Indictments coming...

[TeeJay1952]

That is as disgusting as the shit we eat everyday watching the news!

 

[GoPackGo]

Everyone needs to remember that Trump is Cohen's only client.

 

[jackstar7]

So about that pee tape...

 

[Maxima1]

It's obvious why he's doing this. It signals to all that a pardon will be available.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/donald-trump-scooter-libby-pardon/index.html

Official: Trump expected to pardon Scooter Libby

 

[nickqt]

It's obvious why he's doing this. It signals to all that a pardon will be available.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/donald-trump-scooter-libby-pardon/index.html

Official: Trump expected to pardon Scooter Libby

Making America Great Again.

One pardon at a time.

 

[trenchfoot]

Everyone needs to remember that Trump is Cohen's only client.

A classic example of two pieces of shit joined at both ends, bound by the weaving of the stench, the lies, deceit and chicanery both pieces reek of.

edit - syntax

 

[Puffnstuff]

Making America Great Again.

One pardon at a time.

He needs a new slogan. How about PATA: Pardoning American Thugs Again?

 

[Younigue]

A classic example of two pieces of shit joined at both ends, bound by the weaving of the stench, the lies, deceit and chicanery both pieces reek of.

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You do paint a picture sir! LOL! Awesome!

 

[kage69]

So about that pee tape...

Yeah, the shorty from Sochi feels insulted. Russian military prestige takes another little ding. I think Moscow should be happy, Assad's not supposed to have any of these weapons left, remember? And that was on Russia. At least this time it didn't cost them 200-300 fighters.

Makes me wonder if it's going to happen. Dump asking Comey to look into if there was a tape makes me think there was a tape. So...

 

[Greenman]

So it's almost the one year anniversary of this thread, and some 2700 posts pointing out Trumps crimes and obvious (to some) guilt. Is Cohen going to be the smoking gun? Is there some evidence of a crime that actually involves Trump? It's surprisingly difficult to find information either way that isn't based on wishful thinking and spin.

 

[nickqt]

So it's almost the one year anniversary of this thread, and some 2700 posts pointing out Trumps crimes and obvious (to some) guilt. Is Cohen going to be the smoking gun? Is there some evidence of a crime that actually involves Trump? It's surprisingly difficult to find information either way that isn't based on wishful thinking and spin.

So are you saying that you haven't seen any indictments yet?

 

[Greenman]

So are you saying that you haven't seen any indictments yet?

Not against Trump.

 

[skull]

Not against Trump.

If you knew I hung out with bad guys that sold drugs, broke in cars/houses, assaulted people would you assume I was innocent?

 

[ivwshane]

So it's almost the one year anniversary of this thread, and some 2700 posts pointing out Trumps crimes and obvious (to some) guilt. Is Cohen going to be the smoking gun? Is there some evidence of a crime that actually involves Trump? It's surprisingly difficult to find information either way that isn't based on wishful thinking and spin.

I love exposing piece of shit hypocrites like you!

From 1/9/2016 regarding the investigation of Hillary.

Isn't it sometimes difficult to determine if a crime has been committed without an investigation?

Simply proclaiming that Hillary did nothing is every bit as stupid as proclaiming her guilt. Why not let the FBI actually look into the matter before deciding the outcome?

8/13/2015

That's why there is an investigation.
As secretary of state, Hillary had access to a secure and probably well managed email system. Instead of using that she used an unsecured server at her home. She said no secret information passed through her private server, given that she wouldn't lie about such a thing, that means she did use the state department email for sensitive information. That leads to the next obvious question, why? Why go through the trouble of using two different systems, two different addresses, having two sets of information to correlate? Why would an intelligent, well organized person operate that way? How did she verify that someone sending her information didn't accidentally use her home email?

I can think of several reasons for her doing this, they rang from stupid to criminal. It needs to be looked at.

Of course, unlike the Hillary investigations, we have actual charges and crimes and people that have been indicted, curiously, they are all connected to trump. Lets see how this one investigation turns out, I'm sure if the Democrats launch 7 other investigations you'll show the same desire to wait and see.

