Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[dullard]

There is a 3000 series that has the full 8 channels. This is probally the "LCC" - 24 cores and half the memory channels and lanes. It's still going to be a very big die for 10 nm. Whether these products make sense to buy versus say Threadripper Pro is an open question sure.

Edit: And pretty sure Xeon W has always been 1S only.

You are correct. Here is the 3000 series with 8 channels.

 

[nicalandia]

There is a 3000 series that has the full 8 channels.

The 8 channel 20 and 24 core versions are locked(can't be OC) so that's not very HEDT

 

[Geddagod]

The 8 channel 20 and 24 core versions are locked(can't be OC) so that's not very HEDT

Is being overclockable really a staple of HEDT?

 

[nicalandia]

So you post a picture listing four -X processors and post that -X is not going to happen in the same post? Please expand on what it is you are trying to say. Otherwise what you posted looks like gibberish. It seems like you are trying to add opinions as fact without stating your opinions.

Those are Workstation-X, not the same as HEDT-X as Their past X299. Where they did not have the Word Xeon on them.. These are Unlocked Xeons(And just a few of them)

I guess we will still wait for that Raptor Lake-X based on that monster 34C Monolithic die.

 

[jpiniero]

If Intel makes any Core branded SPR products, it'd basically be like the Xeon W 2000 Series albeit with ECC disabled.

 

[nicalandia]

Is being overclockable really a staple of HEDT?

It clearly was back on the days of X299 which is not that long ago(2017)

 

[dullard]

Those are Workstation-X, not the same as HEDT-X as Their past X299. Where they did not have the Word Xeon on them.. These are Unlocked Xeons(And just a few of them)

I guess we will still wait for that Raptor Lake-X based on that monster 34C Monolithic die.

Ah, so you are complaining about a marketing word. Gotcha. Silicon is silicon, the rest is marketing.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Is being overclockable really a staple of HEDT?

Yes, absolutely.

There have been overclockable Xeon-W chips, like the W-3175X.

 

[Geddagod]

It clearly was back on the days of X299 which is not that long ago(2017)

I thought that stability was the most important part of HEDT/workstation considering that these people use their systems for prosumer or professional work.

 

[eek2121]

Nice to see Intel gradually beginning to compete. Having an alternative to Threadripper will be nice...IF the price is right. A bit dissapointing on the Raptor Lake refresh. That means no Intel 4 desktop products next year, or possibly at all?

 

[nicalandia]

That means no Intel 4 desktop products next year, or possibly at all?

I believe they will release an obscure Mobile MTL in China.. As for Desktop parts? We may not see them until the end of 2024

 

[Geddagod]

Nice to see Intel gradually beginning to compete. Having an alternative to Threadripper will be nice...IF the price is right. A bit dissapointing on the Raptor Lake refresh. That means no Intel 4 desktop products next year, or possibly at all?

I'm really starting to think Intel 4 desktop products won't exist... at all.
With ARL desktop rumored to use TSMC 3nm, meaning a 2024 launch definitely is possible, what's the point of releasing an Intel 4 desktop processor as well, with less cores and a worse architecture? Unless you really compress the launch schedule into a 2-3 quarters...

 

[nicalandia]

I'm really starting to think Intel 4 desktop products won't exist... at all.
With ARL desktop rumored to use TSMC 3nm, meaning a 2024 launch definitely is possible.

Arrow Lake in 2024? That's a 2025 product.

 

[igor_kavinski]

With ARL desktop rumored to use TSMC 3nm, meaning a 2024 launch definitely is possible, what's the point of releasing an Intel 4 desktop processor as well, with less cores and a worse architecture?

TSMC 3nm and Intel 4 products could co-exist to meet volume. Depends on whether Intel has enough TSMC 3nm wafer allocation.

 

[Geddagod]

Arrow Lake in 2024? That's a 2025 product.

Desktop is rumored to use TSMC 3nm. 2024 launch is possible.
Mobile 20A could be end of 2024. Manufacturing ready 1H 2024, ~1H to ramp, ~1H to full volume, launch end of 2024 and high availability 2025.

 

[nicalandia]

Desktop is rumored to use TSMC 3nm. 2024 launch is possible.
Mobile 20A could be end of 2024. Manufacturing ready 1H 2024, ~1H to ramp, ~1H to full volume, launch end of 2024 and high availability 2025.

Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs until then... Which is really not bad, because RTL is a pretty good CPU Design

 

[nicalandia]

AWS Activates 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable Processors for New EC2 R7iz Instances

Nov. 29, 2022 — Amazon Web Services (AWS) announced the private preview of Amazon EC2 R7iz instances powered by 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable processors, code-named Sapphire Rapids. R7iz instances […]

www.hpcwire.com

Amazon EC2 r7iz.2xlarge - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an Amazon EC2 r7iz.2xlarge with an Intel Xeon processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Can any of you get a hold of a large core instance and test it for us?? According to the info. Those are all-core turbo frequency up to 3.9 GHz

Going by the L3$ Size this means that this is a 32 Core CPU.


