Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[witeken]

Aren't they meant to deliver a ARM test chip based on the A75 at 3.5GHz soonish

Well, they've already delivered one that does ">3.3GHz", it seems.

From RTL tot tape out in 14 weeks.

 

[Dayman1225]

Well, they've already delivered one that does ">3.3GHz", it seems.

From RTL tot tape out in 14 weeks.

The EETimes article from ArmTechCon specifically mentions 3.5GHz on 10nm test chip by EOY, still waiting :/

ARM will deliver IP to enable a Cortex-A55 geared for midrange smartphones to run up to 2.35 GHz or down to 0.45V in its so-called 22FFL process. ARM is already helping make in Intel’s flagship 10nm process a test chip due out before the end of the year using a next-gen Cortex-A SoC running at 3.5 GHz or 0.5V and delivering 0.25mW/MHz.

 

[formulav8]

Where's Cannon Lake? Intel said it would be released this year I thought?

 

[raghu78]

A75 achieves over 3.3ghz, and that's obviously made with the SoC flavor of 10nm.

Right now Intel 10nm execution is abysmal and they are only doing PR stunts. CNL is an unmitigated disaster. I think the first gen 10nm takes the cake for the process in the worst shape to launch production in the last 10 years. 2.2 Ghz max turbo on a 2C chip at 15w. lol. Ridiculous.

 

[french toast]

Right now Intel 10nm execution is abysmal and they are only doing PR stunts. CNL is an unmitigated disaster. I think the first gen 10nm takes the cake for the process in the worst shape to launch production in the last 10 years. 2.2 Ghz max turbo on a 2C chip at 15w. lol. Ridiculous.

That can't be accurate, that's beyond ridiculous, that's the worst new CPU release in history if true.
That's why I think it's fud.

 

[jpiniero]

That can't be accurate, that's beyond ridiculous, that's the worst new CPU release in history if true.
That's why I think it's fud.

Yeah, It's just a PR release so they can say they produced something on 10 nm. The real release is in June.

 

[DeadlyTitan]

what do you think about intel's 8 core 16 thread i7's and 6 core 12 threads i5's in 2019? I read some rumors about them.

 

[DrMrLordX]

what do you think about intel's 8 core 16 thread i7's and 6 core 12 threads i5's in 2019? I read some rumors about them.

Ummmm . . . hard to say? Presumably you are talking about Icelake. Might be too little, too late.

 

[DeadlyTitan]

Ummmm . . . hard to say? Presumably you are talking about Icelake. Might be too little, too late.

yes, probably ice lake but honestly intel line up is so messed up right now that i dont even know what their next gen is going to be.

 

[Lovec1990]

As far i know things in PC world we should wait 4 years and then upgrade becouse then we will probably get DDR 5 Ram and Pci-e 5.0

 

[DrMrLordX]

yes, probably ice lake but honestly intel line up is so messed up right now that i dont even know what their next gen is going to be.

All I know is it's going to be awhile. 8700k will probably be their best desktop CPU until Q2/Q3 2019.

 

[DeadlyTitan]

All I know is it's going to be awhile. 8700k will probably be their best desktop CPU until Q2/Q3 2019.

Well that is assuming ryzen does not release a 12 core 24 thread CPU with zen 2, which will be this q4 2018, well they are still rumors.

 

[DeadlyTitan]

As far i know things in PC world we should wait 4 years and then upgrade becouse then we will probably get DDR 5 Ram and Pci-e 5.0

well there are certain things that make me upgrade
- Current gen cpu is twice as fast as my current cpu
- Current Gen have more cores and is at least 30% faster than my CPU
- New revolutionizing technologies available.

Other than that i am not much compelled to upgrade. maybe the reason being where i live computer parts costs a lot like a really lot. A GTX 1080 Ti Starts upwards of $1200 USD and i7 8700 costs as much as $500 USD. and the absence of used market.

 

[ehume]

What's the word on Whiskey Lake these days? Last I saw it was an unconfirmed rumor.

 

[Dayman1225]

What's the word on Whiskey Lake these days? Last I saw it was an unconfirmed rumor.

It appeared in HWInfo, apparently CNL uncore based on 14nm+++ last I heard

 

[ehume]

It appeared in HWInfo, apparently CNL uncore based on 14nm+++ last I heard

Thanks for that. Boy, Intel 10nm must truly be bad. That'll be, what, the 5th generation of 14nm systems, starting with Broadwell?

