India - Pakistan Crisis

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

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That may be the case, but the cynic in me says that India is making a power play on the sub-continent. There is no love lost between the two countries, despite both countries wanting to improve relations. Pakistan, rightfully, is wary of India's actions, just as India is wary of Pakistan's actions. A war at this time would prove catastrophic for both sides.

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Let's see, nearly 200 of it's people have been killed in a horrific manner at national landmarks by a bunch of puppets of the Pakistani army and it's ISI extension (something every country in the world except Pakistan accepts); the Indian people want answers and you're saying that India is making a power play when the Indian Govt. is asking Pakistan for accountability?

As far as Pakistan's insecurity is concerned, India could easily have roiled the pot in Pakistan itself over the last decade by taking advantage of the fault-lines of seismic proportions that have developed there. India chose not to. The insecurity stems from within, not without.

The fundamental source of Pakistan's hatred for India that throws up such brazen provocation stems from the ideology of it's creation which is as an "anti-India". This ideology is drummed into every kid from birth and is the basic motivation of all actions of the all-powerful Pakistani army and it's surrogates. That is why it's response is so half-hearted on it's Western border parts of which are all but lost but the eastern border is so sacrosanct that talk of "nukes" arise as soon as it is threatened.

As far as war itself is concerned, Pakistanis should stop deluding themselves that they are dealing with chumps across their eastern border, whose intelligence can be insulted time and again. They made that mistake in 1965, 1971, 1999 with fatal consequences. If they care for their country, they should start asking their own army questions about how they are being put in harm's way by it's actions. Some are starting to do just as can be gleaned from Pakistani newspapers.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Some of you Americans have been filled with hate against us muslims. To hell with calling yourselves secular. You hate us because of our religion. And not because of what you know about it. You hate us because of what your media tells you. Oppressors live short lives.

lol you can't be fucking serious.

I've got to think it's a madhouse over there.

 

[palehorse]

TGB, when are you going to start taking responsibility for the hatred and violence bred on your own soil which is then being exported throughout the rest of the world in the form of violent fanaticism and terrorism?

I suggest you actively start cleaning house. The hour is fast approaching when the entire rest of the world will be forced to take care of matters themselves... do you not see that? Are you really so blind to your own internal house of rats?

Fix it, or we will. It's that fucking simple.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Have you been to Pakistan?

No, I have not been to Pakistan. However, you do not need to have visited a country to have an opinion on it. Pakistan is in horrible shape, it's quite well documented. The country is already on the edge of economic collapse. It's a failing country at this moment.

We will probably avenge the strikes by striking at their illegal dams built in violation of the Indus Water Treaty.

You can dream, but the reality is that Pakistan would probably do nothing. If India performed limited strikes against terrorist targets within Pakistan, most of the world would probably be far more understanding after the complete inability of Pakistan in controlling its territory from terrorist activities. On the other hand, if Pakistan just did a random attack against some dams, you can pretty much guarantee that there would be worldwide condemnation against Pakistan.

I think that Pakistanis need to realize that they cannot be a real competitor against India anymore. One is becoming a strong economic power and will follow to be a military power, while Pakistan seems to be headed in the opposite direction.

 

[The Green Bean]

ISLAMABAD: Interpol secretary general Ronald Noble met with Adviser to the Prime Minister on Interior Rehman Malik and discussed the post Mumbai attacks situation.

A five-member delegation of Interpol led by secretary general arrived in Islamabad Tuesday.

The Interpol chief informed Rehman Malik about the Indian stance on the issue. The interior Adviser told the Interpol chief that no substantial evidence produced by India to Pakistan about alleged links of Pakistani nationals in Mumbai attacks.

Will people just go rambling on ignoring the lack of proof of Pakistani involvement?

 

[The Green Bean]

Pakistan fighting militants in the West.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7778388.stm

If there are more Indian threats we will be forced to withdraw troops from there. That will mean the militants and terrorists taking refuge there will be able to rebuild to carry out their "operations."

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan fighting militants in the West.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7778388.stm

If there are more Indian threats we will be forced to withdraw troops from there. That will mean the militants and terrorists taking refuge there will be able to rebuild to carry out their "operations."

Taliban to back Pak army in case of war with India

Hunted by the US and NATO forces for committing acts of terror in Afghanistan, the Taliban said on Tuesday that they would back the Pakistan Army by deploying hundreds of suicide bombers in case of any military action with India.

