Remember the last time people used Mindfactory data in this thread and the derail that followed? Even if I openly support taking into account this type of vendor data as long as it's being used to interpret a DYI trend, I also see how toxic it is for the thread when used as bait.
You have a point, and I'll admit the presentation could have been better. It's really down to whether or not people are willing to take the bait, I guess . . .
Well, if we're going full-meta, the thread title was originally "Intel Cannonlake, Ice Lake, Tiger Lake & Sapphire rapid thread". The fact that nearly 4 years and over 10,000 posts later, Intel still hasn't finished launching the full product stack of even the second "lake" on that list and has changed their roadmap so many times that the thread was renamed, speaks volumes.
This thread is old enough that it was meant to cover everything post-Skylake since
a). those products essentially didn't exist in any commercial quantity
b). there were some nagging questions as to how or when Intel would move on to a new uarch
I don't think anybody could have predicted that things would proceed in quite this fashion. It would be a bit inappropriate to have dedicated threads to Cannonlake and Ice Lake specifically, since those threads would mostly be dead now (except for people looking to discuss Ice Lake-SP, which is still . . . not widely available, to put it lightly). Tiger Lake is currently the only product line that is active for Intel with the impending release of 8c Tiger Lake-H.
There needs to be a place for people to actively submit news and discussion related to Intel's ongoing efforts related to fabbing on advanced nodes and releasing new products. You just can't tell what exactly they're going to do or which product lines will wind up in the DiY sector, if any. It looks to me like Intel may be on the verge of abandoning DiY for awhile, especially if the sales figures from Mindfactory are indicative of what is happening to Intel at other etailers/retailors worldwide. Why should they keep seeding the channel only to get beaten up like that? Motherboard OEMs can't be happy about the situation. Sure Alder Lake-S could turn things around, but if Intel has any decisions to make about where to commit dice (OEMs, DiY) , why would they prioritize DiY? At all? Mindfactory didn't even sell 120 11900k CPUs in an entire month. The 11600k didn't show up at the 120 mark either, and the 11400 - budget darling of the Rocket Lake lineup - only managed 160 units. The 11400 is probably the best chip to come out of Rocket Lake at its price point, and at least at Mindfactory, it doesn't seem like customers are lining up to buy one. With the shortage of competitor's CPUs out there, you would think Intel would get a few "oh well, at least it's available" sales but at Mindfactory . . . not so much.
The 11700k which somewhat obviates the need for a 11900k only managed to sell 240 units. It was outsold by the 10850k and 10700k, which reinforces my previous statements that Comet Lake may be Rocket Lake's worst enemy.
IMO it is absurd to have a single thread for everything Intel while AMD has a thread to every family of products, every generation.
It made more sense to have 1 thread for everything skylake based, but IMO now, when we multiple quite different products we should move on from this thread.
Maybe? What would you discuss? It's easier to have a thread for each family of products when the product stack is coherent and at least somewhat up-to-date. To echo
@coercitiv 's general sentiment that this is a DiY thread, how many of Intel's post-Skylake CPUs are relevant to DiY? Cannonlake? No. Ice Lake? No. Tiger Lake? Not yet, and probably not even with Tiger Lake-H. That leaves us with Rocket Lake and what else?