Yotsugi
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You're really bad at deflecting too.Lol Yotsugi - your coping mechanism is funny
You're really bad at deflecting too.Lol Yotsugi - your coping mechanism is funny
You are.Who is deflecting? Look in the mirror.
Indeed, Intel could counter AMD on 14nm with some sort of improved core built without GPU and taking ~275mm^2. Nehalem was 263mm^2. Fit 16 of them in desktop CPU with "130 Intel watt" socket and call it a day. Heck add extra pain for AMD by pricing it $266 and doing triple channels of mem for extra salt content.IMO the biggest fail @ Intel isn't even the ongoing saga of 10nm nor the difficulty of backporting Sunny Cove. It's their total inability to produce even a slightly improved CPU arch on 14nm after all these years (6-7!). ARM releases a new core every year (often with minimal node improvements) Nvidia managed to double their perf/watt with maxwell, on the same node, etc ...
This is what leads me to believe that future microarchitectures from the Cove ranges will have substantial increases in IPC, Intel has an entire legion of engineers - they can’t just be sitting around doing nothing.IMO the biggest fail @ Intel isn't even the ongoing saga of 10nm nor the difficulty of backporting Sunny Cove. It's their total inability to produce even a slightly improved CPU arch on 14nm after all these years (6-7!). ARM releases a new core every year (often with minimal node improvements) Nvidia managed to double their perf/watt with maxwell, on the same node, etc ...
Don’t shoot the messengerWow we totally should trust Intel, for they never ever lied to us right
Yeah, where I live we prefer stabbing people.Don’t shoot the messenger![]()
Charlie has been reporting on how inviable 10nm was, is and will be, for years now. What he reported is what ultimately happened. Cannonlake was not manufacturable, Icelake not much better in that regard. At least there's some volume for some notebooks.Yotsugi, just because you and Charlie says something is so, doesn’t make it so.
You're really bad at deflecting too.
What the heck, are we in high school? Please stop.Who is deflecting? Look in the mirror.
Hey, it's fun.What the heck, are we in high school? Please stop.
Last I read, Ice Lake -SP was going to be a 26 core design with 22 enabled cores and very poor yields. Intel finally decided to ramp up both 10nm fabs, so they've got something going - mostly mobile I would expect. I'd be surprised if SR was bridged cores instead of EMIB, after all the work (and bragging) Intel has put into this - that would just be a pathetic failure of management. Speaking of Management, I think Intel has been going down hill, since Andy Grove left. Brian Krzanich just happened to be the anchor that sunk the boat with all his crony appointments.I guess they're also getting their chiplet strategy in shape because I don't see this dumpster fire of a node yielding those big core count dies Intel loves to use in their Xeons.
He can't be the only incompetent, too much as gone wrong for it just to be down to Krzanich alone.is this all because Brian Krzanich happened?
Even in this case it is in conflict with hardwareluxx. They explicitly told all desktop CPUs manufactured in 10nm are affected. Realistically the hardwareluxx news is a hoax and we will get Alder Lake-S as planned.I was going to say desktop versions of any Atom parts that get released.
To hardwareluxx, the S line is the desktop. Which technically isn't true, as I mentioned since Intel sells 10W desktop versions of Atom. I thought Elkhart Lake was for IoT but it does have an IGP onboard.Even in this case it is in conflict with hardwareluxx. They explicitly told all desktop CPUs manufactured in 10nm are affected. Realistically the hardwareluxx news is a hoax and we will get Alder Lake-S as planned.
It probably speaks to the progress they've been slowly and painfully chalking with 10nm to still want to stick with the node rather than backport sunnycove to 14nm. On the other hand, Intel is all about making money, so if they can get away with 14nm for another generation and still end up making the most money out of the current situation, then that's the path they'll choose.IMO the biggest fail @ Intel isn't even the ongoing saga of 10nm nor the difficulty of backporting Sunny Cove. It's their total inability to produce even a slightly improved CPU arch on 14nm after all these years (6-7!). ARM releases a new core every year (often with minimal node improvements) Nvidia managed to double their perf/watt with maxwell, on the same node, etc ...
Backporting a core would require a considerable amount of money and resources, not to mention time. Of course selling Skylake in 2021 is really not going to go over well.It probably speaks to the progress they've been slowly and painfully chalking with 10nm to still want to stick with the node rather than backport sunnycove to 14nm.
But he is a the top and if the top guy decides to hire incompetent managers and is more a bean counter than tech person, you can imagne were it goes. Not paying the good engineers enough money for one. In in this advanced tech one brilliant mind can make all the difference.He can't be the only incompetent, too much as gone wrong for it just to be down to Krzanich alone.
I'm well aware that it's really easy to be an armchair general in hindsight, but still ....Backporting a core would require a considerable amount of money and resources, not to mention time. Of course selling Skylake in 2021 is really not going to go over well.
Anyone ever did a hike where the locals kept saying the destination was right around the next corner?Backporting a core would require a considerable amount of money and resources, not to mention time. Of course selling Skylake in 2021 is really not going to go over well.
I just wanted to add that here is a non-amp link:Intel denies the rumours and says
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Intel: Yes, There Will be 10nm Desktop CPUs (Updated)
Intel refutes rumors that it is skipping the 10nm process for desktop processorswww.tomshardware.com
So say hello to your Tiger Lake NUCs folks!Update 10/14/2019 8:00pt: Intel confirmed to Tom's Hardware that its use of the "Desktop Products" in its statement means "Desktop CPUs," specifically. It's noteworthy that the statement could equate to NUC processors only, and numerous other possibilities abound (like 10nm CPUs for the HEDT market only), but Intel hasn't provided further clarity.
That was the . . . I won't say original plan, that was the plan announced maybe late last year? Then earlier this year they came out and announced 36c chips too (thanks for the reminder @Yotsugi , I got the core count wrong) but they pushed ICL-SP out again at the same time. And then they tried to distract everyone with Cooper Lake to make it all sound lovely.Last I read, Ice Lake -SP was going to be a 26 core design with 22 enabled cores and very poor yields.
It looks like Intel is going to go full-bore with IoT and comm-level gear based on 10nm tech wherever possible. Lots of little Atom variants. Snow Ridge, Tanner Ridge, Elkhart Lake, Lakefield (okay, that isn't comm or IoT), and then enigmatically, there's . . . IceLake-D.Intel finally decided to ramp up both 10nm fabs, so they've got something going - mostly mobile I would expect.
The Atoms might work, if they keep it small enough. 4 Tremont cores and 32 EUs would be a pretty small die, and they could cut to 2 cores and 8 EUs.It looks like Intel is going to go full-bore with IoT and comm-level gear based on 10nm tech wherever possible. Lots of little Atom variants. Snow Ridge, Tanner Ridge, Elkhart Lake, Lakefield (okay, that isn't comm or IoT), and then enigmatically, there's . . . IceLake-D.