Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Thunder 57]

Fact is, in spite of their last 5 years of "success", their desktop+laptop cpu market share is still at a measly 12%. AMD has a long way to go before they can make a real dent. And considering they're about to lose the window of opportunity, the road ahead doesn't look very favorable to them.

Zen isn't sufficient anymore. They need to pull something bigger than a rabbit out of the hat. Just saying.

I edited my previous post but now I feel the need to say it. Why are you trolling AMD in an Intel thread?

 

[SiliconFly]

I edited my previous post but now I feel the need to say it. Why are you trolling AMD in an Intel thread?

Honestly I didn't start it and I never will. I'm just replying to Intel trolls in a Intel thread. It's natural & might even be considered a necessity!

I just wonder why some get the compulsion to troll Intel and compare it with "superior" AMD in a Intel thread. Beats me.

 

[FangBLade]

Honestly I didn't start it and I never will. I'm just replying to Intel trolls. I just wonder why some get the compulsion to troll Intel and compare it with "superior" AMD in a Intel thread. Beats me.

I have a pretty good picture of who you are; I've been following your writing style and you're slowly revealing your true colors , what you do in other places.

 

[SiliconFly]

I have a pretty good picture of who you are; I've been following your writing style and you're slowly revealing your true colors , what you do in other places.

At this day and age, I would consider it a huge privilege to have fans!

 

[FangBLade]

At this day and age, I would consider it a huge privilege to have fans!

It's not hard to guess who you are because you're doing it very loudly. Such individuals are a minority; on every forum, there are at most 2 highly problematic ones, everything else is acceptable.

 

[SiliconFly]

I have a pretty good picture of who you are; I've been following your writing style and you're slowly revealing your true colors , what you do in other places.

But to be frank, I've yet to come across any real Intel fans. They just don't exist anymore. Looks like that species is headed towards extinction. Maybe I'm the last of the kind! 😱

 

[Thunder 57]

But to be frank, I've yet to come across any real Intel fans. They just don't exist anymore. Looks like that species is headed towards extinction. Maybe I'm the last of the kind! 😱

"Fans" are stupid. I buy whoever offers the better value. And I can assure you there are Intel fans on this very forum. I won't say and names because that would probably get me in trouble.

 

[FangBLade]

But to be frank, I've yet to come across any real Intel fans. They just don't exist anymore. Looks like that species is headed towards extinction. Maybe I'm the last of the kind! 😱

There are a few on WCCFtech, at most three, everything else is people who flaunt titles just for the purpose of trolling, but in reality, they have no problem buying hardware from any company as long as it's good.

 

[H433x0n]

Fact is, in spite of their last 5 years of "success", their desktop+laptop cpu market share is still at a measly 12%. AMD has a long way to go before they can make a real dent. And considering they're about to lose the window of opportunity, the road ahead doesn't look very favorable to them.

Zen isn't sufficient anymore. They need to pull something bigger than a rabbit out of the hat. Just saying.

You're vastly outnumbered here, there is no point even getting into the argument since it's untenable.

I find it best to avoid these types of confrontations and focus on upcoming architectures & process technology.

 

[SiliconFly]

There are a few on WCCFtech, at most three, everything else is people who flaunt titles just for the purpose of trolling, but in reality, they have no problem buying hardware from any company as long as it's good.

I've checked wccftech comments section. Too much spam i feel.

And, I've been with Intel for a very long time. I even burnt my fingers once with an expensive Kaby Lake cpu laptop which was a total dud. ARL/RPL aren't that bad. Just got my hands on a 13700HX (with 4060 8GB). Power hungry but a real beast. Next stop ARL I guess. Hope the future lakes are better.

 

[gdansk]

Cool thing about Intel is they always have a lot of upcoming process technology.

Unfortunately sometimes it is the same upcoming process for 5 years. Even if MTL is available this fall it remains to be seen if the execution machine is back in working order.

 

[Saylick]

But to be frank, I've yet to come across any real Intel fans. They just don't exist anymore. Looks like that species is headed towards extinction. Maybe I'm the last of the kind! 😱

Ehhh, why support Intel when they still command a huge market share lead. A lot of consumers have the impression that AMD rules Intel because they've had the lead since Zen 3 in the desktop space and that Intel is now the underdog, but as far as I'm concerned AMD has a long way to go to be on the same stature as Intel.

Some people want Intel to be more competitive because competition benefits consumers; I agree. Where I disagree is that I think we're still nowhere close to having two equal corporations duking it out. The needle is still not quite pointing straight up on the Intel-AMD spectrum. It's like 80% on the Intel side.

 

[A///]

intel's confirmed micro archs for lunar lake apparently due next year... maybe pat meant intel would be playing with dodgems when he said that rear mirror malarky.

 

[dullard]

Some people want Intel to be more competitive because competition benefits consumers; I agree. Where I disagree is that I think we're still nowhere close to having two equal corporations duking it out. The needle is still not quite pointing straight up on the Intel-AMD spectrum. It's like 80% on the Intel side.

Ehhh, all of the people who prefer one company over the other are misguided anyways. Intel and AMD are on the same x86 team. It is them vs ARM. Any infighting between AMD and Intel just hastens the death of both. This petty bickering is trying to win one portion of one battle while totally ignoring the war.

 

[H433x0n]

Ehhh, why support Intel when they still command a huge market share lead. A lot of consumers have the impression that AMD rules Intel because they've had the lead since Zen 3 in the desktop space and that Intel is now the underdog, but as far as I'm concerned AMD has a long way to go to be on the same stature as Intel.