Claiming that "thousands of our well-armed militants are ready to fight alongside the army if any war is imposed on Pakistan," chief of the outlawed Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Baitullah Mehsud, told ?The News? daily by phone from an undisclosed location.

Hundreds of would-be bombers had been "given suicide jackets and explosive-laden vehicles for protection of the border in case of any aggression by the Indian forces", he said.

"The time had come, to wage a real jihad that the Taliban had been waiting for," Mehsud, for whom the Pakistani and US forces are on the look out claimed.

"We know very well that the visible and invisible enemies of the country have been planning to weaken this lone Islamic nuclear power. But the mujahideen will foil all such nefarious designs of our enemies," he said.

This is for the first time Mehsud has admitted that Taliban has marshalled thousands of fighters close to the Afghan-Pak border and where Pakistani army has launched a major operation to flush them out.

Mehsud said people might question how the Taliban would fight alongside the Pakistan Army when the militants had been fighting the force for a long time.

"Therefore, I want to make it clear that the army was acting otherwise (in the past). But now it would fight for the protection and survival of the country, which is why we will support them," Mehsud said.

Mehsud, who was accused by former President Pervez Musharraf of masterminding the assassination of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto in December last year, significantly said the Taliban would defend the country's frontier with Afghanistan in the event of hostilities with India.

He said he wanted to "assure the nation, government and army that they should not worry about Pakistan's western borders with Afghanistan" as "thousands of his armed fighters had already been deployed to safeguard the strategically important frontier".

Taliban fighters are ready to fight under the army's command, he said, but remarked it would be better for the military to "give them a separate sector or specify special targets" for the militants".

Tensions have escalated in the region after India blamed Pakistan-elements for the Mumbai terror attacks, which killed over 180 people. India has asked Pakistan to take action against elements, including the Lashker-e-Taiba terror group.

Though India has said war is not an option, Pakistan's top leaders, including Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, have said the country is prepared to face any aggression on the eastern border. Several Taliban commanders have pledged their support to the Pakistan Army in the event of hostilities with India.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Taliban-to-back-Pak-army-in-case-of-war-with-India/401940/

Clearly you guys have been fighting tooth and nail against the Taliban
:disgust:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: KGBMAN
Bean,

In a previous thread I lauded your participation and viewpoints and even encouraged more.
However, the same question needs to be answered: When will your country do something about the ISI? They are playing both sides against the middle and are part of the problem; not the solution.

I think signaling out the ISI is unfair. Pakistan has concrete evidence against the RAW fueling the insurgency in Balochistan. I Refuse to believe the ISI had anything to do with the Mumbai attacks until someone shows me solid proof. The burden of proof is on India's shoulders not mine. Why should I believe something just because a million people say so? There are hundreds of terrorists groups working inside India like the Maoists. It could very well be one of them.

There was a time when I thought my countrymen were hateful against India. But now seeing that India blames everything on us this hatefulness is justified.

I also find it ridiculous that with the satellite defense system India has a naval vessel could actually land on the shore of a major city laden with weapons and use them like the did. What I find more ridiculous is people actually believe that. Indian Coast guard ships arrest Pakistani fishermen everyday for crossing into Indian waters. How this boat could have got through beats me.

And if India wants to go to war; let them. We will give them a befitting reply. Oppressors seldom win. They are just taking advantage of the situation we are in.

And guess who the biggest losers of the war will be? It will be the Americans in Afghanistan. We have 100,000 troops on the Afghan border fighting the Taliban which will be shifted to the eastern border the moment war breaks out.
Even though I consider nukes to be immoral and should be banned, the Pakistani army might use them causing the whole region to be turned into ash.

Thats laughable......your troops fighting the Taliban...hahaha...yeah sure......in fact pakistani troops are like the Viet Cong use to be.....friends by day enemies by night!!

Dude you are way too funny!!

