Discussion Intel bringing back 22nm Haswell CPUs in face of 14nm shortages

[PingSpike]

14-nm-Lieferprobleme: Intel reanimiert 22-nm-Haswell-Prozessor

Intel reanimierte heute einen sechs Jahre alten 22-nm-Prozessor. Der Grund dürfte in den eklatanten 14-nm-Lieferproblemen liegen.

www.computerbase.de

Its in German. Apparently they're bringing back limited 22nm haswell processors for the low end since 14nm is constrained.

Aside from the obvious joke that Intel is literally going backwards now, I have a lot of questions about this:
Are they bringing back the old chipsets? Are they still using DDR3? Or is this some tweak on the old process to get it running on new chipsets and using DDR4? Or are you going to require one of the rare skylake to coffeelake era boards that support DDR3?

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[Timorous]

We can do another.

Intel Pentium Remastered Edition.

 

[jpiniero]

All I can say is I think its rediculous to bring back an ancient (in cpu terms) chip or chips. Intel must really be in trouble.

Again this was for embedded only. Perhaps the replacement product isn't available due to the shortage and an embedded customer who was buying complained hard enough to get them to continue producing some.

 

[lobz]

Again this was for embedded only. Perhaps the replacement product isn't available due to the shortage and an embedded customer who was buying complained hard enough to get them to continue producing some.

Embedded customer I know what you mean, I just have a pretty visual thinking

 

[BigDaveX]

Man, I'd hate to think how people in the mid-2000s would have reacted to learning that the 20+ year-old 80186 was still available for purchase from Intel.

 

[bbhaag]

Man, I'd hate to think how people in the mid-2000s would have reacted to learning that the 20+ year-old 80186 was still available for purchase from Intel.

I was thinking the same thing but in regards to the 80386 cpu. It enjoyed a 22 year production run for use in embedded systems much like the cpu being discussed in this thread.

 

[LikeLinus]

Sure.... And bears don't do it in the woods.

Talk to me in a year if you really think Intel is not in trouble.

Oh, and I have abridge you might be interested in.......

Your inability to comprehend even the simplest things are mind boggling astounding.

 

[lobz]

Your inability to comprehend even the simplest things are mind boggling astounding.

Why do you talk to yourself in second person?

 

[TheGiant]

what is exactly a problem with that CPU
its completely normal for a supplier to find alternative if the ordered product is not available
what is so sexy ? I am missing something?

 

[Markfw]

They are not bringing back a chip. They are simply extending it's EOL date since customers are obviously still willing to purchase it. They wouldn't extend the life of a chip with no sales.

Intel isn't in trouble. They still have 82% of the CPU market and that's not including their SSD, Networking, motherboard and other avenues of revenue. All this doom and gloom is just moronic.

They HAD 82% of the market. With the fact that other than pure gaming, their dektop chips loose in every other benchmark, their HEDT lineup is even beaten by AMD's top consumer chip, their server chips are obliterated by the Rome EPYC chips, their own management is saying they hope they only loose 20% of the server market, etc... No they won't go bankrupt, not even close. But right now they are loosing market share, and customer confidence, sales etc. Their short term is looking bleak IMO. And continuing ancient products does not help any of the above. In the computer world, a 6 year old CPU is ancient. And anyone who can not see this has blinders on, or has some serious other issues going on.

Edit: Too bad we don't have sales figures like the EU does. AMD is outselling Intel like 3 or 4 to one lately. Look at the supercomputer contracts ? The major cloud provider contract that AMD has won lately ? Its not JUST benchmarks they are loosing, its also sales.

 

[DrMrLordX]

what is exactly a problem with that CPU
its completely normal for a supplier to find alternative if the ordered product is not available
what is so sexy ? I am missing something?