 

[DeadlyTitan]

Thanks for that. Boy, Intel 10nm must truly be bad. That'll be, what, the 5th generation of 14nm systems, starting with Broadwell?

yes tell me about it.. It seems that if they can get away with it then intel will keep making 14nm++++++ based cpu's.

 

[Lodix]

It appeared in HWInfo, apparently CNL uncore based on 14nm+++ last I heard

Is there any official info about 14nm+++ from Intel ?

Well that is assuming ryzen does not release a 12 core 24 thread CPU with zen 2, which will be this q4 2018, well they are still rumors.

He was talking about Intel. But if I were you I would not be expecting Zen 2 before 1Q 2019. GF is going to start risk production of their 7nm next year, even if they claim mas production in 2H 2018 it is not likely to be any product launch next year.

 

[Dayman1225]

Is there any official info about 14nm+++ from Intel ?

Nope!

 

[mikk]

It appeared in HWInfo, apparently CNL uncore based on 14nm+++ last I heard

PCWatch wrote Whiskey Lake is based on 14nm++ (OEM source). From where did you get 14nm+++?

According to OEM manufacturer sources, Whiskey Lake says it will be manufactured with 14 nm ++.

https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/ubiq/1099371.html

 

[.vodka]

So... Whiskey Lake is supposed to be the last Skylake iteration, right?

 

[french toast]

Intel roadmap and codenames have confused the hell out of me.
Intel have got themselves in a right old mess here, don't think I have seen this before from them.
If whiskey lake is another skylake generation, when does It launch? What are the specs and why the hell is this 14nm ++ product launching after 10nm cannon lake?...where does icelake fit into this? Coffeelake s?
What a confusing mess.

 

[.vodka]

The world was alright when we had codenames based on landmarks, then dales, fields, bridges, wells... and then the lakes attacked. Too many lakes across multiple product lines and segments. Even if their roadmap is a mess lately, come on, there could be a bit more naming creativity going on... not asking for much here. If we're this confused, imagine Intel's internal turmoil! Not being able to get 10nm working as intended sure is tearing them apart from the inside.

That cannonlake report... 2C, 2.2GHZ part at 15w is just.. I don't think there's a word to describe how bad that is. Until this mess is fixed, they could keep iterating on Skylake and refining 14nm forever. I mean, they did just that with Netburst for five or six years, although this time it's a fine product... yet I doubt there's another Conroe up next, and they've mostly hit a frequency ceiling at ~5GHz. Much more difficult hole to get out of this time around.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The world was alright when we had codenames based on landmarks, then dales, fields, bridges, wells... and then the lakes attacked. Too many lakes across multiple product lines and segments.

We are drowning in lakes.

To the poster(s) wondering why Intel would release Whiskey Lake *after* Cannonlake, the only reason I can see for that is to offer a product refresh as an effective replacement for the failed Cannonlake. You will probably not see Cannonlake products that you would actually want to buy, own, or use.

 

[IntelUser2000]

So... Whiskey Lake is supposed to be the last Skylake iteration, right?

Whiskey Lake isn't even an iteration of Skylake. It is basically Skylake. The core has zero changes.The fact that its on 14nm++ means there's no change even on the process side. If there's any saved-by-the-bell scenario, it would be because the PCH sounds quite decent. The problems are such that they didn't even plan for the third 14nm improvement, because they honestly didn't expect it.

I've skimmed through the PCWatch article.

-No Icelake in 2018
-U cancelled, original was Y and U, but now is only Y, expected in middle of 2018
-Whiskey Lake comes instead for the U products, replacing Kabylake Refresh

I'd expect, Q2 2019 for Icelake Y, Q3 2019 for Icelake U and -SP, Q4 2019 for Icelake S. Some people are expecting Icelake S chips by end of 2018, but I don't see it. If they are really willing to push the schedule, April for Y and June for U may be possible. They couldn't make Icelake in 2018, which is why Whiskeylake is coming. Does anyone expect a very high clocked Icelake to do any better?

To the poster(s) wondering why Intel would release Whiskey Lake *after* Cannonlake, the only reason I can see for that is to offer a product refresh as an effective replacement for the failed Cannonlake.

Whiskeylake = 15W
Cannonlake = 5.2W

That's why Whiskeylake is coming along with Cannonlake.

It seems that if they can get away with it then intel will keep making 14nm++++++ based cpu's.

There is a difference between incompetence and malice.