 

[The Green Bean]

ISLAMABAD: The chief of Interpol said Tuesday that India had not yet authorised the sharing of any information with the global police agency about those allegedly involved in the Mumbai attacks.
Interpol secretary general Ronald Noble made the statement after talks with Pakistani interior ministry chief Rehman Malik about the ongoing investigation into the attacks, which India has blamed on Pakistan-based militants.
'To date, India's government has not authorised India's police agencies to enter any data relating to the recent terrorist attacks in Mumbai into Interpol's databases,' Noble told a joint press conference.
'The information Interpol has about what happened in Mumbai is the same information that you have ? it's information that was read in journals, that was read on the Internet or that was seen on TV.'
New Delhi has blamed last month's attacks, which left 172 people dead, on the banned militant group Lashkar-i-Taiba (LeT).
India says the gunmen were trained and equipped by LeT and travelled to Mumbai on a hijacked trawler from Karachi. The group has denied any involvement.
Under pressure from India and the United States, Pakistan has cracked down on the group and an Islamic charity regarded as a front organisation, but New Delhi says it has not done enough.
Noble said Pakistan had been 'among the most active contributors' to Interpol's efforts in the past, adding officials here told him they 'would be willing to cooperate via Interpol to help India further its investigation.'
'We want to bring the culprits to justice,' Malik, who has been leading Pakistan's counter-terrorism efforts, told reporters.
'We are prepared to cooperate with India but they have to bring us evidence.'
When asked if it was unusual for India not to have agreed to Interpol's request for data-sharing, the Interpol chief said it was New Delhi's 'sovereign choice' to decide when and if to agree.
But he expressed hope that more information would soon be forthcoming, following the deployment of a team of Interpol investigators in India this past week.
In talks with Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram at the weekend, Noble had promised to help New Delhi gather information about the 10 Mumbai attackers, nine of whom were killed.
The lone surviving gunman, Mohammed Ajmal Amir Iman, is in Indian custody.
He has reportedly written a letter which says he and the other attackers were Pakistani nationals, requesting assistance from Pakistani diplomats in the Indian capital. Islamabad says it is examining the letter.

 

[The Green Bean]

And India on the other hand continues to blame Pakistan.

NEW DELHI: India asked Pakistan on Tuesday to avoid 'war hysteria' and simply act to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure operating in its country.
'The issue is not war, the issue is terror and territory in Pakistan being used to promote, aid and abet this terror,' Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told reporters. 'Nobody wants war.'
India has blamed Pakistani militants for last month's attacks on Mumbai that killed 179 people and says Pakistan is not fulfilling a promise to crack down on extremists and prevent them using its soil to attack other countries.
As tension between the nuclear-armed South Asian neighbours simmered, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani warned on Monday that the armed forces were fully capable of defending the country and the people would be united if war was imposed.
But Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said Pakistan should focus on the issues. 'The issue is not creating war hysteria or raising accusing finger against others.'
'(The) question is there has been a sinister, heinous terrorist attack on Mumbai from the elements in Pakistan. India has requested Pakistan to take action against the perpetrators,' he told reporters.
Mukherjee has previously said 'all options' were open to India to pressure Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks, but analysts said a military strike remains very unlikely.
Instead India is trying to build an international diplomatic consensus to put pressure on Pakistan, and has received support from the United States and the United Nations.
Pakistan strenuously denies any state links to the Mumbai attack.

Not raising accusations? That's what they have been doing all the way without ANY PROOF. Are you people on the forums really stupid or what? No wonder it was so easy for Bush to trick you so many times.

 

[theflyingpig]

No, The Green Bean, you are the fool being tricked. Everyone can see it but you. It's quite sad, really.

 

[sciwizam]

Try to post links to the news articles.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
Try to post links to the news articles.

everything is here:

www.dawn.net

 

[sciwizam]

Press Trust of India: FBI completes probe in Mumbai attack; indicates Pak role

New Delhi, Dec 23 (PTI) Less than a month after the unprecedented terror strikes in Mumbai, US' FBI has completed its probe in India and found evidence of a Pakistan security establishment being involved in the carnage and its team was likely to go there to prepare a chargesheet against the guilty. As the FBI winds up the probe that commenced on December one, the top US Intelligence official John Michael McConnell, who heads the Director of National Intelligence, air dashed to the national capital and held series of meetings with the FBI team probing the case.

The FBI is understood to have found evidence about the role of a Pakistani security establishment other than the ISI being involved in the November 26 terror strikes in Mumbai that left over 180 people dead including six American nationals, official sources said.

While the name of the Pakistan establishment involved in the attack was not clear immediately, the sources did not rule out the possibility of active and direct involvement of its Army.
The sources said McConnell has passed on the findings of FBI team to the officials in the Government and the US probe agency would now be giving final touches to chargesheet in which it would be naming the accused persons.

