get a ton more expandability with Xeon than you do and better memory channeling or did.
 
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Intel may not perform as well but you get a ton more expandability with Xeon than you do and better memory channeling or did.
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Intel's best HEDT is on par with Threadripper Pro 5000 series. Yet Intel still segmenting their lineup? Locked SKUS, Quad Channel SKUS? With Threadripper Pro every CPU gets the same feature set and... unofficially you can put two of them on a Server motherboard. Heck dual Threadripper Pro 3000 is doing greater than 100,000 points in Cinebench R23 at Stock...
 
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nicalandia said:
Intel's best HEDT is on par with Threadripper Pro 5000 series. Yet Intel still segmenting their lineup? Locked SKUS, Quad Channel SKUS? With Threadripper Pro every CPU gets the same feature set and... unofficially you can put two of them on a Server motherboard. Heck dual Threadripper Pro 3000 is doing greater than 100,000 points in Cinebench R23 at Stock...
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the way i see it is it's more variety from intel even if it doesn't look it. why pay for extra features you'll never use? If I had to go down this route today and had a reason the 3495 is more tempting even with its power use over a TR platform that was meant for oems and is nearly 2 years old and if I couldn't see a real need for an epyc platform or wait for TR 7000 late this year.

amd remainding tr5000 to pro aka oems only was a dumb decision and they'll likely repeat it with tr 7000 unless they wake up and smell the fresh coffee. If amd is smart they'll release tr 7000 not as pro or pro but available to the normal person in retail packaging. And offer all the good stuff of the pro line and more as standard. If AMD can undercut Intel's 3495x with their 96 core tr 79 whatever they'll be the better choice. The number one complaint about TR as a platform for years for people who still stuck with xeon was the lack of channels and capacity.

8 channels, 4-6 TB memory capacity, 96 cores, high clocks with affordable mobos similar to Xeon's workstation boards all for under $5.5K excluding board and cooler and you've got yourself a dang winner winner chicken dinner.
 
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