Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[igor_kavinski]

I don't see how the 13900KS could compete.

It doesn't have to. "I got the first ever 6 GHz CPU" bragging rights. People love to brag.

 

[nicalandia]

Young Pat..

 

[nicalandia]

Linus and Pat

 

[Carfax83]

How much more can they wring out of it... 6 GHz for 13900KS vs 5.8 GHz for 13900K is only 3.4% higher clocks. V-cache alone is +15% roughly. I don't see how the 13900KS could compete.

Do what AMD did and pair review kits with ultra fast DDR5. DDR5 7200 is going to be available next month after all.

First time in my life that I've ever seen the vast majority of reviewers intentionally deviate from stock settings for launch reviews.😳

Not saying there's anything wrong with it per say, it was just different and abnormal.

 

[nicalandia]

Ummm... Pat where is Sapphire Rapids? Where??

 

[igor_kavinski]

First time in my life that I've ever seen the vast majority of reviewers intentionally deviate from stock settings for launch reviews.😳

The samples were probably given with the understanding or even strong "advice" to test with provided RAM kits.

Not doing that would mean no future samples.

 

[cebri1]

I'd say pretty strong showing. We'll see if this is the tipping point. They clearly need to ramp all those new nodes up or they will be at a chronic perf/watt disadvantage despite having great chips.

 

[nicalandia]

I'd say pretty strong showing. We'll see if this is the tipping point. They clearly need to ramp all those new nodes up or they will be at a chronic perf/watt disadvantage despite having great chips.

Pat forgot about Sapphire Rapids Update... Their biggest net income producer was MIA on that Keynote.

 

[eek2121]

It doesn't have to. "I got the first ever 6 GHz CPU" bragging rights. People love to brag.

Unless AMD beats them to it.

 

[jpiniero]

Pat forgot about Sapphire Rapids Update... Their biggest net income producer was MIA on that Keynote.

Pretty obvious it's a 2023 product now.

😉

 

[nicalandia]

Unless AMD beats them to it.

Not until Zen5 if, the 7800X3D will not have a 6Ghz clock speed, but then again with those Toon/Ridiculous performance it really does not need to be that fast.

The 5800X3D is still and will remain KING on MS Flight Simulator even after the 13900KS is release, you just can't beat that type of performance.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Unless AMD beats them to it.

That will be surprising. I think TSMC has so far shown that they can't improve a process continually to deliver higher speeds. Otherwise, newer Zen 3 steppings would clock higher and AMD could release XT SKUs.

 

[LightningZ71]

N4 update/revision to N5 MIGHT be able to improve speed binning enough for an official 6Ghz product in volume, but, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[cebri1]

Pat forgot about Sapphire Rapids Update... Their biggest net income producer was MIA on that Keynote.

I don’t think there is much to add about Shappire. Do you want them to unveil it again?

 

[eek2121]

Pretty obvious it's a 2023 product now.

😉

Absolute shame. I am honestly surprised they managed to launch both Alder Lake and Raptor Lake, but have so many issues with Sapphire Rapids.

Not until Zen5 if, the 7800X3D will not have a 6Ghz clock speed, but then again with those Toon/Ridiculous performance it really does not need to be that fast.

The 5800X3D is still and will remain KING on MS Flight Simulator even after the 13900KS is release, you just can't beat that type of performance.

That will be surprising. I think TSMC has so far shown that they can't improve a process continually to deliver higher speeds. Otherwise, newer Zen 3 steppings would clock higher and AMD could release XT SKUs.

There is more of a chance than you think 😉

 

[moinmoin]

AMD likes to copy Intel's bad ideas. The KS chips are specially binned chips otherwise completely identical with already existing chips, released later with limited quantity. Who says AMD definitely won't copy that approach as well? (I don't want it but I already can see it coming.)

 

[Carfax83]

The samples were probably given with the understanding or even strong "advice" to test with provided RAM kits.

Not doing that would mean no future samples.

And I have no problem with that to be honest, because most gamers and enthusiasts won't be running Jedec memory speeds and timings.

However, the IF frequency increase is another matter entirely. That seems like they were using overclocking to get an edge.

We have no idea how common or uncommon Zen 4 CPUs ability to run the IF at 2ghz will be and whether it will cause instability over the long term.

 

[nicalandia]

There is no way a 13900KS will beat the 5800X3D on MS Flight Simulator and the 7800X3D will just build a lead on top of that, there is really no need for a 6 Ghz Zen4 CPU

 

[coercitiv]

We have no idea how common or uncommon Zen 4 CPUs ability to run the IF at 2ghz will be and whether it will cause instability over the long term.

What happened to asking for Intel CPUs to be compared at the maximum DDR5 OC speed the silicon is capable of? Where was your healthy concern for long term system stability?

 

[RTX]

AMD likes to copy Intel's bad ideas. The KS chips are specially binned chips otherwise completely identical with already existing chips, released later with limited quantity. Who says AMD definitely won't copy that approach as well? (I don't want it but I already can see it coming.)

What's wrong with that? More binning is beneficial to the consumer.

 

[nicalandia]

Intel Now Shipping Ponte Vecchio And 4th Generation Xeon Processors To Argonne National Laboratory

Intel Now Shipping Ponte Vecchio And 4th Generation Xeon Processors To Argonne National Laboratory

Intel has achieved a major milestone today by announcing that its Data Center GPU, aka Ponte Vecchio (PVC) is finally shipping in blade servers to Argonne lab. PVC GPUs from Intel are based on the Xe HPC architecture and will be used to power the Argonne supercomputer to upwards of petaFLOP of...

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When will this beast power on at full capacity?

 

[moinmoin]

What's wrong with that? More binning is beneficial to the consumer.

Nothing wrong per se. I'm just not a believer in high frequency at any power cost, whole lot of waste of energy to me.

 

[Kocicak]

Pretty obvious it's a 2023 product now.

😉

Will this product with such a delay be still relevant in the next year market? Will anybody buy it?

 

[Spicedaddy]

There is no way a 13900KS will beat the 5800X3D on MS Flight Simulator and the 7800X3D will just build a lead on top of that, there is really no need for a 6 Ghz Zen4 CPU

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I think 13900K closes the gap is MSFS. Clock speed + extra cache... We'll see, i haven't seen benchmarks yet. My guess it's 5% behind 5800X3D, while Alder Lake was 20%.

 

[Carfax83]

What happened to asking for Intel CPUs to be compared at the maximum DDR5 OC speed the silicon is capable of? Where was your healthy concern for long term system stability?

I got no issues with overclocking anything. The consumers can do whatever they want with their products. If I myself buy a Raptor Lake based rig, you can be sure I will pair it with a DDR5 kit that is at least running at 6800mhz.

However, when a manufacturer intentionally tells launch reviewers to run their products out of spec, that could be problematic because it's portraying the product in a non official state.

What happens if some Zen 4 CPUs can't run their IF at 2ghz due to instability? Zen 3s optimal IF speed was 1900mhz if I recall, resulting in a memory speed of DDR4 3800 using 1:1 ratio, but not all could hit that speed:

What is your max infinity fabric on ryzen 5000? September 2021 edition

And AMD never specified reviewers to review Zen 3 out of stock. Reviews used DDR4 3200 with the IF set to 1600mhz. What changed with Zen 4 to make them deviate from established policy like this?