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Do you recall which one? I don't remember seeing that anywhere. Thanks.That was in an Intel presentation!
That CPU photo and the Videocardz die shot are either not the same 2+8 CPU or you have them mislabeled. The aspect ratio doesn't work out the way you labelled it.I'm sort of crazy.
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My interpretation based on all the rumors being bombarded all over.
CPU tile should be the smallest: https://videocardz.com/newz/first-die-shot-of-intel-14th-gen-core-meteor-lake-processor-emerges
I presume this would be the right time for the obligate "Corporate needs you to find differences..."Here is a 8 + 8 Meteor Lake mock up compared to 8 + 8 Alder Lake, they look identical as far as core placement, core shape and ring bus
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Slide 215.Do you recall which one? I don't remember seeing that anywhere. Thanks.
Thank you for the link. But that is in Intel's long term plans, it doesn't specifically state it is in Meteor Lake. Is there any evidence that it is in Meteor Lake?
Clearly Mislabeled, the CPU Compute is on the Top left corner, the CPU Tile is clearly capable of 8+8That CPU photo and the Videocardz die shot are either not the same 2+8 CPU or you have them mislabeled.
And Nowhere to be found the "Mythical" Monolithic HEDT Sapphire Rapids-X?Looks like PC-Watch got some photos of Intel's upcoming products:
In fairness, Intel hasn't mentioned Sapphire Rapids-X yet.And Nowhere to be found the "Mythical" Monolithic HEDT Sapphire Rapids-X?
Neither is Raptor Lake and that one is comíng for sure, right?And Nowhere to be found the "Mythical" Monolithic HEDT Sapphire Rapids-X?
True.Neither is Raptor Lake and that one is coming for sure, right?
Doesn't sound like it. All I've seen is that the base Foveros is passive. And it's on 10 nm. As to why I have no clue.MTL: Everyone is only talking about the 4 top tiles. There is also a base Foveros tile, and it will minimally contain the interconnect (ring I assume) to connect all the top tiles. But there is an opportunity for a system level cache as well. And it may be made on 22nm just like Lakefield, though that doesn’t lend itself to high capacity SRAM.
And how are the top tiles connected, if not through the base tile? Note that there is no EMIB here, like in SPR.Doesn't sound like it. All I've seen is that the base Foveros is passive. And it's on 10 nm. As to why I have no clue.
I would assume they are being connected through the base tile. But the base tile is not doing anything other than very basic dumb routing.And how are the top tiles connected, if not through the base tile?
In addition to Exist50's I also gave you this link in response to you asking.Do you recall which one? I don't remember seeing that anywhere. Thanks.
That doesn't mean it has to be in Meteorlake, it's only their first approach. It says "Long Term Vision" right below it.For example, on slide 214 there are Media tiles that you have previously stated are NOT in Meteor Lake.
Well there are rather nice advantages of Foveros over using EMIB or even using a conventional organic interposer.So the MTL base die is just a passive interposer? Nothing “Foveros” about it then!
Are SPR EMIB die also passive?
The SoC.Proof: see the high density package and tell me where the PCH is... https://wccftech.com/intel-shows-off-14th-gen-meteor-lake-standard-high-density-die-packages-cpu-tiles-produced-by-intel-gpu-tiles-by-tsmc/
Good catch. @dullard, if you look very closely at the diagram on Slide 8, it includes "Atom Complex". No harm in treating it as a rumor till it's confirmed, but do know that it does exist.In addition to Exist50's I also gave you this link in response to you asking.
Go back to that post and few posts above that.Page 618 - Discussion - Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread
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I'm certain this is a 2+8 compute die. Way too small to be 6+8, much less 8+8.Clearly Mislabeled, the CPU Compute is on the Top left corner, the CPU Tile is clearly capable of 8+8
You need hybrid bonding to get close to monolithic. Foveros has a smaller bump pitch than EMIB, which is probably why it's used here, but it's still not quite monolithic.With Foveros you can emulate being on-die interconnect power-wise and performance wise.
Unfortunately, I think you'll be disappointed, but I hope my pessimism ends up being incorrect.Meteorlake is the generation where I can see big battery life gains and significantly close the gap with competitiors like AMD, and even ARM!
witeken, if you're going to make such a big deal out of it, it would help to actually be correct... The base die on MTL is passive. No cache nor PCH.Meteor Lake is Lakefield 2.0. The bottom die is the PCH, which per tradition is built on the N-1 node, in this case 10nm Foveros.
Note: I am not going to deny that cores in the big tile exist. I hope they do, since the more technology and the more cores out there the better off we are will be. But, even that link doesn't specify Meteor Lake. We can imply that it is in Meteor Lake due to the same 3-tile graphic used for other Meteor Lake presentations (ignoring the obvious simplification that Meteor Lake isn't 3 tiles). But that is also the same image used for Arrow Lake. So, these are still just hints at this point for those of us without inside information.Good catch. @dullard, if you look very closely at the diagram on Slide 8, it includes "Atom Complex". No harm in treating it as a rumor till it's confirmed, but do know that it does exist.
Well Arrow Lake is supposed to use the same SoC tile as Meteor Lake, right? So...Note: I am not going to deny that cores in the big tile exist. I hope they do, since the more technology and the more cores out there the better off we are will be. But, even that link doesn't specify Meteor Lake. We can imply that it is in Meteor Lake due to the same 3-tile graphic used for other Meteor Lake presentations (ignoring the obvious simplification that Meteor Lake isn't 3 tiles). But that is also the same image used for Arrow Lake. So, these are still just hints at this point for those of us without inside information.
Purely in terms of the CPU tile, yeah, that looks right.