Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Markfw]

Geez, this was announced back in February! Well, whatever else is going on, Intel is at least tacitly revealing that they know they are behind. What’s the saying, the beginning of wisdom is to admit your faults?

Except.... Remember "....AMD is in the rear view mirror and will stay there..." (or something like that)

 

[Schmide]

object in mirror are closer than it appears

 

[LightningZ71]

Suddenly I'm hungry for dinner. I guess we're having meatloaf tonight...

 

[dullard]

Except.... Remember "....AMD is in the rear view mirror and will stay there..." (or something like that)

Please try reading his quote and then coming back to this thread. Hint: he said client not server. This is at least the 2nd time you tried to pass that quote off on a server product.

 

[nicalandia]

Please try reading his quote and then coming back to this thread. Hint: he said client not server. This is at least the 2nd time you tried to pass that quote off on a server product.

Yeah, but is also in the record saying that AMD time is over with Sapphire Rapids..

“And yeah, AMD has done a solid job over the last couple of years. We won’t dismiss them of the good work that they’ve done, but that’s over with Alder Lake and Sapphire Rapids,” Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger

 

[Markfw]

Please try reading his quote and then coming back to this thread. Hint: he said client not server. This is at least the 2nd time you tried to pass that quote off on a server product.

What I was responding to was the comment that maybe Intel is admitting problems, and learning, and I am saying NO to that. I see no real learning or change, other than a small marketing change. Admitting that AMD did good for a couple of years. Alder lake is not king in everything, and they are in the dumper for servers, so AMD are certainly not in Intels rear view mirror for anything.

 

[lobz]

Please try reading his quote and then coming back to this thread. Hint: he said client not server. This is at least the 2nd time you tried to pass that quote off on a server product.

Ouch... what a misfire! Nice try dullard.

 

[Exist50]

Yeah, but is also in the record saying that AMD time is over with Sapphire Rapids..

“And yeah, AMD has done a solid job over the last couple of years. We won’t dismiss them of the good work that they’ve done, but that’s over with Alder Lake and Sapphire Rapids,” Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger

This seems to be in reference to AMD's lead at any given time. Seems subtly different. Of course, hinges on them actually shipping SPR before Genoa shows up...

 

[Henry swagger]

Intel's 7nm Sapphire Rapids-SP Processors Delayed Once Again, Alder Lake Ships 15 Million CPUs | Hardware Times

Intel’s 4th Gen Xeon Scalable processors have once again been delayed due to a slower ramp despite increased demand from all sides. Although the official state of the Sapphire Rapids family is “launched”, most customers are yet to receive retail units. This has likely pushed many small-scaled...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Alder lake is selling like hot cakes 15 million units shipped

 

[Markfw]

Intel's 7nm Sapphire Rapids-SP Processors Delayed Once Again, Alder Lake Ships 15 Million CPUs | Hardware Times

Intel’s 4th Gen Xeon Scalable processors have once again been delayed due to a slower ramp despite increased demand from all sides. Although the official state of the Sapphire Rapids family is “launched”, most customers are yet to receive retail units. This has likely pushed many small-scaled...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Alder lake is selling like hot cakes 15 million units shipped

And how many AMD units are being sold ? What has that got to do with Sapphire raids being delayed anyway ? Yes, its in the article, but it means nothing about the cause.

 

[Hitman928]

Intel's 7nm Sapphire Rapids-SP Processors Delayed Once Again, Alder Lake Ships 15 Million CPUs | Hardware Times

Intel’s 4th Gen Xeon Scalable processors have once again been delayed due to a slower ramp despite increased demand from all sides. Although the official state of the Sapphire Rapids family is “launched”, most customers are yet to receive retail units. This has likely pushed many small-scaled...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Alder lake is selling like hot cakes 15 million units shipped

Fifteen million in ~7 months seems like a lot, but isn't really for Intel. Intel said Tigerlake sold 30 million in slightly less time (~6.5 months) and that was mobile only.

 

[Hotrod2go]

Fifteen million in ~7 months seems like a lot, but isn't really for Intel. Intel said Tigerlake sold 30 million in slightly less time (~6.5 months) and that was mobile only.

Whole platform upgrades tend to be for the well off with disposable income these days. Many users in average joe land don't upgrade unless something is broken. What with growing global inflationary pressures & supply chain problems still, its a wonder they sold that many already really.

 

[ondma]

Fifteen million in ~7 months seems like a lot, but isn't really for Intel. Intel said Tigerlake sold 30 million in slightly less time (~6.5 months) and that was mobile only.

Tiger Lake was released for mobile in the middle of the pandemic when many were purchasing laptops for work from home.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Granite Rapids has already suffered it's first delay

I know. That's the "old" Granite Rapids using Golden Cove on Intel 4. The "new" Granite Rapids is on either Intel 3 or Intel 20a (I forget!) in 2024. If THAT suffers delays to 2025 and if Intel bags on Sapphire Rapids and Emerald Rapids, it would mean Intel wouldn't have an enterprise CPU until 2025 . . .