The FBI had registered a case in the Mumbai terror strikes as according to the US laws, the agency had to file a chargesheet in case of a death or torture of any American national outside the country. PTI

Link

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan fighting militants in the West.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7778388.stm

If there are more Indian threats we will be forced to withdraw troops from there. That will mean the militants and terrorists taking refuge there will be able to rebuild to carry out their "operations."

Taliban to back Pak army in case of war with India

Hunted by the US and NATO forces for committing acts of terror in Afghanistan, the Taliban said on Tuesday that they would back the Pakistan Army by deploying hundreds of suicide bombers in case of any military action with India.

Claiming that "thousands of our well-armed militants are ready to fight alongside the army if any war is imposed on Pakistan," chief of the outlawed Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, Baitullah Mehsud, told ?The News? daily by phone from an undisclosed location.

Hundreds of would-be bombers had been "given suicide jackets and explosive-laden vehicles for protection of the border in case of any aggression by the Indian forces", he said.

"The time had come, to wage a real jihad that the Taliban had been waiting for," Mehsud, for whom the Pakistani and US forces are on the look out claimed.

"We know very well that the visible and invisible enemies of the country have been planning to weaken this lone Islamic nuclear power. But the mujahideen will foil all such nefarious designs of our enemies," he said.

This is for the first time Mehsud has admitted that Taliban has marshalled thousands of fighters close to the Afghan-Pak border and where Pakistani army has launched a major operation to flush them out.

Mehsud said people might question how the Taliban would fight alongside the Pakistan Army when the militants had been fighting the force for a long time.

"Therefore, I want to make it clear that the army was acting otherwise (in the past). But now it would fight for the protection and survival of the country, which is why we will support them," Mehsud said.

Mehsud, who was accused by former President Pervez Musharraf of masterminding the assassination of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto in December last year, significantly said the Taliban would defend the country's frontier with Afghanistan in the event of hostilities with India.

He said he wanted to "assure the nation, government and army that they should not worry about Pakistan's western borders with Afghanistan" as "thousands of his armed fighters had already been deployed to safeguard the strategically important frontier".

Taliban fighters are ready to fight under the army's command, he said, but remarked it would be better for the military to "give them a separate sector or specify special targets" for the militants".

Tensions have escalated in the region after India blamed Pakistan-elements for the Mumbai terror attacks, which killed over 180 people. India has asked Pakistan to take action against elements, including the Lashker-e-Taiba terror group.

Though India has said war is not an option, Pakistan's top leaders, including Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, have said the country is prepared to face any aggression on the eastern border. Several Taliban commanders have pledged their support to the Pakistan Army in the event of hostilities with India.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Taliban-to-back-Pak-army-in-case-of-war-with-India/401940/

Clearly you guys have been fighting tooth and nail against the Taliban
:disgust:

It's for religious and cultural reasons that the Taliban would assist Pak against India. Indians are mostly Hindu which is something the Taliban would never tolerate even if they are at war against Muslim Pakistan. If the US is having problems with the Taliban, I can only imagine what kind of trouble a 3rd world military like India would face. Plus lets face it, Pak probably would use all its nukes on India if faced with imminent invasion or major hostilities so both of these toothless tigers are better off working on a dialogue than sabre rattling.

 

[MegaWorks]

The Green Bean what are you doing? You're arguing with people that pay the imaginary federal income tax annually. That level of stupidity is beyond me, so don't wast your time here.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Have you been to Pakistan?

No, I have not been to Pakistan. However, you do not need to have visited a country to have an opinion on it. Pakistan is in horrible shape, it's quite well documented. The country is already on the edge of economic collapse. It's a failing country at this moment.

We will probably avenge the strikes by striking at their illegal dams built in violation of the Indus Water Treaty.

You can dream, but the reality is that Pakistan would probably do nothing. If India performed limited strikes against terrorist targets within Pakistan, most of the world would probably be far more understanding after the complete inability of Pakistan in controlling its territory from terrorist activities. On the other hand, if Pakistan just did a random attack against some dams, you can pretty much guarantee that there would be worldwide condemnation against Pakistan.

I think that Pakistanis need to realize that they cannot be a real competitor against India anymore. One is becoming a strong economic power and will follow to be a military power, while Pakistan seems to be headed in the opposite direction.

