lol this doesnt even warrant response. I'm not trying to teach a basic mba class in investing in this thread. Maybe we can go back to talking technicals on the company's products. I get enough lopsided hate there.
Read about Semi-Custom APU, AMD Van Gogh, appearing in MacOS Catalina Beta 3, alongside ALL of previous AMD APU kexts.Any decent proof of this or again just ppl throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. Intel wouldn't be buying back $20bln of stock and the new director wouldn't do a $10mln dollar personal purchase under these circumstances.
You guys just make something up then chatter about it endlessly as if its already truth. When proven wrong you all are on the next rumor. track records in here are terrible.
And again if you want to chatter about this - it should be a different thread. This thread (i thought) was about the future intel products, not intel's demise based on unverified rumors.
What are mods doing?
lol this doesnt even warrant response. I'm not trying to teach a basic mba class in investing in this thread. Maybe we can go back to talking technicals on the company's products. I get enough lopsided hate there.
More interesting is the X86 and X86-64 and SSE2 patents expiring next year, meaning moving forward, Apple could create their own x86 chips, like China is doing.Read about Semi-Custom APU, AMD Van Gogh, appearing in MacOS Catalina Beta 3, alongside ALL of previous AMD APU kexts.
Then read articles saying that Apple will ditch Intel.
Next, make educated conclusion about what is happening.
You will have proof for this. Stop acting as you have eaten all of the brains in the world, because clearly not knowing what Apple is doing with AMD APUs in Catalina Beta proves that the only clueless one on this topic is you.
Read about Semi-Custom APU, AMD Van Gogh, appearing in MacOS Catalina Beta 3, alongside ALL of previous AMD APU kexts.
Then read articles saying that Apple will ditch Intel.
Next, make educated conclusion about what is happening.
You will have proof for this. Stop acting as you have eaten all of the brains in the world, because clearly not knowing what Apple is doing with AMD APUs in Catalina Beta proves that the only clueless one on this topic is you.
Let me put this in the easiest way to break down.I have no doubt apple is testing AMD and also testing arm. They have been rumored to be leaving intel for years. Testing != changeover. You speak as if its a certainty. It's speculation.
This I do agree with. It is speculative until more information comes out. With that said, looking at their 28-core desktop Mac pro versus AMD's 3970X or the upcoming 64-core variant, Apple looking to AMD is logical, which I think is where a lot of speculation comes from.I have no doubt apple is testing AMD and also testing arm. They have been rumored to be leaving intel for years. Testing != changeover. You speak as if its a certainty. It's speculation.
That, at most, stands for the proposition of a single product line, not a whole transfer over to a new supplier. I know that is splitting hairs, but look to Microsoft's surface for a similar example. This year, it wasn't great. Next year with Zen 2, it should really close the performance gap, to a degree.Let me put this in the easiest way to break down.
Apple ordered Semi-Custom APU from AMD, that is named Van Gogh. The fact that Apple has put all of previous AMD APU kexts into the OS is for simple reason.
To test the stability of software not if, but when they will switch from Intel to AMD CPUs.
Its a done deal. You may deny this how much you want.
There is no uncertainty.That, at most, stands for the proposition of a single product line, not a whole transfer over to a new supplier. I know that is splitting hairs, but look to Microsoft's surface for a similar example. This year, it wasn't great. Next year with Zen 2, it should really close the performance gap, to a degree.
As such, Apple may be hedging on the fight being so close, that way they are ready to make moves if Intel's shortages take even longer than Dell's estimates of H2 2020 or Intel failing on the 7nm node.
But there is lots of uncertainty there until more is known.
There is no uncertainty.
Its always baffling for me, how hard is it for people to see obvious things painted on the wall.
Apple NEVER does things without a reason. Why did they put Semi-Custom APU kexts into Mac OS Catalina?
Because they have engineering Samples in their labs. Why did they ordered semi-custom APU at AMD? Because they start to switch from Intel to AMD as a CPU supplier. If they wouldn't and just testing things, they would just use semi-hackintoshed hardware, and use all of previous AMD hardware WITHOUT ORDERING the design and manufacturing of Van Gogh APUs.
Van Gogh is just the start. ALL of upcoming Apple computers will be based on AMD Hardware: CPU and GPU.
Mac Mini, iMac, iMac Pro, MacBooks are due for an update in 2020. Guess when, is Apple "rumored" to start transition from Intel to AMD CPUs in their computers?
