Asterox
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Viral marketing in daylight, at CES...It happened at 7:30. Petrifying.
Gotcha, Yes, terrifying, lol.It happened at 7:30. Petrifying.
Great comedy or Intel and security, .......................but in reality.Viral marketing in daylight, at CES...
That says preview, not review. The rumors did say that Z590 was coming first/before Rocket Lake.Is Rocket Lake coming now or later? Because Z590 is out (in the hands of reviews).
https://wccftech.com/msi-z590-gaming-pro-carbon-wifi-motherboard-preview/ (no, this is not reposting another forum's pics, but I believe they are author's own pics)
Pics also confirm Rocket Lake is 11th Gen only Core i5 and up.
Mid-MarchIs Rocket Lake coming now or later? Because Z590 is out (in the hands of reviews).
https://wccftech.com/msi-z590-gaming-pro-carbon-wifi-motherboard-preview/ (no, this is not reposting another forum's pics, but I believe they are author's own pics)
Pics also confirm Rocket Lake is 11th Gen only Core i5 and up.
The game benches were directly compared to Zen 3. Zen 3 and RL are going to be close. But AMD will own the core count and the power/efficiency and the price premium for the high end parts.intel are citing 'up to' 19% . wonder whattheir average is? , @ something less than 19% , IPC should still be a bit below Zen 3
The problem is, that Intel CPUs are now so weak compared to AMD products, that they can compete only when insanely clocked, consuming huge amounts of energy.Many people think 10nm has yield issues. They have capacity issues. Also, a corporation like Intel does NOT divert from their internal roadmaps. Shoot, you'll find that AMD doesn't either. These products have a LONG lifecycle. It takes years to bring them from the concept stage to production stage. The bottom line is that even if Intel had 10nm ready for the desktop, Rocket Lake is still going out the door.
Cinebench R15 | Cinebench R20 | Cinebench R23 | |
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Core i9-11900K | 250 / 2356 | 610 / 5672 | 1582 / 13864 |
Core i9-10900K | 223 / 2655 | 526 / 6374 | 1388 / 16535 |
Combined Scores | Fire Strike | Fire Strike Extreme | Time Spy | Time Spy Extreme |
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Core i9-11900K | 31294 | 19303 | 11339 | 8289 |
Core i9-10900K | 30225 | 19421 | 11406 | 8525 |
Because they want people to believe that it require 12 Zen 3 cores to match 8 RKL cores, otherwise they would had used a 5800X as comparison since they could had displayed better numbers..Because they want to price it like 5900X?
Several things are off here, best wait for proper reviews.I find this very disappointing, 14nm rocket lake can't even beat 10 core skylake, let alone compete with Zen3
Intel Core i9-11900K qualification sample compared with Core i9-10900K at 5.2 GHz @ https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-11900k-qualification-sample-compared-with-core-i9-10900k-at-5-2-ghz
The testing platform features ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 3090, Z490 motherboard, and memory clocked at 3600 MHz (CL16). Both processors have been overclocked to 5.2 GHz and are cooled down by an industrial CPU chiller. The preview has been shared by Bibibili creator 二斤啦啦啦啦.
CPU-Z
In CPU-Z the Core i9-11900K scores 693 points which are around 11% faster than 10900K, however. In the multi-threaded test, the CPU scores 6723 points which means that Comet Lake-S CPU is still 13% faster. This is of course due to the fact that the 10th Gen Core CPU offers more threads (20) than the 11th Gen Core (16).
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Cinebench
The CPU has been tested in all three popular versions of Cinbench. It looks that the 11th Gen Core processor has a clear advantage in the single-threaded benchmark while falling to compete with the current flagship in the multi-threaded benchmark.
Cinebench R15 Cinebench R20 Cinebench R23 Core i9-11900K 250 / 2356 610 / 5672 1582 / 13864 Core i9-10900K 223 / 2655 526 / 6374 1388 / 16535
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3DMark
Combined Scores Fire Strike Fire Strike Extreme Time Spy Time Spy Extreme Core i9-11900K 31294 19303 11339 8289 Core i9-10900K 30225 19421 11406 8525
Like what ?Several things are off here, best wait for proper reviews.
Thanks for posting this. I have a few follow up questions if you don't mind.I don't participate here much anymore for reasons, but I figured I'd drop a few tidbits of info:
NOTE: before I start, for those of you that are new here, I don't own stock in Intel. I don't have a single Intel CPU or motherboard in my house, etc. In other words, I'm not a fanboy.
One thing I did NOT know, but rather, I learned: The decrease in core count wasn't due to heat or power, it was due to size. The drop in core count was to keep margins consistent. Nothing more. I was under the assumption that it was all about both heat and power. (EDIT: point of clarification: Intel would have pushed chips with higher power consumption or worse thermal performance out the door regardless. It was all about the chip size.)
