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witeken said:
A75 achieves over 3.3ghz, and that's obviously made with the SoC flavor of 10nm.
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Right now Intel 10nm execution is abysmal and they are only doing PR stunts. CNL is an unmitigated disaster. I think the first gen 10nm takes the cake for the process in the worst shape to launch production in the last 10 years. 2.2 Ghz max turbo on a 2C chip at 15w. lol. Ridiculous.
 
raghu78 said:
Right now Intel 10nm execution is abysmal and they are only doing PR stunts. CNL is an unmitigated disaster. I think the first gen 10nm takes the cake for the process in the worst shape to launch production in the last 10 years. 2.2 Ghz max turbo on a 2C chip at 15w. lol. Ridiculous.
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That can't be accurate, that's beyond ridiculous, that's the worst new CPU release in history if true.
That's why I think it's fud.
 
Lovec1990 said:
As far i know things in PC world we should wait 4 years and then upgrade becouse then we will probably get DDR 5 Ram and Pci-e 5.0
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well there are certain things that make me upgrade
- Current gen cpu is twice as fast as my current cpu
- Current Gen have more cores and is at least 30% faster than my CPU
- New revolutionizing technologies available.

Other than that i am not much compelled to upgrade. maybe the reason being where i live computer parts costs a lot like a really lot. A GTX 1080 Ti Starts upwards of $1200 USD and i7 8700 costs as much as $500 USD. and the absence of used market.
 
Dayman1225 said:
It appeared in HWInfo, apparently CNL uncore based on 14nm+++ last I heard
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Is there any official info about 14nm+++ from Intel ?
DeadlyTitan said:
Well that is assuming ryzen does not release a 12 core 24 thread CPU with zen 2, which will be this q4 2018, well they are still rumors.
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He was talking about Intel. But if I were you I would not be expecting Zen 2 before 1Q 2019. GF is going to start risk production of their 7nm next year, even if they claim mas production in 2H 2018 it is not likely to be any product launch next year.
 
Intel roadmap and codenames have confused the hell out of me.
Intel have got themselves in a right old mess here, don't think I have seen this before from them.
If whiskey lake is another skylake generation, when does It launch? What are the specs and why the hell is this 14nm ++ product launching after 10nm cannon lake?...where does icelake fit into this? Coffeelake s?
What a confusing mess.
 
The world was alright when we had codenames based on landmarks, then dales, fields, bridges, wells... and then the lakes attacked. Too many lakes across multiple product lines and segments. Even if their roadmap is a mess lately, come on, there could be a bit more naming creativity going on... not asking for much here. If we're this confused, imagine Intel's internal turmoil! Not being able to get 10nm working as intended sure is tearing them apart from the inside.

That cannonlake report... 2C, 2.2GHZ part at 15w is just.. I don't think there's a word to describe how bad that is. Until this mess is fixed, they could keep iterating on Skylake and refining 14nm forever. I mean, they did just that with Netburst for five or six years, although this time it's a fine product... yet I doubt there's another Conroe up next, and they've mostly hit a frequency ceiling at ~5GHz. Much more difficult hole to get out of this time around.
 
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.vodka said:
The world was alright when we had codenames based on landmarks, then dales, fields, bridges, wells... and then the lakes attacked. Too many lakes across multiple product lines and segments.
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We are drowning in lakes.

To the poster(s) wondering why Intel would release Whiskey Lake *after* Cannonlake, the only reason I can see for that is to offer a product refresh as an effective replacement for the failed Cannonlake. You will probably not see Cannonlake products that you would actually want to buy, own, or use.
 
.vodka said:
So... Whiskey Lake is supposed to be the last Skylake iteration, right?
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Whiskey Lake isn't even an iteration of Skylake. It is basically Skylake. The core has zero changes.The fact that its on 14nm++ means there's no change even on the process side. If there's any saved-by-the-bell scenario, it would be because the PCH sounds quite decent. The problems are such that they didn't even plan for the third 14nm improvement, because they honestly didn't expect it.

I've skimmed through the PCWatch article.

-No Icelake in 2018
-U cancelled, original was Y and U, but now is only Y, expected in middle of 2018
-Whiskey Lake comes instead for the U products, replacing Kabylake Refresh

I'd expect, Q2 2019 for Icelake Y, Q3 2019 for Icelake U and -SP, Q4 2019 for Icelake S. Some people are expecting Icelake S chips by end of 2018, but I don't see it. If they are really willing to push the schedule, April for Y and June for U may be possible. They couldn't make Icelake in 2018, which is why Whiskeylake is coming. Does anyone expect a very high clocked Icelake to do any better?

To the poster(s) wondering why Intel would release Whiskey Lake *after* Cannonlake, the only reason I can see for that is to offer a product refresh as an effective replacement for the failed Cannonlake.
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Whiskeylake = 15W
Cannonlake = 5.2W

That's why Whiskeylake is coming along with Cannonlake.

It seems that if they can get away with it then intel will keep making 14nm++++++ based cpu's.
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There is a difference between incompetence and malice.
 
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