Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Geddagod]

On bilibili there is one user who is telling Redwood Cove improves IPC by 8-9% in a mixed Int+FP workload over Golden Cove.

bilibili has a bunch of trollers. I don't go on bilibili much, so unless it's reposted by Harukaze on twitter, I don't pay much attention, and even then it's important to keep in mind its still rumor.
edit: not saying it can't be true, but you know...

 

[H433x0n]

On bilibili there is one user who is telling Redwood Cove improves IPC by 8-9% in a mixed Int+FP workload over Golden Cove. Another one said according to Dell MTL IPC impoves by about 10%.

The uplift is slightly more than it was going from GLC->RPC. I’m sure it’s possible to find workloads that exceed GLC by 8-10% but it won’t be the norm. On balance, it’s 2-5% IPC uplift over RPC (closer to 2%).

 

[A///]

What the heck is billibilli?

 

[H433x0n]

bilibili has a bunch of trollers. I don't go on bilibili much, so unless it's reposted by Harukaze on twitter, I don't pay much attention, and even then it's important to keep in mind its still rumor.
edit: not saying it can't be true, but you know...

For some reason my browser (edge) doesn't always translate bilibil so I can't even check. I've always wanted to snoop around Bilibili or Weibo but it seems too difficult as a westerner.

 

[mikk]

The latest clock speed rumor (and many other from Golden Pig Upgrade) came from there, just open the original source and you know what it is. It's a well known chinese video/screenshot sharing page.

 

[igor_kavinski]

What the heck is billibilli?

Chinese youtube mimicry.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Centrino....... that's a head scratcher for a reference.

Centrino was more of an evolutionary platform upgrade for Intel's mobile lineup than anything else. For some perspective, here's an old article sort-of discussing it:

What is the difference between Intel's Centrino and Core Duo?

What is the difference between Intel's Centrino and Core Duo?

www.cnet.com

Centrino had less to do with the CPU and more to do with the platform.

I think the "Centrino moment" comment is meant to take attention away from the actual CPU/SoC itself and instead asks the end-user to look at the platform as a whole, and how it is changing/improving versus what Intel offers with mobile Raptor Lake.

Just 4 months ago some people in this forum claimed Intel 4 is in almost the same shape as 10nm back in 2016

Based on how abysmally Intel 4 has performed to date in terms of launches, I'll stand by that. The only thing Intel never did was release a Cannonlake equivalent on Intel 4. Instead they just cancelled everything! Oh by the way enjoying your Meteor Lake yet? No? Because they're still not selling any.

 

[mikk]

Based on how abysmally Intel 4 has performed to date in terms of launches, I'll stand by that. The only thing Intel never did was release a Cannonlake equivalent on Intel 4. Instead they just cancelled everything! Oh by the way enjoying your Meteor Lake yet? No? Because they're still not selling any.

Are you aware Intel semi-official launched a dualcore Cannonlake-U with horrible clock speeds in 2018?`Imagine the clock speed back in 2016, maybe it couldn't even hit 2 Ghz at that time. You are comparing this crap to a 14C Meteor Lake close to its product launch hitting 5+ Ghz, really? If it's in a state like 10nm back in 2016 we wouldn't get Meteor Lake this or next year and nothing close to even 3 Ghz, don't you see the difference? Seriously, are you trolling or is it just a stupidity from your side? What a nonsense.

 

[jpiniero]

Are you aware Intel semi-official launched a dualcore Cannonlake-U with horrible clock speeds in 2018?`

That was a throwaway product, specifically binned as low as possible. And since it was locked there was no way to know what would have been possible.

Meteor Lake being a tiny die is helping for sure.

 

[A///]

Centrino was more of an evolutionary platform upgrade for Intel's mobile lineup than anything else. For some perspective, here's an old article sort-of discussing it:


Centrino had less to do with the CPU and more to do with the platform.

I think the "Centrino moment" comment is meant to take attention away from the actual CPU/SoC itself and instead asks the end-user to look at the platform as a whole, and how it is changing/improving versus what Intel offers with mobile Raptor Lake.

I know what Centrino was. I bought the damn things. It doesn't make sense the way pat is using the label. the first cntrino was the pentium m. the pentium m was a pinnacle mobile chip for Intel and in turn helped spur the design of core. pat mentioned a year ago meteorlake was the modern core movement for intel. intel based laptops are more cohesive than the competition's, I don't see the point in a customer needing to look at other things aside from the processor to know if it's good or not. intel laptops are available 10 to 1 to amd. no idea what gunslinger is yapping about. The only real benefit amd have here is longer battery life and lower thermals. but what's the point when their best laptops are hard to find?

 

[A///]

Chinese youtube mimicry.

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you'd think they'd come up with something original.

 

[Henry swagger]

On bilibili there is one user who is telling Redwood Cove improves IPC by 8-9% in a mixed Int+FP workload over Golden Cove. Another one said according to Dell MTL IPC impoves by about 10%.

At what clocks ? ...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Are you aware Intel semi-official launched a dualcore Cannonlake-U with horrible clock speeds in 2018?`Imagine the clock speed back in 2016, maybe it couldn't even hit 2 Ghz at that time. You are comparing this crap to a 14C Meteor Lake close to its product launch hitting 5+ Ghz, really? If it's in a state like 10nm back in 2016 we wouldn't get Meteor Lake this or next year and nothing close to even 3 Ghz, don't you see the difference? Seriously, are you trolling or is it just a stupidity from your side? What a nonsense.

I don't like playing the heavy, so I will try appealing to you as a fellow member instead of as a moderator.

No personal insults is a rule all of us should be following. Personal attacks do nothing to advance the discussions, and argumentum ad hominem is probably the weakest of all the debate fallacies. You make your points well, no need to get spicy.