- Many people think 10nm has yield issues. They have capacity issues. Also, a corporation like Intel does NOT divert from their internal roadmaps. Shoot, you'll find that AMD doesn't either. These products have a LONG lifecycle. It takes years to bring them from the concept stage to production stage. The bottom line is that even if Intel had 10nm ready for the desktop, Rocket Lake is still going out the door.
- Intel is positioning itself to be extremely competitive with AMD. AMD is paying almost no attention to client based ML (machine learning) (as far as we know, and if they are, they haven't leaked a thing). Intel is rolling out Xe alongside Rocket Lake, Tiger Lake, and future generations. This is an early attempt at bringing intelligent ML to mainstream platforms. Apple has also done this with the M1 (and other chips) with their "neural engine". It baffles me why AMD is letting themselves be blindsided by this. Xe graphics were never about gaming, they were always about getting stuff done. Machine learning. Yes, HPG is launching later this year, but once again: Intel users will have Xe graphics onboard to handle things like AI upscaling, etc. What will AMD have? It remains to be seen if they will stumble or if they can adapt. The lack of leaks in this regard are pretty scary. They don't even have a decent video encoder or decoder right now...
- Rocket lake was originally planned for March. Off the top of my head I believe it was March 17th (but I'd have to dig for the exact date and quite frankly I don't care). It was never slated for January. That leak was fake. There is an IPC increase, and yes, it will be Zen 3 chips *some of the time*. In non gaming tasks (or in gaming tasks that properly utilize cores) Zen 3 will still come out on top. The leaks involving the 5900X weren't necessarily fake or biased, but there are caveats that we'll all find out later on.
Anyway, happy commenting. I'm going back into my hole for another 6 months or so (At least. Those of you that know me know where to find me). Happy new year to all!
LOL, nice spin. One leads to the other. You should be able to figure out which way.Many people think 10nm has yield issues. They have capacity issues.
Anyone seen a Cannonlake lately? 10nm desktop parts were planned and abandoned before the Rocketlake backport was even conceptualized as a reactionary measure. Saying that Intel would have bothered with a 14nm backport if they had 10nm parts ready in 2017 is absurd.Also, a corporation like Intel does NOT divert from their internal roadmaps. Shoot, you'll find that AMD doesn't either. These products have a LONG lifecycle. It takes years to bring them from the concept stage to production stage. The bottom line is that even if Intel had 10nm ready for the desktop, Rocket Lake is still going out the door.
I'm sooo curious as to the following:Looking at those scores @ 5.2Ghz that OCed Rocketlake part cannot match 5800X @ stockin those benchmarks (both ST or MT). It is clear that Zen3 has noticeable IPC advantage that +500Mhz clock cannot compensate. Gaming numbers that intel shared are also very close between 5900X and Rocketlake, so there won't be any noticeable difference.No mention of power draw- 5800X could be drawing HALF of Rocketlake's power while performing better in majority of tasks. The only saving grace is availability as AMD migh struggle supplying Zen3 parts to the market.
5900x usually is the best binned, will have the highest single core performance. 5800x is generally equal or slightly slower than 5900x in gaming.Because they want to price it like 5900X?
Wow, 10 cores are faster than 8 in multi threaded benchmarks. Who would ever have thought that.I find this very disappointing, 14nm rocket lake can't even beat 10 core skylake, let alone compete with Zen3
Intel Core i9-11900K qualification sample compared with Core i9-10900K at 5.2 GHz @ https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-11900k-qualification-sample-compared-with-core-i9-10900k-at-5-2-ghz
The testing platform features ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 3090, Z490 motherboard, and memory clocked at 3600 MHz (CL16). Both processors have been overclocked to 5.2 GHz and are cooled down by an industrial CPU chiller. The preview has been shared by Bibibili creator 二斤啦啦啦啦.
CPU-Z
In CPU-Z the Core i9-11900K scores 693 points which are around 11% faster than 10900K, however. In the multi-threaded test, the CPU scores 6723 points which means that Comet Lake-S CPU is still 13% faster. This is of course due to the fact that the 10th Gen Core CPU offers more threads (20) than the 11th Gen Core (16).
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Cinebench
The CPU has been tested in all three popular versions of Cinbench. It looks that the 11th Gen Core processor has a clear advantage in the single-threaded benchmark while falling to compete with the current flagship in the multi-threaded benchmark.
Cinebench R15 Cinebench R20 Cinebench R23 Core i9-11900K 250 / 2356 610 / 5672 1582 / 13864 Core i9-10900K 223 / 2655 526 / 6374 1388 / 16535
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3DMark
Combined Scores Fire Strike Fire Strike Extreme Time Spy Time Spy Extreme Core i9-11900K 31294 19303 11339 8289 Core i9-10900K 30225 19421 11406 8525