Discussion Intel bringing back 22nm Haswell CPUs in face of 14nm shortages

[PingSpike]

14-nm-Lieferprobleme: Intel reanimiert 22-nm-Haswell-Prozessor

Intel reanimierte heute einen sechs Jahre alten 22-nm-Prozessor. Der Grund dürfte in den eklatanten 14-nm-Lieferproblemen liegen.

www.computerbase.de

Its in German. Apparently they're bringing back limited 22nm haswell processors for the low end since 14nm is constrained.

Aside from the obvious joke that Intel is literally going backwards now, I have a lot of questions about this:
Are they bringing back the old chipsets? Are they still using DDR3? Or is this some tweak on the old process to get it running on new chipsets and using DDR4? Or are you going to require one of the rare skylake to coffeelake era boards that support DDR3?

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[lobz]

whats interesting is there is demand for low end 22nm parts in 2019 when everyone is talking about intel's demise because it hasn't ramped a 10nm desktop part

While you might state that, it's much more likely that the demand is not there for the 22nm chips but there's nothing else they can realistically ship in their place. Contracts to fulfill... 1000000% there is no real market demand for those chips.

 

[dlerious]

I wouldn't think these would be a big seller in the DIY market. Just buy some one's off lease Dell off ebay for about the price of the processor itself.

I'm sort of curious where these things are going to go. Its no secret that Intel has a hilariously...broad...set of skus available to the low end, although apparently they now struggle to supply any of them. But I always thought most of them were inferior to buying a outdated quad core off ebay.

I'm wondering if these will be shipped straight to China or if we'll be seeing some craptop deals with them soon.

I wonder if you'd find one in a Synology or QNAP in the future.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Kiosks, atm machines?

Think Windows XP embedded, maybe there is no software support for newer tech, I dunno really but Haswell is supported on older OSes, at least. Perfect for legacy apps w/ native VGA support. What's not to like?

/sarcasm

 

[LikeLinus]

I really don't understand the big deal. This is misrepresented. It's not saying that Intel is bringing back 22nm. It's stated that the original EOL is being canceled and product availability is continuing.

"Please disregard the notice of the product End of Life as shared in prior communications and note that this product will continue to be available for orders as usual. Intel is not pursuing EOL of this product at this time. "

Meaning, it's available now and it won't be going away. There is no "bring it back" as it didn't actually leave the market. These chips are not meant to replace or substitute higher end CPUs.

People making a big deal about nothing because some German site doesn't have a clue.

 

[Hitman928]

I really don't understand the big deal. This is misrepresented. It's not saying that Intel is bringing back 22nm. It's stated that the original EOL is being canceled and product availability is continuing.

"Please disregard the notice of the product End of Life as shared in prior communications and note that this product will continue to be available for orders as usual. Intel is not pursuing EOL of this product at this time. "

Meaning, it's available now and it won't be going away. There is no "bring it back" as it didn't actually leave the market. These chips are not meant to replace or substitute higher end CPUs.

People making a big deal about nothing because some German site doesn't have a clue.

According to Notebookcheck, the part was discontinued in 2015, so. . .

Intel revives Haswell-era Pentium G3420

Facing a severe supply shortage at 14nm, Intel recently revived the Haswell Pentium G3420. This part, discontinued in 2015, could prove popular with OEMs for budget builds. However, will it be enough to alleviate Intel’s supply crisis?

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[jpiniero]

NBC is wrong. It was transitioned to embedded markets only on April 15, 2015. They started the process of discontinuing to embedded markets on November 26, 2019 but backed off on December 5th. It is probally due to the shortage but it's not like you will see new desktops with it in 2020.

 

[LikeLinus]

According to Notebookcheck, the part was discontinued in 2015, so. . .

Intel revives Haswell-era Pentium G3420

Facing a severe supply shortage at 14nm, Intel recently revived the Haswell Pentium G3420. This part, discontinued in 2015, could prove popular with OEMs for budget builds. However, will it be enough to alleviate Intel’s supply crisis?

www.notebookcheck.net

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"Curiously, the change in plans comes less than two weeks after Intel first began the process of discontinuing the processor. "




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[ondma]

Not sure I believe this. Are 22nm fabs even still operating?

 

[Magic Carpet]

The point of this thread is longevity of Haswell architecture as a whole.

 

[scannall]

Not sure I believe this. Are 22nm fabs even still operating?

Still making some chipsets, ethernet chips etc.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Not sure I believe this. Are 22nm fabs even still operating?

Still making some chipsets, ethernet chips etc.

Yep.