 

[Thunder 57]

I know what Centrino was. I bought the damn things. It doesn't make sense the way pat is using the label. the first cntrino was the pentium m. the pentium m was a pinnacle mobile chip for Intel and in turn helped spur the design of core. pat mentioned a year ago meteorlake was the modern core movement for intel. intel based laptops are more cohesive than the competition's, I don't see the point in a customer needing to look at other things aside from the processor to know if it's good or not. intel laptops are available 10 to 1 to amd. no idea what gunslinger is yapping about. The only real benefit amd have here is longer battery life and lower thermals. but what's the point when their best laptops are hard to find?

Centrino was a P-M, an Intel chipset, and wifi IIRC.

 

[eek2121]

The uplift is slightly more than it was going from GLC->RPC. I’m sure it’s possible to find workloads that exceed GLC by 8-10% but it won’t be the norm. On balance, it’s 2-5% IPC uplift over RPC (closer to 2%).

The real story will be perf/watt.

These chips were never meant to have big IPC upgrades, though they do have some improvements in overall performance. MOST of the improvements appear to come from +2 additional “e”-cores and a higher all core clock vs. Raptor Lake.

Based on how abysmally Intel 4 has performed to date in terms of launches, I'll stand by that. The only thing Intel never did was release a Cannonlake equivalent on Intel 4. Instead they just cancelled everything! Oh by the way enjoying your Meteor Lake yet? No? Because they're still not selling any.

…and yet Meteor Lake and Intel 4 are on time and working as expected.

YouTube “leakers” about to be in shambles.

 

[mikk]

Introducing ARL-S Support: https://github.com/intel/gmmlib/commit/2864421df377dff9d3e17bee810392ec1bdf56ee


From the early software enabling work it is quite obvious we will see desktop first and then mobile for the ARL generation, it's a repeat of Alder Lake.

 

[controlflow]

Based on how abysmally Intel 4 has performed to date in terms of launches, I'll stand by that. The only thing Intel never did was release a Cannonlake equivalent on Intel 4. Instead they just cancelled everything! Oh by the way enjoying your Meteor Lake yet? No? Because they're still not selling any.

Its ok to admit to being wrong instead of doubling down on a silly take.

 

[A///]

Centrino was a P-M, an Intel chipset, and wifi IIRC.

Centrinos came with a sticker on the laptop chassis. It was like a certification that this is an intel through and through machine and we've certified it to work flawlessly without any grievances. In the earlier days it included much more than what you listed. Chipsets, form factor, wifi connector, minimum grade cpu with a specific gpu, etc. It was worth the money back then. Think back to the ultrabook sticker and requirements or the current Evo labeling. Certain components need to be present and be Intel branded. Intel does Evo now unless it's dead, but they also have a similar setup for intel based desktops. Amd does something with their laptops right now. nowadays it hardly matters but it was a measuring contest back in the day. laptop sales were always big.

 

[Thunder 57]

Centrinos came with a sticker on the laptop chassis. It was like a certification that this is an intel through and through machine and we've certified it to work flawlessly without any grievances. In the earlier days it included much more than what you listed. Chipsets, form factor, wifi connector, minimum grade cpu with a specific gpu, etc. It was worth the money back then. Think back to the ultrabook sticker and requirements or the current Evo labeling. Certain components need to be present and be Intel branded. Intel does Evo now unless it's dead, but they also have a similar setup for intel based desktops. Amd does something with their laptops right now. nowadays it hardly matters but it was a measuring contest back in the day. laptop sales were always big.

Wikipedia is certainly not infallible but those were all the requirements according to them.

 

[igor_kavinski]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T16-G2-in-review-Quiet-office-laptop-with-long-battery-life.739438.0.html

1355U beating 6650U with longer battery life using same battery capacity.



1340P vs. 6850U (I know, not really comparable), 1340P at least manages a small win in Load battery test.

1340P vs. 1240P, RPL wins in video playback despite smaller battery.

This improvement means the DLVR feature is finally working?

EDIT: Not really a win against any of the other CPUs since they are all set at higher TDP than the RPL CPUs.

 

[Abwx]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T16-G2-in-review-Quiet-office-laptop-with-long-battery-life.739438.0.html

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1355U beating 6650U with longer battery life using same battery capacity.

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1340P vs. 6850U (I know, not really comparable), 1340P at least manages a small win in Load battery test.

1340P vs. 1240P, RPL wins in video playback despite smaller battery.

This improvement means the DLVR feature is finally working?

That s because the 1240P is set at 20/14W while the 6850U is at 37/32W, on bursts the latter will use 2x the power and be faster even if that s useless for the considered tasks, on the load test it s not even mentioning, one will use 32W and the other 14W, and even less since it s 11W on battery (27W for the 6850U)...

So much for the "win"...

 

[igor_kavinski]

That s because the 1240P is set at 20/14W while the 6850U is at 37/32W

Great catch!

 

[A///]

i would have preferred an h265 test.

 

[SiliconFly]

Wikipedia is certainly not infallible but those were all the requirements according to them.

Evo isn't well received. Maybe Ultra will have a better chance.

 

[eek2121]

This should kill any rumors of Intel using TSMC N3 for uh...anything: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...ons-on-chips-thanks-to-unique-deal-with-tsmc/

The Information says that Apple was responsible for 23 percent of the $72 billion that TSMC made in 2022, making Apple "by far TSMC's largest customer." Reports have been circulating for months that Apple has bought up all of TSMC's 3 nm manufacturing capacity in the short term, and The Information reports that TSMC's 3 nm technology will be exclusive to Apple for "roughly a year" before there will be capacity to allow any other companies to use it.