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Hulk

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I think much of Intel's process woes will be mitigated if they can move desktop parts to 10ESF in quantities ASAP. From a power and transistor density it seems as though 10SF is competitive with TMSC 7nm so I'm thinking 10ESF will be even more competitive. Assuming AMD hasn't moved on to 5nm by then. But even if they have it seems likely the density/power gains will be getting smaller as we approach the end of this node shrinking game that started 50 years ago.
 

DrMrLordX

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We will know when we see 7nm ramp.
Maybe they will release exact wpm numbers in investor calls, but given the lack of transparency as of late, I doubt it. Intel's 10nm+, 10SF, and 10SFE capacities still aren't public knowledge, and we still don't know how well 10SF/10SFE yield. The availability of TigerLake-H 8c will answer some questions there, assuming we ever get good availability data on those parts.
 

Dayman1225

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Maybe they will release exact wpm numbers in investor calls, but given the lack of transparency as of late, I doubt it. Intel's 10nm+, 10SF, and 10SFE capacities still aren't public knowledge, and we still don't know how well 10SF/10SFE yield. The availability of TigerLake-H 8c will answer some questions there, assuming we ever get good availability data on those parts.
I don’t think Intel would release their WPM numbers publicly any time soon. Maybe to their close partners now that IFS is a thing.
 

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DrMrLordX

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They seem to have a considerable amount of dark silicon, where the GPU used to be. I wonder why couldn't they just add a couple of EUs instead:
Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Really though, let's see how many of these things actually show up on the market. Time for Intel to prove themselves.
 

Dayman1225

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Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Really though, let's see how many of these things actually show up on the market. Time for Intel to prove themselves.
They say 80+ designs this year and have already shipped 1million+ units of TGL H
 

eek2121

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Which units of TigerLake-H though? The new 8c SKUs or the not-as-new 4c high TDP SoCs?
So far it looks like the 11800H may have been a significant part of that. So there are definitely some 8-core parts.

So these frequency/power numbers look to be very close to Zen 3, right?
Boost clocks are significantly higher, base clocks are lower. AVX will drag clocks down like always. wait for the reviews…
 

Hitman928

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So these frequency/power numbers look to be very close to Zen 3, right?
Someone can check me on this but here's what I came up with.

CPU​
TDPCores/ThreadsBaseMax/All Boost
Intel 11980HK45 W8/162.6 GHz5.0/4.5 GHz
Intel 11980HK65 W8/163.3 GHz5.0/? GHz
AMD 5980HS35 W8/163 GHz4.8/? GHz
AMD 5980HX45+ W8/163.3 GHz4.8/? GHz
Intel 11900H35 W8/162.1 GHz4.9/? GHz
Intel 11900H45 W8/162.5 GHz4.9/4.4 GHz
AMD 5900HS35 W8/163 GHz4.6/? GHz
AMD 5900HX45 W8/163.3 GHz4.6/? GHz
Intel 11400H35 W6/122.2 GHz4.5/? GHz
Intel 11400H45 W6/122.7 GHz4.5/4.1 GHz
AMD 5600HS35 W6/123 GHz4.2/? GHz
AMD 5600H45 W6/123.3 GHz4.2/? GHz
 

jpiniero

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Not really comparable since you are talking about AVX-512 versus AVX2 presumably. Also pretty sure AMD doesn't technically have any kind of multiplier limits.
 

blckgrffn

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I know it's fantasy, but wouldn't it be great to see a desktop 11980HK as a true LGA1200 halo CPU?

I mean, way way way back in the day I bought 1.6ghz mobile Celerons and doubled the FSB to have 3.2 ghz desktop CPUs. There is extremely dubious precedent here :D

(I am pretty sure those were Northwood P4 based Celerons....)
 

coercitiv

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Geranium

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I think much of Intel's process woes will be mitigated if they can move desktop parts to 10ESF in quantities ASAP. From a power and transistor density it seems as though 10SF is competitive with TMSC 7nm so I'm thinking 10ESF will be even more competitive. Assuming AMD hasn't moved on to 5nm by then. But even if they have it seems likely the density/power gains will be getting smaller as we approach the end of this node shrinking game that started 50 years ago.
Intel's 10nm is similar to TSMCs 7nm?? So what is the real chip density of Intel's 10nm? And I am not talking about paper density, real usable & production quality chip density. And Tiger Lake already shows us how efficient Intel's 10nm compared to TSMC's 7nm.

AFAIK Intel's 14nm & 10nm is so dense that Intel's don't publish real chip density number nowdays.
TSMC's 7nm density range from 40M/mm2 - 85-90 M/mm2 and chip power range from 2W SoC to 400W GPU.
 

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