Guesses on Tigerlake if they move to the split L2 configuration.
Ian has his article about Tigerlake's die.
Damn, so the Xe iGPU is even more area efficient than I thought. Seems to be under 50mm2. Actually, I'm getting 46-48mm2. So that's something like a 15% increase. In comparison, Gen 11 is 41-43mm2(41mm2 according to wikichip).
Ian is getting 146mm2 for the whole die, which is actually what I got. Out of the ~24mm2 increase, 8mm is due to Willow Cove cores. The increase is pretty much as I said back in post #3831
Looks like Intel arranged Tigerlake in a way that's easier to add cores.
Addendum: At 38mm2 vs 48mm2, the CPU portion is almost as large as the GPU portion. So much for the iGPU taking up majority of die space. This is because the iGPU scales better.
Thats pretty good no? 47mm^2 = 2tflops.
If intel put out a dice similar in size to a 5700xt (251mm ^2) that would be a 10.7tflop gpu before the benefit of dedicated TDP.
anyone want to take a wild guess at tflops and die size for the supposed 512 eu part haha
didn't ashraf also say Raja wanted to "enter the market with a bang" - When i talked to him at the analyst day he said they would focus on entry to enthusiast in discrete gpus first and then work their way up the stack in successive years.
Which goes back to my earlier question? What does a 512 eu gpu look like?
I own stocks of Apple and AMD so yes, before I invest my money I like to go through the numbers first. Anyway you wrote that server market is more lucrative, which was lie because smartphone market is 7x bigger. Then you changed that to margins but you never wrote numbers. So here we go:I'm sure you knew those numbers too before you looked them up . I already changed lucrative to margins. You either don't understand the difference or conveniently ignored that. If anyone should be ashamed, it should be you because of your ignorance and misinformation.
It's not about believes but about measured numbers. That +82% IPC advantage is based on SPECint results here at Anandtech. CPU frequencies are known too so everybody can calculate that (A13 runs at 2.65, 9900K at 5 GHz, 3950X at 4.6-4.65 GHz). Please feel free come up with your interpretation. I hope you know how to calculate percentage, do you?You claim 82% as if it is fact. No one believes that but you. Also, Jim Keller is a rock star, but he is not a magician. He needs a team of talent and vision. No one man creates a CPU. Does Intel have that? I think so. Their roadmap looks promising if they can get their manufacturing figured out.
I hope you know how to calculate percentage, do you?
Intel has a huge deficit especially in uarch development. Ice Lake brings only +18% IPC over Coffie Lake and about +25% over 2015 Sky Lake (after 5 years). That's poor 5% IPC increase per year. Another 5-8% with Tiger Lake (Willow Cove) looks also very bad. Cortex A77 jumped +25% from its A76 predecessor in one single year (A77 matched Coffie Lake IPC so we are talking about improvement of very powerfull 4xALU OoO ARM core, not about some slow 2xALU in-order junk). This year will be unveiled A78 with another +25% increase what means generic Cortex core will have higher IPC than Intel for the first time. At time of Golden Cove will enter market in 2022 they will do two another +25% jumps (+56% IPC total). And we know from Apple A13 analysis that there is 82% IPC potential hanging low enough to be picked so it's realistic and doable. And that's not good for Intel future even Golden Cove would bring +20% IPC jump. That's not enough still.
You've already been warned once today about dragging threads off topic with your Apple speculation, and here you're doing it again just a few hours later. Stop.
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Because their manufacturing process is currently not up to it.Tiger Lake, Willow Cove, whatever you want to call it. It could be a great product if Intel cared enough to make desktop CPUs, but all they care about is laptop. Fact is, only AMD makes a desktop-first CPU (RyZen, lots of cores, no iGPU crap). If Tiger Lake is so great, why won't Intel make something more substantial than some 2-core, 4-core rubbish? What AMD 4800H has shown is that even a tiny laptop chip can fit 8 cores, but Intel's latest and greatest is the same 4 core nonsense? Tiger Lake has some merit on paper: 18% IPC vs Skylake and 4.3 GHz shouldn't be more than 10% behind 4.8-5.0 GHz Zen3; but why won't Intel make some real CPUs with it? I'm talking 16-32 cores, 100-200 W.
Tiger Lake, Willow Cove, whatever you want to call it. It could be a great product if Intel cared enough to make desktop CPUs, but all they care about is laptop. Fact is, only AMD makes a desktop-first CPU (RyZen, lots of cores, no iGPU crap). If Tiger Lake is so great, why won't Intel make something more substantial than some 2-core, 4-core rubbish? What AMD 4800H has shown is that even a tiny laptop chip can fit 8 cores, but Intel's latest and greatest is the same 4 core nonsense? Tiger Lake has some merit on paper: 18% IPC vs Skylake and 4.3 GHz shouldn't be more than 10% behind 4.8-5.0 GHz Zen3; but why won't Intel make some real CPUs with it? I'm talking 16-32 cores, 100-200 W.
Zen 3 is not out yet. Do you just like to troll ?Where can you buy those 5 ghz zen 3? Oh, wait, it doesnt exist.
You will never be able to.Where can you buy those 5 ghz zen 3? Oh, wait, it doesnt exist.
didn't ashraf also say Raja wanted to "enter the market with a bang"
Intel normally splits its CPUs into categories, such as H-series for 35W/45W TDP parts, U-series for 15W and 28W hardware, and Y-series for less than that. Those names are still used externally, however Intel has stated to us in conversation that they want to move away from that segmentation as a marketing message.
Which means with ADL all mobile chips will be ULV ones instead of how they are currently.Intel: 28 W Ice Lake Core i7-1068G7 Coming Q1
www.anandtech.com
It could explain why they have been ADL-UH renamed into ADL-P! No more U and H segments.
Intel: 28 W Ice Lake Core i7-1068G7 Coming Q1
www.anandtech.com
It could explain why they have been ADL-UH renamed into ADL-P! No more U and H segments.
Which means with ADL all mobile chips will be ULV ones instead of how they are currently.
Well would you look at that, they realised that they'd need to ensure that -H aren't the just binned desktop chips they are currently.
Zen 3 is not out yet. Do you just like to troll ?
I think Intel's 14nm is the last time you will see 5Ghz, on silicon anyway. AMD and Intel are both going wider, which holds back clocks. But that's fine since you will have more throughput. 5Ghz isn't some magic number. At the end of the day, the part that gets the most work done for your use is the best part for you.do you think zen 3 is going to hit 5ghz? single core? all core?
Regardless of what I think, thisd is not the place to discuss that.do you think zen 3 is going to hit 5ghz? single core? all core?
Please tell me that was just a typo. Till then I can't react normally.Tiger Lake, Willow Cove, whatever you want to call it. It could be a great product if Intel cared enough to make desktop CPUs, but all they care about is laptop. Fact is, only AMD makes a desktop-first CPU (RyZen, lots of cores, no iGPU crap). If Tiger Lake is so great, why won't Intel make something more substantial than some 2-core, 4-core rubbish? What AMD 4800H has shown is that even a tiny laptop chip can fit 8 cores, but Intel's latest and greatest is the same 4 core nonsense? Tiger Lake has some merit on paper: 18% IPC vs Skylake and 4.3 GHz shouldn't be more than 10% behind 4.8-5.0 GHz Zen3; but why won't Intel make some real CPUs with it? I'm talking 16-32 cores, 100-200 W.