Now that I know that the story pertains only to some embedded device supplier requiring more G3420s, I ask the same question. Someone somewhere must have had a very specific upgrade path in mind for their embedded device that wasn't available due to Intel's 14nm shortage, so they just stuck with an old design. To you or I, it's simply a matter of switching hardware entirely to some cheap AMD chip (or whatever) since they're compatible and 99.999999% likely should be able to run the same embedded software. To the device vendor, they may not be thinking that way at all.

 

[LikeLinus]

They HAD 82% of the market.

AMD is outselling Intel like 3 or 4 to one lately.

Can you please provide data that backs up that information?

AMD continues to steal CPU market share – but Intel isn't going down without a fight

A new market share report reveals just how well AMD is doing

www.techradar.com

"AMD now has an 18% market share when it comes to the desktop CPU market. "

100%-18% = 82% (as of 3Q 2019, the latest info available)

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID....

AMD Gains Data Center CPU Market Share from Intel

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) is one of the best-performing semiconductor stocks of 2019, beating 100% year-to-date growth.

articles2.marketrealist.com

"Speaking of data center CPUs, Intel is still the leader with over a 95% market share. "

AMD continues to erode Intel's CPU market share

A report from market analyst firm Mercury Research shows that AMD is experiencing growth in all segments of the industry, thanks in no small part to its...

www.techspot.com

"It’s a similar story in the server market, where AMD now holds a 4.3 percent share, "

All based on 3Q info

Desktops = Intel has 82%
Servers = Intel has 95.6%
Data Centers = Intel has 95%

I will me MORE THAN HAPPY to admit I'm wrong if you can show data to back up that AMD is selling 3-4X the amount of CPUs as Intel. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. But all of those articles are less than a month old and tell a completely different story with data to back them up. AMD is indeed taking market share, but not at the rate you claim.



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[cytg111]

Agreed. I still run on a 4770K and am happy with it more than 6 years after buying it.

But in this case Intel is talking about bringing back the G3420. 2 cores blocked at 3.2 GHz. Not the same category as the 4770/4790L

4770 + 1080ti here, not a single problem in any current AAA title

 

[Markfw]

Can you please provide data that backs up that information?

AMD continues to steal CPU market share – but Intel isn't going down without a fight

A new market share report reveals just how well AMD is doing

www.techradar.com

"AMD now has an 18% market share when it comes to the desktop CPU market. "

100%-18% = 82% (as of 3Q 2019, the latest info available)

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID....

AMD Gains Data Center CPU Market Share from Intel

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) is one of the best-performing semiconductor stocks of 2019, beating 100% year-to-date growth.

articles2.marketrealist.com

"Speaking of data center CPUs, Intel is still the leader with over a 95% market share. "

AMD continues to erode Intel's CPU market share

A report from market analyst firm Mercury Research shows that AMD is experiencing growth in all segments of the industry, thanks in no small part to its...

www.techspot.com

"It’s a similar story in the server market, where AMD now holds a 4.3 percent share, "

All based on 3Q info

Desktops = Intel has 82%
Servers = Intel has 95.6%
Data Centers = Intel has 95%

I will me MORE THAN HAPPY to admit I'm wrong if you can show data to back up that AMD is selling 3-4X the amount of CPUs as Intel. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. But all of those articles are less than a month old and tell a completely different story with data to back them up. AMD is indeed taking market share, but not at the rate you claim.



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Here is what I saw, about 4 times the sales

https://imgur.com/a/Pq1RH2h

And all of your own links say AMD is stealing market share. THATS MY POINT, its happening. Its not there yet, but they are loosing sales and market share, thanks for helping me prove my point.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Haswell has ~%5 less IPC than Skylake. It's a perfectly viable core that Intel has failed to deprecate, so of course it's still a usable product. Are Sandy and Ivy all that different?

 

[Markfw]

Haswell has ~%5 less IPC than Skylake. It's a perfectly viable core that Intel has failed to deprecate, so of course it's still a usable product. Are Sandy and Ivy all that different?