 

[IntelUser2000]

Fifteen million in ~7 months seems like a lot, but isn't really for Intel. Intel said Tigerlake sold 30 million in slightly less time (~6.5 months) and that was mobile only.

Sorry but that's a redactedarticle. Intel claimed 15 million Alderlake shipped in their Q1 presentation. The hardwaretimes article is dated June 9th of this year. Does a lot to actually do a background check of the article you are reading. I hate how modern press has turned into just misleading headlines with little factual content.

Q1 is the quarter ending April 2nd. Intel launched mobile chips in CES of January and many people on reddit were wondering about mobile device launch as late as mid April. I can attest personally as well. Try actually looking for a laptop to buy in March when the CPU is launched in CES. Good luck with that. Tigerlake mobile launched in September of the previous year.

If you presume it takes 2 months for device availability you are talking 1 month for Alderlake. If you mean 6.5 months for Tigerlake as in mid-May, it would have been available to buy for 5 months. Also 2/3rd of Intel shipments are on laptop.

I know. That's the "old" Granite Rapids using Golden Cove on Intel 4.

Just a minor correction, old Granite Rapids was using Redwood Cove the same core in Meteorlake. The new one, who knows?

The new one is on Intel 3. 10-12% gain suggest to me either Lunar Lake isn't a big gain or it's half way to a "big gain".





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[DrMrLordX]

Just a minor correction, old Granite Rapids was using Redwood Cove the same core in Meteorlake.

Really? I thought originally it was using Golden Cove. Redwood Cove didn't exist back then, and MeteorLake was using Ocean Cove.

 

[eek2121]

At this rate, Sapphire Rapids will end up competing with Zen 5. Intel needs to get their act together.

 

[igor_kavinski]

At this rate, Sapphire Rapids will end up competing with Zen 5.

That may never happen coz it's never coming out Zen 5 based Epyc's gonna be so lonely!

 

[uzzi38]

I know. That's the "old" Granite Rapids using Golden Cove on Intel 4. The "new" Granite Rapids is on either Intel 3 or Intel 20a (I forget!) in 2024. If THAT suffers delays to 2025 and if Intel bags on Sapphire Rapids and Emerald Rapids, it would mean Intel wouldn't have an enterprise CPU until 2025 . . .

I'm quite confident that if GNR launches in 2024, it'll be competitive with Turin which will also launch at a similar time. Even if we're talking H1 launch vs H2 launch, that'll still be fine enough by me. If it slips to 2025, then we'll probably stuck waiting for 2026 for the next best chance at competition in the DC. I really, really, REALLY hope it doesn't slip.

 

[FangBLade]

Intel's 7nm Sapphire Rapids-SP Processors Delayed Once Again, Alder Lake Ships 15 Million CPUs | Hardware Times

Intel’s 4th Gen Xeon Scalable processors have once again been delayed due to a slower ramp despite increased demand from all sides. Although the official state of the Sapphire Rapids family is “launched”, most customers are yet to receive retail units. This has likely pushed many small-scaled...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Alder lake is selling like hot cakes 15 million units shipped

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

 

[inf64]

I'm quite confident that if GNR launches in 2024, it'll be competitive with Turin which will also launch at a similar time. Even if we're talking H1 launch vs H2 launch, that'll still be fine enough by me. If it slips to 2025, then we'll probably stuck waiting for 2026 for the next best chance at competition in the DC. I really, really, REALLY hope it doesn't slip.

Will intel have 256 cores in server SKUs? That's what it takes to be competitive with Zen5. I somehow doubt it, but who knows.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Will intel have 256 cores in server SKUs? That's what it takes to be competitive with Zen5. I somehow doubt it, but who knows.

oneAPI is supposed to allow easy heterogeneous application development so maybe they will compensate with extra Xe cores. It will cost them but maybe that's their plan to compete with AMD.

 

[jpiniero]

If you presume it takes 2 months for device availability you are talking 1 month for Alderlake. If you mean 6.5 months for Tigerlake as in mid-May, it would have been available to buy for 5 months. Also 2/3rd of Intel shipments are on laptop.

By "shipped", Intel means that they had delivered chips to the OEM/distributor, not when end user devices were available.

If you figure that the date of the press releases is when they have started or were about to start shipping product, you can probably say that the rest of the S and the H (on Jan 4th) had 2+ months of shipments by the end of the quarter. That doesn't include the K and 12400 shipped before then.

 

[uzzi38]

Will intel have 256 cores in server SKUs? That's what it takes to be competitive with Zen5. I somehow doubt it, but who knows.

I'm pretty sure I've warned people on AT Forums several times already on rumours regarding Zen 5, I'm not going to be doing it again.

 

[uzzi38]

oneAPI is supposed to allow easy heterogeneous application development so maybe they will compensate with extra Xe cores. It will cost them but maybe that's their plan to compete with AMD.

Yes that is essentially Falcon Shores in a nutshell. Issue is, is that AMD are attempting to do it first with MI300. Results are yet to be seen (thanks ROCm), but my point is that Intel aren't the onky ones trying that - heck, they're not even the first.

Not to mention that approach doesn't even really work for general computing needs. There are some workloads that CPUs are just inherently more suited towards than GPUs are.