Well, the fact that India is becoming an economic powerhouse is only true in absolute numbers. Relatively, India and Pakistan have parity with each other. In terms of per capita, India and Pakistan are about the same (~$2600). Pakistan's GDP was growing at a rate of about 6% during Musharraf's reign. I haven't paid much attention since he stepped down. However, no doubt about it, 2008 was a disaster for Pakistan. Economically, militarily, and public relations, these all went down the shitter in 2008.

Pakistan has been working on cleaning house, at least publicly saying so. From speaking with my relatives over there, the Taliban is very unpopular and only a few pockets of support exist. India has it's own problems with terrorist groups as well. In 2004, I believe, over 900 Muslims were killed in riots instigated by extremist Hindu groups. However, India's terrorist groups act mainly domestically, meaning within India proper, while Pakistan's terrorist groups do both domestic and international damage. Neither of them are defensible and I sincerely hope that Pakistan does make good on it's promise to clean house.

Finally, Pakistan's infrastructure is miles ahead of India's, at least from what I've seen. Having visited both countries, I can safely say that Pakistan has a lot more amenities than India, at least in Karachi vs Bombay/New Delhi. Neither country has acceptable running water, but at least Pakistan has reliable plumbing and traversable roads. In a course of 3 weeks in New Delhi, the plumbing simply did not work at all. While in Pakistan, I never had a single issue with plumbing, from the slums to the rich areas. Likewise, there are just some roads on India that you cannot travel on, the structure is just that bad. At least in Pakistan, most of the roads are traversable. They may not be up to Western standards, but they suffice.

 

[nixium]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Have you been to Pakistan?

No, I have not been to Pakistan. However, you do not need to have visited a country to have an opinion on it. Pakistan is in horrible shape, it's quite well documented. The country is already on the edge of economic collapse. It's a failing country at this moment.

We will probably avenge the strikes by striking at their illegal dams built in violation of the Indus Water Treaty.

You can dream, but the reality is that Pakistan would probably do nothing. If India performed limited strikes against terrorist targets within Pakistan, most of the world would probably be far more understanding after the complete inability of Pakistan in controlling its territory from terrorist activities. On the other hand, if Pakistan just did a random attack against some dams, you can pretty much guarantee that there would be worldwide condemnation against Pakistan.

I think that Pakistanis need to realize that they cannot be a real competitor against India anymore. One is becoming a strong economic power and will follow to be a military power, while Pakistan seems to be headed in the opposite direction.

Well, the fact that India is becoming an economic powerhouse is only true in absolute numbers. Relatively, India and Pakistan have parity with each other. In terms of per capita, India and Pakistan are about the same (~$2600). Pakistan's GDP was growing at a rate of about 6% during Musharraf's reign. I haven't paid much attention since he stepped down. However, no doubt about it, 2008 was a disaster for Pakistan. Economically, militarily, and public relations, these all went down the shitter in 2008.

Pakistan has been working on cleaning house, at least publicly saying so. From speaking with my relatives over there, the Taliban is very unpopular and only a few pockets of support exist. India has it's own problems with terrorist groups as well. In 2004, I believe, over 900 Muslims were killed in riots instigated by extremist Hindu groups. However, India's terrorist groups act mainly domestically, meaning within India proper, while Pakistan's terrorist groups do both domestic and international damage. Neither of them are defensible and I sincerely hope that Pakistan does make good on it's promise to clean house.

Finally, Pakistan's infrastructure is miles ahead of India's, at least from what I've seen. Having visited both countries, I can safely say that Pakistan has a lot more amenities than India, at least in Karachi vs Bombay/New Delhi. Neither country has acceptable running water, but at least Pakistan has reliable plumbing and traversable roads. In a course of 3 weeks in New Delhi, the plumbing simply did not work at all. While in Pakistan, I never had a single issue with plumbing, from the slums to the rich areas. Likewise, there are just some roads on India that you cannot travel on, the structure is just that bad. At least in Pakistan, most of the roads are traversable. They may not be up to Western standards, but they suffice.

Anectodal evidence is always right! :roll:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Well, the fact that India is becoming an economic powerhouse is only true in absolute numbers. Relatively, India and Pakistan have parity with each other. In terms of per capita, India and Pakistan are about the same (~$2600). Pakistan's GDP was growing at a rate of about 6% during Musharraf's reign. I haven't paid much attention since he stepped down. However, no doubt about it, 2008 was a disaster for Pakistan. Economically, militarily, and public relations, these all went down the shitter in 2008.

