Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[coercitiv]

Dealing with a nasty head cold. Can someone kind enough please give me the cliff notes of the last 1-2 weeks of Intel Alderlake info? Are we still A GO for a October launch?

In the last two weeks people discovered there's such a thing as PL4 for Intel CPUs. We are still in the process of acknowledging (as a group) the major difference between continuous power and peak power consumption for both modern PC power supplies and VRM stages.

As a general rule of thumb, as long as you see people arguing about power consumption in this thread it means there have been no further developments/leaks about launch timeline and/or performance. Get well soon.

 

[eek2121]

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Interesting power requirements for Raptor Lake-S. Credits: igor's LAB

What I find curious is the PL2 numbers. PL2 for ADL chips thus far have been lower (225W or 228W, can’t remember). Intel never learns…

 

[DrMrLordX]

What I find curious is the PL2 numbers. PL2 for ADL chips thus far have been lower (225W or 228W, can’t remember). Intel never learns…

Those PL2 values from Igor's Lab are somewhat in like with Rocket Lake-S.

 

[mikk]

What I find curious is the PL2 numbers. PL2 for ADL chips thus far have been lower (225W or 228W, can’t remember). Intel never learns…

One of them could be outdated. The reported PL2 for ADL-S QS was 228W.

 

[jpiniero]

PL2 is whatever you want it to be. What Intel offers is just a recommendation.

 

[Abwx]

Some rumour, initiated by an usual suspect :

Full list of Intel 13th gen Raptor Lake SKUs leak, Intel apparently looking to hit a world record 5.5 GHz turbo and retain single-threaded dominance with the Core i9-13900K

The complete SKUs list of Intel's upcoming 13th gen Raptor Lake-S family has leaked, thanks to AdoredTV. Raptor Lake will be segmented into large, mid, and small dies with the flagship Core i9-13900K (?) touted to feature 24 cores and 32 threads. With Raptor Lake, Intel apparently is looking to...

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[uzzi38]

Some rumour, initiated by an usual suspect :

Full list of Intel 13th gen Raptor Lake SKUs leak, Intel apparently looking to hit a world record 5.5 GHz turbo and retain single-threaded dominance with the Core i9-13900K

The complete SKUs list of Intel's upcoming 13th gen Raptor Lake-S family has leaked, thanks to AdoredTV. Raptor Lake will be segmented into large, mid, and small dies with the flagship Core i9-13900K (?) touted to feature 24 cores and 32 threads. With Raptor Lake, Intel apparently is looking to...

www.notebookcheck.net

Seems feasible enough, nothing there stands out as being hugely new nor surprising information either if I'm honest.

All except one thing.

What happened to LPDDR5X support that was supposedly coming with Raptor?

 

[jpiniero]

What happened to LPDDR5X support that was supposedly coming with Raptor?

Adored gonna Adored.

 

[mikk]

Some rumour, initiated by an usual suspect :

Full list of Intel 13th gen Raptor Lake SKUs leak, Intel apparently looking to hit a world record 5.5 GHz turbo and retain single-threaded dominance with the Core i9-13900K

The complete SKUs list of Intel's upcoming 13th gen Raptor Lake-S family has leaked, thanks to AdoredTV. Raptor Lake will be segmented into large, mid, and small dies with the flagship Core i9-13900K (?) touted to feature 24 cores and 32 threads. With Raptor Lake, Intel apparently is looking to...

www.notebookcheck.net

It confirms earlier rumors from Raichu and Moore's Law Is Dead, the 8+16 core count in particular. LPDDR5-6500 doesn't make sense because LPDDR5-6400 is the highest according to specification.

 

[jpiniero]

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[RTX2080]

Weird result of '12-cores i9-12900k'

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1426655341362782214

maybe it was a fake but I wonder how to fake it

 

[mikk]

Apparently there is a Intel Architecture Day coming tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428275536766382081

 

[JoeRambo]

Apparently there is a Intel Architecture Day coming tomorrow.

Hopefully we will get tasty details about Alder Lake and Saphire Rapids.

 

[Gideon]

If Raichu is to be believed, Golden Cove is pretty massive:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428281562261454850

6D 8U 512R It means that:

• 6 Simple Decoder (not include Complex Decoder)
• 8 uops/cycle
• 512 entries ReOrder buffers.
• Let we see.
  
  I have more information but I can't release it.

Makes me worry a bit about Zen 4 if it's just Zen 3 with AVX-512 and minor improvements

 

[jpiniero]

If Raichu is to be believed, Golden Cove is pretty massive:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428281562261454850

Sounds hot.

 

[RanFodar]

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[RTX2080]

If Raichu is to be believed,

he's right about RKL's perf lose a bit to Zen3.

 

[Racan]

So 19% IPC improvement over Rocket Lake.

 

[Racan]

Makes me worry a bit about Zen 4 if it's just Zen 3 with AVX-512 and minor improvements

Would it be unreasonable to expect the usual 15% IPC gains? With V-cache on top of that I think it will take the gaming crown at least.

 

[jpiniero]

Ooh, AT is claiming that AVX-512 won't be enabled even if you turn the small cores off on Alder Lake. Marketing must have decided that this was too confusing but too late to remove it physically from the client design. (or as I mentioned before maybe only embedded customers running Linux will get access)

 

[eek2121]

Oh so all the leaks/rumors are true, according to Intel. Got it.

 

[naukkis]

So Intel still did increase everything in Golden Cove when they had to know that it will lead to similar increase to power usage and efficiency. It's Comet lake to Rocket lake again repeated in 10nm.

 

[eek2121]

So 19% IPC improvement over Rocket Lake.

It's important to note that is for Golden Cove only. Intel is claiming larger gains for Gracemont. It will be interesting to see where everything lands.

 

[gdansk]

Regarding the architecture revelations: GC is huge. No wonder you can fit 4 Gracemonts in that same area. I wonder how much faster it'll actually be than Zen 3D.

Both desktop processors and mobile processors will now have AVX-512 disabled in all scenarios.

Oof.

 

[Racan]

It's important to note that is for Golden Cove only. Intel is claiming larger gains for Gracemont. It will be interesting to see where everything lands.

Yeah so far it looks like Gracemont is a far larger leap over it's predecessor.