 

[umbrella39]

You just served Greenman a steaming plate of STFU. Well done. Should be embarrassed but it usually just emboldens the America haters...

 

[trenchfoot]

From the get-go of Mueller's investigation into the Trump Camp's involvement with the Russians and the peripheral crimes it has uncovered, the trend has been consistently leaning in the direction of findings of malfeasance of the highest order from most every level of Trump's hierarchy of sycophants.

It's been fascinating to witness how FOX "News" have been attempting to smear every aspect of the investigation being conducted and how they've conveniently ignored so much of the mounting evidence, convictions and cooperation being offered by former associates and cabinet members of Trump.

What's worse, if his surrogates and cabinet picks weren't directly implicated in the Russia investigation then they were invariably involved with tearing down the very fabric of the system of gov't as we knew it and all of it was definitely not for the benefit of the working class folks whose interests and concerns were either ignored or worked against in such a blatant arrogant fashion.

And to top it all off, we've had to bear the insulting and callous way the Repub led House and Senate have embarrassingly bowed to the wishes of the donor class that owns their asses and gave them what they demanded and really didn't need, even at the cost of their seats, such is the grip they have over the careers and lives of these crooked corrupted "representatives of the people".

I guess the very wealthy had a point to prove against the peasants they lord over.

 

[Greenman]

I love exposing piece of shit hypocrites like you!

From 1/9/2016 regarding the investigation of Hillary.


8/13/2015


Of course, unlike the Hillary investigations, we have actual charges and crimes and people that have been indicted, curiously, they are all connected to trump. Lets see how this one investigation turns out, I'm sure if the Democrats launch 7 other investigations you'll show the same desire to wait and see.

That's some serious rage you have going on there. Pity that it only makes you look the fool.
The only thing you exposed was that I didn't jump to conclusions, and that I'm apparently a fairly reasonable fellow.

 

[Greenman]

You just served Greenman a steaming plate of STFU. Well done. Should be embarrassed but it usually just emboldens the America haters...

I don't understand how impotent rage is a "steaming pile of STFU". It comes across as a childish tantrum to me.
You seem to be under the impression that your opinion is beyond reproach, that anyone who questions your decrees is an enemy that has to be stopped. But all your doing is holding your breath and kicking your feet. I asked a somewhat reasonable question, you fellows are responding with a tantrum. That isn't winning.

 

[Greenman]

From the get-go of Mueller's investigation into the Trump Camp's involvement with the Russians and the peripheral crimes it has uncovered, the trend has been consistently leaning in the direction of findings of malfeasance of the highest order from most every level of Trump's hierarchy of sycophants.

It's been fascinating to witness how FOX "News" have been attempting to smear every aspect of the investigation being conducted and how they've conveniently ignored so much of the mounting evidence, convictions and cooperation being offered by former associates and cabinet members of Trump.

What's worse, if his surrogates and cabinet picks weren't directly implicated in the Russia investigation then they were invariably involved with tearing down the very fabric of the system of gov't as we knew it and all of it was definitely not for the benefit of the working class folks whose interests and concerns were either ignored or worked against in such a blatant arrogant fashion.

And to top it all off, we've had to bear the insulting and callous way the Repub led House and Senate have embarrassingly bowed to the wishes of the donor class that owns their asses and gave them what they demanded and really didn't need, even at the cost of their seats, such is the grip they have over the careers and lives of these crooked corrupted "representatives of the people".

I guess the very wealthy had a point to prove against the peasants they lord over.

Thank you for a reasoned response. While not exactly on point, it's orders of magnitude more informative than the sputtering belligerence of the last two.

 

[Sunburn74]

I don't understand how impotent rage is a "steaming pile of STFU". It comes across as a childish tantrum to me.
You seem to be under the impression that your opinion is beyond reproach, that anyone who questions your decrees is an enemy that has to be stopped. But all your doing is holding your breath and kicking your feet. I asked a somewhat reasonable question, you fellows are responding with a tantrum. That isn't winning.

Look it's hard claim trump is a saint that just happens to be sitting in the middle of a den of criminals. Just very hard to say that particularly when he's the boss of all these guys who are being indicted and pleading guilty left and right.