Your first statement is even true of a country such as China. However, both China and India are experiencing greater growth than Pakistan.

Pakistan is simply a disaster right now and it's on the very edge of collapse and ruin.

Pakistan has been working on cleaning house, at least publicly saying so. From speaking with my relatives over there, the Taliban is very unpopular and only a few pockets of support exist. India has it's own problems with terrorist groups as well. In 2004, I believe, over 900 Muslims were killed in riots instigated by extremist Hindu groups. However, India's terrorist groups act mainly domestically, meaning within India proper, while Pakistan's terrorist groups do both domestic and international damage. Neither of them are defensible and I sincerely hope that Pakistan does make good on it's promise to clean house.

As you point out, there is a difference between domestic and international terrorist acts as far as other countries are concerned. Domestic threats have no effect on other countries while an international terrorist threat does and should be addressed or else face international consequences.

Finally, Pakistan's infrastructure is miles ahead of India's, at least from what I've seen. Having visited both countries, I can safely say that Pakistan has a lot more amenities than India, at least in Karachi vs Bombay/New Delhi. Neither country has acceptable running water, but at least Pakistan has reliable plumbing and traversable roads. In a course of 3 weeks in New Delhi, the plumbing simply did not work at all. While in Pakistan, I never had a single issue with plumbing, from the slums to the rich areas. Likewise, there are just some roads on India that you cannot travel on, the structure is just that bad. At least in Pakistan, most of the roads are traversable. They may not be up to Western standards, but they suffice.

That's fairly irrelevant, and quite frankly, anecdotal evidence is useless.

Again, Pakistan simply needs to realize that it cannot compete with a growing power like India. Once it comes to this realization, then perhaps it can concentrate on other more pressing issues within its domestic borders.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
That level of stupidity is beyond me

No, it isn't beyond you at all.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Sewers smell like shit

Have you been to a sewer?

Mods; please ban this pig.

The mods seem unwilling or unable to deal with the problems in Anandtechs outer territories.
Oh the ironing.

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[filetitan]

guys, arguing towards who's better or stronger is pointless. If this two go into full out conflict then there will be no winners and to top it off it might cause a unrecoverable chain reaction where huge amounts of human life would be lost. Now who in the right mind would want that type of course of action? Instead of discussing how this two could get along we are arguing towards who could destroy who first. This isn't a video game, refrain yourself from name calling and releasing so much negative energy towards one another. We are all human at the end and we need to break this horrible cycle of hatred towards one another.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: filetitan
guys, arguing towards who's better or stronger is pointless. If this two go into full out conflict then there will be no winners and to top it off it might cause a unrecoverable chain reaction where huge amounts of human life would be lost. Now who in the right mind would want that type of course of action? Instead of discussing how this two could get along we are arguing towards who could destroy who first. This isn't a video game, refrain yourself from name calling and releasing so much negative energy towards one another. We are all human at the end and we need to break this horrible cycle of hatred towards one another.

India will win, that much is certain. Also, your line of thinking that we need to end this cycle of hate is a quaint one. Open your eyes. Your silly Micky Mouse dreams will never come true. The cycle of hatred will never end. The killing will continue, just as it has for the entire history of mankind.

 

[filetitan]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: filetitan
guys, arguing towards who's better or stronger is pointless. If this two go into full out conflict then there will be no winners and to top it off it might cause a unrecoverable chain reaction where huge amounts of human life would be lost. Now who in the right mind would want that type of course of action? Instead of discussing how this two could get along we are arguing towards who could destroy who first. This isn't a video game, refrain yourself from name calling and releasing so much negative energy towards one another. We are all human at the end and we need to break this horrible cycle of hatred towards one another.

India will win, that much is certain. Also, your line of thinking that we need to end this cycle of hate is a quaint one. Open your eyes. Your silly Micky Mouse dreams will never come true. The cycle of hatred will never end. The killing will continue, just as it has for the entire history of mankind.

yes it will continue due to individuals like yourself, who possibly lost or never had any hope to being with.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: filetitan
yes it will continue due to individuals like yourself, who possibly lost or never had any hope to being with.

We are the majority. That's what you don't understand. Why do you think there is so much death and destruction in the world? It's because we humans love to hate. