AlltheWay LeeWhy
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I've ran AMD graphics cards for the last 10years. Only recently moved to an Nvidia workstation card because the AMD update from my AMD WX-4100 only uses 4lanes and 4GB of memory. And honestly, it's kinda ugly.Hint, look at their signature. Intel only and already going Raptor Lake. Intel could sell poo and some people would buy it. Like Rocket Lake.
But then the 14th floor is really the 13th floor. lololShould Intel skip 13 and call Raptor Lake 14th gen for good/better luck? My residential building does not have a 13th floor. At least, not that I know of. Haven't really taken the stairs to investigate.
Ominous indeed. Much clouded the future of Intel Lakes is. Recommend professional exorcism.And what's really creepy is - this is the top of thread page 666.
Pictures that prove Rocket Lake was an amazing platform if you grabbed the right mobo and right mem kits - I realize for most enthusiasts RKL was a true dud, but it didn't have to be.Perhaps I am wrong. It's happened. It will happen again. I can tell you that probably no one likes you taking up all that space with pictures.
The AMD part is a little fishy. Even if they were cutting APU and GPU orders, you would think they would be able to shift to more Milan and consoles.
If Milan suddenly became a lot more available, that would be real bad news for Intel's server business, you would think.
Maybe i'm getting old and my memory is faulty, but didnt rocketlake gen11 lose handily to Zen3 both in gaming and almost everything else when both were maxed tweaked/overclocked ? (no i dont consider aida64 as a "benchmark") And when Alder Lake got released it got slaughtered in everything but corner case AVX512 ? (and when you disable e-cores on the early 12gen 12900k's we get same story even in avx512 workloads)Dood you won't even come close to my "very old and ancient" RKL build for a million years, so why you keep talking?
Woah. ADL mobile is barely faster than Zen 3 (plain Zen 3! Not even 3+!) in Linux and consumes considerably more power. Abysmal
Do you have the aida64 pic for 5866CL22 1T?RKL was extremely poor, unless you grabbed an ROG Z590 Apex motherboard and a small number of very QVL specific high-speed mem kits.
Haters gonna hate, I guess.
5066 CL17, 5333 CL19, 5600 CL20, 5866 CL21 all possible with ambient air.
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Maybe the third e-core is gracemont or a new one.. triple core design like arm ? 🤔Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake Mobility CPU Details Leaked: Coming In 2H 2023 With Triple Hybrid-Core Design, Up To 14 Cores, Xe-LPG GPUs & LPDDR5X-7467 Support
The Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake CPU lineup consisting of the U, P & H-series mobile chips will be launching in the second half of 2023.wccftech.com
It says "LP E-cores" and references "Low-power island CPU offload". I.e. these are the SOC die Atom cores (Gracemont or Crestmont) I've mentioned previously. @dullard, I recall you were skeptical of their existence. Hopefully this puts those doubts to rest.Maybe the third e-core is gracemont or a new one.. triple core design like arm ? 🤔Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake Mobility CPU Details Leaked: Coming In 2H 2023 With Triple Hybrid-Core Design, Up To 14 Cores, Xe-LPG GPUs & LPDDR5X-7467 Support
The Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake CPU lineup consisting of the U, P & H-series mobile chips will be launching in the second half of 2023.wccftech.com
For the latest devices, they're using three difference architectures with the X series, A7xx series, and A5xx series.Quite different. ARM ecosystem has small cores, big cores, and for high end a single biggest core.
If accurate, seems like Intel is going for a mix that covers peak single threaded perf for one cluster, sheer compute density for another, and power efficiency for the new future cluster.
Huh, wonder if Intel uses Intel 7 for all their internal documents for Meteor Lake still or if this is an old one.Maybe the third e-core is gracemont or a new one.. triple core design like arm ?Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake Mobility CPU Details Leaked: Coming In 2H 2023 With Triple Hybrid-Core Design, Up To 14 Cores, Xe-LPG GPUs & LPDDR5X-7467 Support
The Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake CPU lineup consisting of the U, P & H-series mobile chips will be launching in the second half of 2023.wccftech.com
I am missing details on the reference to "Low-power island CPU offload" for the power supply. Basically, are these LP E-cores limited to the VPU or can it be used for general purpose computing? I'm confused by (A) the 6+8 tile, (B) two LP E cores, and (C) a maximum of 14 cores. (A) + (B) != (C)It says "LP E-cores" and references "Low-power island CPU offload". I.e. these are the SOC die Atom cores (Gracemont or Crestmont) I've mentioned previously. @dullard, I recall you were skeptical of their existence. Hopefully this puts those doubts to rest.
Basically, are these LP E-cores limited to the VPU or can it be used for general purpose computing?
My guess is that these are specialized Atom cores acting like accelerators so it may not be possible to run general purpose workloads on them.Intel VPU For AI Inferencing With Atom Cores
It's mentioned on the "continued..." slide, further down the page. Also, here's a link to the original Igor'sLAB post.I am missing details on the reference to "Low-power island CPU offload" for the power supply. Basically, are these LP E-cores limited to the VPU or can it be used for general purpose computing? I'm confused by (A) the 6+8 tile, (B) two LP E cores, and (C) a maximum of 14 cores. (A) + (B) != (C)
I was a bit skeptical simply because I wanted something concrete to go off of. I always err on the side of a less powerful CPU until more details arise.
It does seem that you were correct that the extra size of the SOC is due to the VPU. I guessed a VPU was on Meteor Lake, but it might be the 4th tile. You did correct me saying the 4th tile was not a VPU but that the VPU might be in the SOC.
I can imagine possibilities. I assume the uses will be limited at first until more developers start to use them.What is the purpose of this VPU, anyway? Will it just be an enhancement of the Windows Hello feature to allow face login or will it be something more sinister, like giving your webcam access to Windows and let it keep watch on you and your surroundings for whatever software requires that feature?
AFAICT, only WCCF Tech / Hassan Mujtaba have said that the VPU is related in any way to the Atom cores. That's not in the slides leaked by Igor'sLAB, and it doesn't make much sense. Why would you use general purpose x86 cores for an AI accelerator? Do previous Movidius Myriad VPUs employ Atom cores?My guess is that these are specialized Atom cores acting like accelerators so it may not be possible to run general purpose workloads on them.
What is the purpose of this VPU, anyway? Will it just be an enhancement of the Windows Hello feature to allow face login or will it be something more sinister, like giving your webcam access to Windows and let it keep watch on you and your surroundings for whatever software requires that feature?
Indeed, you were also skeptical about a higher core count Meteor Lake die for the desktop in the absence of concrete details.I always err on the side of a less powerful CPU until more details arise.
These cores have absolutely nothing to do with the VPU. They're just normal CPU cores that live on the SoC die.I am missing details on the reference to "Low-power island CPU offload" for the power supply. Basically, are these LP E-cores limited to the VPU or can it be used for general purpose computing? I'm confused by (A) the 6+8 tile, (B) two LP E cores, and (C) a maximum of 14 cores. (A) + (B) != (C)
I was a bit skeptical simply because I wanted something concrete to go off of. I always err on the side of a less powerful CPU until more details arise.
It does seem that you were correct that the extra size of the SOC is due to the VPU. I guessed a VPU was on Meteor Lake, but it might be the 4th tile. You did correct me saying the 4th tile was not a VPU but that the VPU might be in the SOC.