Some people want Intel to be more competitive because competition benefits consumers; I agree. Where I disagree is that I think we're still nowhere close to having two equal corporations duking it out. The needle is still not quite pointing straight up on the Intel-AMD spectrum. It's like 80% on the Intel side.

I don’t think AMD even wants to.

That’s one of my pet peeves when people dunk on Intel. They’ve done a lot more for computer science than just sell CPUs. They’ve provided a lot to the marketplace and computer science in general.

A lot of what people now take forgranted originated at Intel. Technologies such as USB, PCIe, ATX, etc. On the foundry side, historically they were the first to adopt the latest technologies to keeps Moore’s Law alive (the guiding principal of Moore’s law- also Intel). When a new standard appears such as PCIe5.0 or DDR5, Intel is the first to adopt it and then Intel hardware is what everybody else uses to validate their own stuff. They are the backbone of modern computer science.

 

[SiliconFly]

Ehhh, why support Intel when they still command a huge market share lead. A lot of consumers have the impression that AMD rules Intel because they've had the lead since Zen 3 in the desktop space and that Intel is now the underdog, but as far as I'm concerned AMD has a long way to go to be on the same stature as Intel.

Some people want Intel to be more competitive because competition benefits consumers; I agree. Where I disagree is that I think we're still nowhere close to having two equal corporations duking it out. The needle is still not quite pointing straight up on the Intel-AMD spectrum. It's like 80% on the Intel side.

80% is a bit too high I think. Intel was on the verge of collapse. If not for tiles (dis-aggregation), 20A, 18A, tGPU, etc, they'd still be doing 350W monolithic RPL refresh-refres-refresh on Intel 4+++ in 2025. Lucky for Intel, they changed tact. But, the results are yet to be proven.

We still don't know whether MTL will take, wether 20A & 18A will happen on time and most importantly wether their new P-core architecture will actually be good enough. Too many IFs. They're still not out of the woods yet. Intel has spread too thin too fast. And has a looong way to go. More so than AMD.

 

[Saylick]

80% is a bit too high I think. Intel was on the verge of collapse. If not for tiles (dis-aggregation), 20A, 18A, tGPU, etc, they'd still be doing 350W monolithic RPL refresh-refres-refresh on Intel 4+++ in 2025. Lucky for Intel, they changed tact. But, the results are yet to be proven.

We still don't know whether MTL will take, wether 20A & 18A will happen on time and most importantly wether their new P-core architecture will actually be good enough. Too many IFs. They're still not out of the woods yet. Intel has spread too thin too fast. And has a looong way to go. More so than AMD.

Nahh, they weren't close to collapse. Not with the US government around (Intel is the definition of too big to fail) and not with the pandemic bailing them out since AMD couldn't bring enough supply to take market share. In the OEM market, where the vast majority of volume is located, Intel has a commanding lead.

 

[dullard]

Nahh, they weren't close to collapse. Not with the US government around (Intel is the definition of too big to fail) and not with the pandemic bailing them out since AMD couldn't bring enough supply to take market share. In the OEM market, where the vast majority of volume is located, Intel has a commanding lead.

Despite all the gloom and doom of high power chips over the last several year, Intel still had two main things going for them: (1) they had chips and (2) the chips perform well, albeit at a lower power efficiency. The pandemic especially was helpful for Intel. Look where Intel's profit was high. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263565/intels-net-income-since-2004/ That isn't close to collapse. Not even remotely close.

Sure, Intel has a lot of catching up to do--on several fronts. But, calling Intel on "the verge of collapse" is so fundamentally wrong.

 

[H433x0n]

80% is a bit too high I think. Intel was on the verge of collapse. If not for tiles (dis-aggregation), 20A, 18A, tGPU, etc, they'd still be doing 350W monolithic RPL refresh-refres-refresh on Intel 4+++ in 2025. Lucky for Intel, they changed tact. But, the results are yet to be proven.

We still don't know whether MTL will take, wether 20A & 18A will happen on time and most importantly wether their new P-core architecture will actually be good enough. Too many IFs. They're still not out of the woods yet. Intel has spread too thin too fast. And has a looong way to go. More so than AMD.

I don't think monolithic is an issue for client desktop, it's still the most ideal configuration for these relatively small chips (<250mm^2). If they hadn't decided to go with a tiled architecture, I don't think that hurts them at all with client desktop.

 

[SiliconFly]

I don't think monolithic is an issue for client desktop, it's still the most ideal configuration for these relatively small chips (<250mm^2). If they hadn't decided to go with a tiled architecture, I don't think that hurts them at all with client desktop.

RPL refresh pretty much answers your statement. I feel RPL refresh shouldn't even exist at this day and age. It's the new Rocket Lake. More like ARL++ on 10++++. A disgrace if you ask me.

 

[A///]

80% is a bit too high I think. Intel was on the verge of collapse.

lay off the drugs mate. no one would allow intel to collapse. this isn't the dumbest post ive seen on this forum but it's up there on the list of bad takes.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's the new Rocket Lake.

Nope. RPL-R will upgrade a lot of 600/700 series mobos and prolong their useful life.

RKL was a far worse product in comparison.

 

[H433x0n]

RPL refresh pretty much answers your statement. I feel RPL refresh shouldn't even exist at this day and age. It's the new Rocket Lake. More like ARL++ on 10++++. A disgrace if you ask me.

We’re getting RPL refresh because of issues with MTL and it’s tiled architecture.

If MTL were monolithic, we’d likely be getting MTL-S in the next few months.

 

[igor_kavinski]

no one would allow intel to collapse.

God knows BK tried his best, along with Renduchintala.

But everyone kept buying the crap they churned out.

 

[A///]

why is there this persistent idea that mtl was due to be on desktop apart from some chart showing it that was ages old when it got into public hands?