They have a maximum of 128 Cores so that means they are running a 4S System.

Introducing Amazon EC2 R7iz instances

aws.amazon.com

 

[jpiniero]

Intel "Raptor Lake-S Refresh" confirmed for Q3 2023, Sapphire Rapids HEDT specs leaked - VideoCardz.com

Roadmaps for Intel’s consumer, workstation and data-center products have been leaked The rumors were true, Intel is indeed launching a refreshed Raptor Lake-S processors next year. The socket longevity will be extended for another series. This is what the new leaked Intel roadmap appears to...

videocardz.com

Videocardz got all the slides. It confirms that HEDT is being discontinued. You could still buy the Xeon W instead.

 

[coercitiv]

That means no Intel 4 desktop products next year, or possibly at all?

In case the folks around here need a reminder of what Intel's plans looked like just 1 year ago, here's their roadmap as described at Intel's Accelerated event in the summer of 2021. Intel 4 was supposed to ramp up in 2022 and deliver products in H1 2023. And that's the updated timeline, after they had already announced a ~12 month delay at the end 2020.



It feels like 2017 all over again, only this time at least they have better contingency plans both in terms of design and manufacturing. Looking forward to Intel 7+ in 2023.

 

[Geddagod]

In case the folks around here need a reminder of what Intel's plans looked like just 1 year ago, here's their roadmap as described at Intel's Accelerated event in the summer of 2021. Intel 4 was supposed to ramp up in 2022 and deliver products in H1 2023. And that's the updated timeline, after they had already announced a ~12 month delay at the end 2020.

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It feels like 2017 all over again, only this time at least they have better contingency plans both in terms of design and manufacturing. Looking forward to Intel 7+ in 2023.

Intel 4 is being used in other products than just Meteor Lake IIRC, horse creek falls.
This timeline does NOT indicate that Intel claimed MTL was going to be delivered in 1H 2023.
And Intel, so far, HAS followed that timeline. They claimed Intel 4 would be manufacturing ready by 2H 2022... and ye that is what they just very recently claimed they were at.
Intel definitely faced delays, but from what they specifically "announced" there are no delays at all. They never committed to a date for Meteor Lake other than 2023. I highly doubted they wanted to release ANOTHER alder lake refresh after raptor lake.
I think they have been pretty careful with their commitments though, with respect to release dates, with Pat Gelsinger.

 

[dullard]

Arrow Lake in 2024? That's a 2025 product.

It certainly could be a 2025 product, but Intel keeps saying 2024:

Intel Technology Roadmaps and Milestones

At Investor Meeting 2022, Intel shared details on its product and process technology roadmaps and milestones that will drive growth across business segments.

www.intel.com

Meteor Lake will ship in 2023, and Arrow Lake will follow in 2024.

Meteor Lake is boring for me. Sure some interesting packaging, but the real gains will be Arrow Lake.

 

[dullard]

In case the folks around here need a reminder of what Intel's plans looked like just 1 year ago, here's their roadmap as described at Intel's Accelerated event in the summer of 2021. Intel 4 was supposed to ramp up in 2022 and deliver products in H1 2023. And that's the updated timeline, after they had already announced a ~12 month delay at the end 2020.

Did you see the updated version that came out this week? Not much change, but 18A was moved forward from Q3 2025 to H2 2024. Yet, you needed to highlight a delay from years ago in your post?

 

[coercitiv]

Yet, you needed to highlight a delay from years ago in your post?

Yes, I did. Funny you should call it a "delay from years ago" when it was about their Intel 4 process.

Anyway, my point was related to Intel's consumer desktop roadmap and the use of Intel 4 in their mix. If the node is in such good shape as you say, why are we getting a Raptor Lake refresh instead of a proper tick?

 

[nicalandia]

Yes, I did. Funny you should call it a "delay from years ago" when it was about their Intel 4 process.

Anyway, my point was related to Intel's consumer desktop roadmap and their use of Intel 4 in their mix. If the node is in such good shape as you say, why are we getting a Raptor Lake refresh instead of a proper tick?

Perhaps MTL is a Mobile Only CPU?

 

[ondma]

Nice to see Intel gradually beginning to compete. Having an alternative to Threadripper will be nice...IF the price is right. A bit dissapointing on the Raptor Lake refresh. That means no Intel 4 desktop products next year, or possibly at all?

The question is how will they "refresh" RL. It is already pushed to the max in frequency and power consumption.