Intel has quietly added a new chipset that is made using the company’s 22 nm fabrication process to its 300-series lineup. As the name suggests, the Intel B365 PCH for desktop PCs has a similar positioning with the company’s B360 chipset, but the two products have many differences apart from their manufacturing technologies. Meanwhile, the launch of a 22 nm product is expected to free up some capacity for 14 nm products, such as CPUs

Intel’s B365 PCH belongs to the 300-series chipsets, so it has to support Intel’s latest processors and select platform features. At the same time, the chip is made using Intel’s 22 nm fabrication process and therefore formally belongs to the Kaby Lake family. In fact, key specs of the B365 resemble those of the H270 with some minor differences. Therefore, we might be dealing with a renamed and re-certified silicon here, and although Intel has not confirmed this, there are some unofficial indicators about the rename.

 

[LikeLinus]

The point of this thread is longevity of Haswell architecture as a whole.

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Per Wiki: "The first consumer-level CPU deliveries using a 22 nm process started in April 2012.".

I would assume those details are what they are currently produce. Still, that is quite the shelf life.

 

[Hitman928]

NBC is wrong. It was transitioned to embedded markets only on April 15, 2015. They started the process of discontinuing to embedded markets on November 26, 2019 but backed off on December 5th. It is probally due to the shortage but it's not like you will see new desktops with it in 2020.

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"Curiously, the change in plans comes less than two weeks after Intel first began the process of discontinuing the processor. "

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Ok, so they discontinued it in 2015 as a retail product but only recently started to as an embedded product, that makes sense.

 

[VirtualLarry]

There is no "bring it back" as it didn't actually leave the market.

People making a big deal about nothing because some German site doesn't have a clue.

That's what I was saying too, in different words. Mis-understood rumor, because Intel had these chips on some sort of longer-term production schedule.

 

[NostaSeronx]

It would have only been surprising if it was Sunnycove-M on 22FFL+.

 

[Roland00Address]

Anyway, IMO this sucks balls. It should be illegal for OEMs to buy such weak-ass chips from 2013 for new machines in 2019/2020, especially considering the competition has way better alternatives.

Obviously top-end 47xx chips hold up well (my niece still manages game just fine, even on my 2500K), that doesn't mean that 2/2 chips being bought now (for the next 5 years) would really be all that good ....

Agreed. I still run on a 4770K and am happy with it more than 6 years after buying it.

But in this case Intel is talking about bringing back the G3420. 2 cores blocked at 3.2 GHz. Not the same category as the 4770/4790L

The G3420 is a dual core at 3.2 ghz and the i7 4770 is a quad core at 3.5 ghz and it can turbo to 3.9 on a single core.

3.9 vs 3.2 is a difference of 21% speed increase in single thread. These chips are remarkably similar and not in some different mythical category. So saying it should be illegal or saying a pentium of the same generation as an i7 is some mythical speed difference is simply not true.

4790K here too but... these CPUs have practically nothing in common with the 2C2T Haswell Pentium

The 4790k gets another 500 mhz bump on top of the 4770k for turbo, and 600 mhz on the base clock but it too is still the same generation so we are only talking a clock speed bump of 37.5% higher comparing a 4.4 vs 3.2 ghz part.

 

[Markfw]

All I can say is I think its rediculous to bring back an ancient (in cpu terms) chip or chips. Intel must really be in trouble.

 

[LikeLinus]

All I can say is I think its rediculous to bring back an ancient (in cpu terms) chip or chips. Intel must really be in trouble.

They are not bringing back a chip. They are simply extending it's EOL date since customers are obviously still willing to purchase it. They wouldn't extend the life of a chip with no sales.

Intel isn't in trouble. They still have 82% of the CPU market and that's not including their SSD, Networking, motherboard and other avenues of revenue. All this doom and gloom is just moronic.

 

[LikeLinus]

That's what I was saying too, in different words. Mis-understood rumor, because Intel had these chips on some sort of longer-term production schedule.

Oh, I know. I just think some people seem to be unable to grasp what is really happening. Then you have sights with completely incorrect info and making assumptions.

 

[lobz]

Oh, I know. I just think some people seem to be unable to grasp what is really happening. Then you have sights with completely incorrect info and making assumptions.

If anyone's, it's the fault of very lazy and clickbait-oriented tech-journalism.

 

[Markfw]

They are not bringing back a chip. They are simply extending it's EOL date since customers are obviously still willing to purchase it. They wouldn't extend the life of a chip with no sales.

Intel isn't in trouble. They still have 82% of the CPU market and that's not including their SSD, Networking, motherboard and other avenues of revenue. All this doom and gloom is just moronic.

Sure.... And bears don't do it in the woods.

Talk to me in a year if you really think Intel is not in trouble.

Oh, and I have abridge you might be interested in.......

 

[CHADBOGA]

When Francois Piednoel said that Haswell would inspire a Conroe like upgrade cycle, I wonder if this is what he meant?

 

[Nereus77]

Incoming Intel Pentium Legendary Edition....?

I would make that if I were Intel.

 

[misuspita]

more like Intel Pentium Lazarus edition

 

[Nereus77]

Intel Pentium Necromancer Edition....
Jumping that shark now