That's pretty what mob bosses would claim. "I didn't kill this guy or whack that lady. I had nothing to do with that guy being buried in concrete and I don't know know where the money my accountant put in my account came from. Go ask him". Left and right their underlings would take the fall. However at the end of the day we all knew who was responsible.

 

[Greenman]

Look it's hard claim trump is a saint that just happens to be sitting in the middle of a den of criminals. Just very hard to say that particularly when he's the boss of all these guys who are being indicted and pleading guilty left and right.

That's pretty what mob bosses would claim. "I didn't kill this guy or whack that lady. I had nothing to do with that guy being buried in concrete and left and right their underlings would take the fall. And I don't know know where the money my accountant put in my account came from. Go ask him". At the end of the day we all knew who was responsible.

Fair enough. There is certainly enough evidence to assume that Trump at least had some knowledge of what was going on around him. But the point of my original post was that it's been a year, we've had 2700 posts of speculation. Some people connected to Trump are facing charges that they may or may not be convicted of, but there still isn't a credible case against Trump. What happened to the Russian collusion that started the whole thing? I can't find information about that that isn't spun out of rumor and blog posts. All I can find are extremists on either side proclaiming victory based on speculation.

 

[Sunburn74]

Everyone needs to remember that Trump is Cohen's only client.

Is this true? I never knew that.

Fair enough. There is certainly enough evidence to assume that Trump at least had some knowledge of what was going on around him. But the point of my original post was that it's been a year, we've had 2700 posts of speculation. Some people connected to Trump are facing charges that they may or may not be convicted of, but there still isn't a credible case against Trump. What happened to the Russian collusion that started the whole thing? I can't find information about that that isn't spun out of rumor and blog posts. All I can find are extremists on either side proclaiming victory based on speculation.

I dunno. Some people think the collusion thing is a white whale. Others think it's right down the pipe.

Personally I think it's a white whale that probably will never be proven. I suspect a lot of people will take the fall but they may never get the big cheese. However what is clear to me is Trump intentionally never allowed himself to be vetted by the RNC unlike every other candidate. He refused to let them do a background check and the reasons for it are becoming more and more clear each day. To this day he continues to hide his tax returns and the scope of his business dealings are unknown. He appears to be quite deep in illegal activity related or unrelated to russia and that may very well be his downfall.

That's the thing about politics. You can't keep things secret anymore once you are no longer a private citizen. It all comes out.

 

[alien42]

Is this true? I never knew that.

we'll all know soon enough...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/13/michael-cohen-hearing-fbi-raid-522053

"Cohen has told at least one witness that he has only client — President Trump"

 

[Younigue]

That's some serious rage you have going on there. Pity that it only makes you look the fool.
The only thing you exposed was that I didn't jump to conclusions, and that I'm apparently a fairly reasonable fellow.

It takes a fool of extraordinary depth to deduce from ivwshane's response that he is the fool. Ya got owned biatch, it's hilarious that you don't see it.

Well done @ivwshane ! Sorry he is literally too stupid to get it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Fair enough. There is certainly enough evidence to assume that Trump at least had some knowledge of what was going on around him. But the point of my original post was that it's been a year, we've had 2700 posts of speculation. Some people connected to Trump are facing charges that they may or may not be convicted of, but there still isn't a credible case against Trump. What happened to the Russian collusion that started the whole thing? I can't find information about that that isn't spun out of rumor and blog posts. All I can find are extremists on either side proclaiming victory based on speculation.

These things take years to play out. Watergate. Iran-Contra. Whitewater. the Plame affair. There's always a lot of "insider information" & jumping to conclusions over it, too.

OTOH, there are also observable events and the reactions of the players to them. This raid on Cohen's office seems to have unhinged Trump rather badly. Attorney-client privilege does not apply to criminal conspiracy. If the warrant stands then anything the FBI finds in the files is fair game.

It was all going along in a very lawyerly fashion with the back & forth of disclosure & document production & blah, blah, blah up 'til now. This is entirely different. This is Mueller going for the throat, make no mistake about it.