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lobz

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I'm not going to respond to all of that because it's pointless, you don't understand what steam is telling you. But I will respond to the comment above.

It's estimated that 300 million PCs / Laptops will be sold this year. 85% of that comes from 7 OEMs. i.e. about 255,000,000 PCs from those 7 OEMs.

None of them carry Zen 3, and Zen 2 is emptying out of supply channels.

That comes out to about 4,904,000 PCs per week.

You were saying something about a retailer who sells 4000 chips a week?
Most importantly, Steam is telling you that you really shouldn't consider yourself a market researcher all of a sudden, when you can't distinguish between relevant and irrelevant data in your conversations about the market. You just don't understand what steam is telling you. You are really persistent though, I'll give you that. All the more entertainment I get from the thread :)
 

COAk

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Most importantly, Steam is telling you that you really shouldn't consider yourself a market researcher all of a sudden, when you can't distinguish between relevant and irrelevant data in your conversations about the market. You just don't understand what steam is telling you. You are really persistent though, I'll give you that. All the more entertainment I get from the thread :)
I thought this was a Lakes and Rapids thread where people discussed leaks, not other people...
 
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jpiniero

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Dell announced a bunch of Tiger Lake laptops and an desktop meant to be used like an AIO. Most of them don't ship until the end of March (so it's possibly using the rumored refresh); the one linked is shipping now.
 

Hitman928

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Ignore Steam survey for this, it is bad in many ways.

Wait for Mercury research's report for Q4 instead, then we have some real numbers to discuss.

Here is data from their Q3 report.
It wouldn't surprise me if Intel gets a little overall market share back due to being able to manufacture more during these crazy demand times, but I expect they would still be losing share in the high margin sectors and picking up shares in the lower margin sectors. I'm not saying this is the case as the AMD chiplets on 7 nm are quite small and the IOD is obviously at GF, but I think it's possible given the insatiable demand right now. There is also a 0% chance that there was enough of a sales disparity to cause an 8% shift in the total user base in 4Q. That is just ridiculous to even speculate.
 

jpiniero

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It wouldn't surprise me if Intel gets a little overall market share back due to being able to manufacture more during these crazy demand times, but I expect they would still be losing share in the high margin sectors and picking up shares in the lower margin sectors. I'm not saying this is the case as the AMD chiplets on 7 nm are quite small and the IOD is obviously at GF, but I think it's possible given the insatiable demand right now. There is also a 0% chance that there was enough of a sales disparity to cause an 8% shift in the total user base in 4Q. That is just ridiculous to even speculate.
These percentages don't really match up with Intel's financials. Mercury Research is greatly overselling Intel's desktop sales while underselling laptop. Now it could be that they aren't including Chromebooks I guess, but that wouldn't explain the desktop difference.

AMD CCG Revenue gain: $379M (includes GPUs)
Intel desktop drop: $485M
Intel laptop gain: $882M (albeit with a $1B hit to profits from Tiger Lake)
 

JoeRambo

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The memory read scored higher than the theoretical bandwidth (2 * 8 bytes * 3733 MHz)
That is not exactly unusual in Aida64 bw tests, if one was to believe them, latest AMD cards have like 1.6TB/s memory bw.

Does not look like anything is special in that screenshot to me. With enough voltage any B-Die can have such timings since Z170
 

XabanakFanatik

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I assume they were referring to the memory latency. Sub-40 ns is pretty darn impressive.

Edit: I guess not since it seems like coffee lake can hit sub-40ns, too.
 

uzzi38

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I assume they were referring to the memory latency. Sub-40 ns is pretty darn impressive.

Edit: I guess not since it seems like coffee lake can hit sub-40ns, too.
Coffee Lake can go to ~35ns or lower with the right sample and memory.

So no, that's not it. Surprised nobody was wondering how the "best score" (which obviously is in regards to memory latency) is at DDR4-3733 at all and not something higher like DDR4-4400.

Hint:
 

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So, if I'm reading this correctly, Rocket Lake has a new, higher latency mode to support even higher memory bandwidths?
 

Gideon

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yeah the 1:1 mode monicer was a hint in that direction. Was late to the party though
 

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Due to the immature bios the PCIe is limited to x16 1.1 for RKL......
 
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Looking forward to the 11900k, been waiting so long for a architectural upgrade from my 6700k!

To be fair, it's only since I upgraded to a RTX 3080 that my 6700k hasn't ben able to cope with some titles. Had it since August 2015, boy was it a good buy!
 

XabanakFanatik

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So is tiger lake-H supposed to be 8C/16T? Would seem weird to designate a 4C/8T part as an i7 if that's the case...
https://videocardz.com/newz/acer-reveals-nitro-5-gaming-laptops-with-tiger-lake-h35-cpus
Intel's mobile naming scheme frequently doesn't coincide with their desktop naming scheme with regards to core count. The mobile schemes also frequently make little sense.

Also that article says they "expect" both laptops to be 4 cores. Doesn't seem like any real evidence to me.
 

uzzi38

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So is tiger lake-H supposed to be 8C/16T? Would seem weird to designate a 4C/8T part as an i7 if that's the case...
https://videocardz.com/newz/acer-reveals-nitro-5-gaming-laptops-with-tiger-lake-h35-cpus
Yes and no.

There's two different TGL-Hs with different launches. TGL-H35 and TGL-H45.

TGL-H35 is 4c/8t/96EUs - same die as TGL-U, but higher power limit and higher clocks.

TGL-H45 is 8c/16t/32EUs, new die set to launch Q2-Q3. Expected to arrive around Computex time period
 

jpiniero

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For a little comedy, Rocket Lake overclocked using LN2 to a very nice 6.9 Ghz.
 

Zucker2k

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For a little comedy, Rocket Lake overclocked using LN2 to a very nice 6.9 Ghz.
Not bad for an all core overclock on pre-release bios, actually. Plus 6666 MHz RAM overclock? That's just insane. The IMC on Rocket Lake-S is looking to be killer.
 
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