Apple was rumored two to three years ago to go to arm in 2020. Rumors are rumors.There is no uncertainty.
Its always baffling for me, how hard is it for people to see obvious things painted on the wall.
Apple NEVER does things without a reason. Why did they put Semi-Custom APU kexts into Mac OS Catalina?
Because they have engineering Samples in their labs. Why did they ordered semi-custom APU at AMD? Because they start to switch from Intel to AMD as a CPU supplier. If they wouldn't and just testing things, they would just use semi-hackintoshed hardware, and use all of previous AMD hardware WITHOUT ORDERING the design and manufacturing of Van Gogh APUs.
Van Gogh is just the start. ALL of upcoming Apple computers will be based on AMD Hardware: CPU and GPU.
Mac Mini, iMac, iMac Pro, MacBooks are due for an update in 2020. Guess when, is Apple "rumored" to start transition from Intel to AMD CPUs in their computers?
how about they are testing the hardware.
It wouldn't be in Catalina beta unless hardware validation is complete. It's at least vaguely on-topic because it means that at least certain segments of future Mac products won't be exclusively based on IceLake-U/Y or TigerLake-U. Intel can't give them more than four cores without resorting to 14nm, so Apple is making the obvious move.
Eh, I think it's more likely Van Gogh is replacing the -H series in the Macbook Pro, in such a limited thermal design they'd surely get much better clocks out of Van Gogh then they are out of the i9s that currently make up that lineup.
There were NEVER ARM references in MacOS. Can you stop spreading BS? Or at least stop making stuff up.how about they are testing the hardware. Testing does not mean they are transitioning lol. I recall their being ARM references in macos for years. And years of arm transition speculation without it happening. Again you are speculating based on certain data points. That does not mean its a certainty. And can you please take this out of the thread and start a new one if you are so certain about this?
Mods?
You realize that the MacOS kexts are only for GPUs and their codenames?Apple was rumored two to three years ago to go to arm in 2020. Rumors are rumors.
As I said, you have, at most, a single product line using that. You have zero proof of it extending beyond that.
I mentioned it making sense for their workstation line to start using AMD HEDT, but that is logical. Similar with Apple servers.
But there are some areas where making the switch already isn't justified. Also Intel will bend over backwards to maintain a substantial client.
So I don't think saying Apple will move to all AMD is justified, yet. This is something that needs monitored, not shouted as an absolute or screaming doom and gloom yet.
The reason for ordering Van Gogh is simple. Now they have SINGLE package. CPU+GPU+HBM2 stacks on one, single package. Simplifies cooling, power management, HBM2 saves tons of power(4W per stack vs 5W's per GDDR6 module(4W's vs 20W's) which allows power budget to go either to CPU or to GPU.Eh, I think it's more likely Van Gogh is replacing the -H series in the Macbook Pro, in such a limited thermal design they'd surely get much better clocks out of Van Gogh then they are out of the i9s that currently make up that lineup.
At a minimum. I wouldn't think Apple is thrilled with the prospect of IceLake-U or IceLake-Y either. TigerLake-U, sure. I could see them using that for lower core counts.
I can see a MacBook, which would be below MacBook Air in the Apple lineup, on ARM, but I have a problem with this concept.But I think the ARM Macbook rumours have some grounding. I won't claim to know, but I think there is a possibility we'll see them go that route for the Macbook Air specifically.
Forget about future Intel based Macs. Its a done deal that was in the making for past 5 years.
There is a good reason why Apple is testing Van Gogh, Semi-Custom APU, that they have ordered the design from AMD.
There were NEVER ARM references in MacOS. Can you stop spreading BS? Or at least stop making stuff up.
What is AMD Van Gogh, then? Is it on any roadmap from AMD? Why would be there any release date if it is Semi-Custom chip?Weird, I had not heard they ordered a design from AMD and this was a done deal. Do you have a article on what they ordered and the approximate release date?
What is AMD Van Gogh, then? Is it on any roadmap from AMD? Why would be there any release date if it is Semi-Custom chip?
Did MS and Sony ever announced specific dates of release of their Semi-Custom chips, ordered from AMD?
This is for, drum roll, T2 chips.Apple Adds ARM Support to macOS Sierra Kernel
Apple has added support for an ARM chip to the macOS Sierra 10.12 kernel.www.iclarified.com
Again, show me a roadmap where Van Gogh exists?So you're just making up that it's a "done deal" and you have no articles regarding Apple placing an order for a new chip design with AMD? You never answered the questions. It's a yes or no.