They may all be usable, but when you buy a new computer, don't you think people want a CPU thats NOT 6 years old ? with the security flaws ? and lower performance and more heat and power usage ? I have right now, a 4790k. I can't even sell it, nobody wants it. And I have 2 different 14 core Xeons that I can't sell, in fact I had an extra motherboard I could not sell, so I got a Xeon E5-2693v3 off of ebay for $123 !

Edit: I also have a 2600k that I can't sell. And a I7-920. Everybody wants new tech.

 

[burninatortech4]

Not sure I believe this. Are 22nm fabs even still operating?

Yes. Intel still makes budget chipsets and some RF components on 22nm.

 

[jpiniero]

They may all be usable, but when you buy a new computer, don't you think people want a CPU thats NOT 6 years old ?

Again, this is embedded. Lifecycles are very long.

Yes. Intel still makes budget chipsets and some RF components on 22nm.

Lakefield's base die is using 22FFL. Presumably the refresh is too.

 

[geokilla]

They HAD 82% of the market. With the fact that other than pure gaming, their dektop chips loose in every other benchmark, their HEDT lineup is even beaten by AMD's top consumer chip, their server chips are obliterated by the Rome EPYC chips, their own management is saying they hope they only loose 20% of the server market, etc... No they won't go bankrupt, not even close. But right now they are loosing market share, and customer confidence, sales etc. Their short term is looking bleak IMO. And continuing ancient products does not help any of the above. In the computer world, a 6 year old CPU is ancient. And anyone who can not see this has blinders on, or has some serious other issues going on.

Edit: Too bad we don't have sales figures like the EU does. AMD is outselling Intel like 3 or 4 to one lately. Look at the supercomputer contracts ? The major cloud provider contract that AMD has won lately ? Its not JUST benchmarks they are loosing, its also sales.

For what it's worth, when I joined my new company last year, I got a brand new laptop. The laptop is slow as molasses despite having a Toshiba 256GB SCSI drive (SSD?), 16GB RAM, and Intel Core it 6300U. Just booting it up takes 5 minutes. But the point is, while consumers may not want these old CPUs, corporations with large IT departments (over 1k computers) definitely do.

 

[Nereus77]

For what it's worth, when I joined my new company last year, I got a brand new laptop. The laptop is slow as molasses despite having a Toshiba 256GB SCSI drive (SSD?), 16GB RAM, and Intel Core it 6300U. Just booting it up takes 5 minutes. But the point is, while consumers may not want these old CPUs, corporations with large IT departments (over 1k computers) definitely do.

Slow as molasses? 5 mins to boot? 16GB RAM?
What you have there is a hard drive, sir.

 

[Shmee]

Haswell-E was a good CPU, but this is not so interesting. I pity whoever gets one of these computers.

 

[positivedoppler]

They may all be usable, but when you buy a new computer, don't you think people want a CPU thats NOT 6 years old ? with the security flaws ? and lower performance and more heat and power usage ? I have right now, a 4790k. I can't even sell it, nobody wants it. And I have 2 different 14 core Xeons that I can't sell, in fact I had an extra motherboard I could not sell, so I got a Xeon E5-2693v3 off of ebay for $123 !

Edit: I also have a 2600k that I can't sell. And a I7-920. Everybody wants new tech.

wanna sale anything at a bargain bin price to me

 

[VirtualLarry]

wanna sale anything at a bargain bin price to me

Serious? I got systems. PM me.

 

[geokilla]

Slow as molasses? 5 mins to boot? 16GB RAM?
What you have there is a hard drive, sir.

I searched the Toshiba drive and it's a SSD.

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[Nereus77]

I searched the Toshiba drive and it's a SSD.

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Well I'll be damned.

I had a similarly specced PC at my previous job and it pretty much flew all day from when I pressed the power button. I literally couldn't throw anything at it that would slow it down. Something has to be amiss somewhere. I suggest a fresh install of Windows 10, install all updates, most current drivers, etc.

No ways should that be slow.

 

[Zepp]

Well I'll be damned.

No ways should that be slow.

It's corporate bloatware, my work machine has the same problem.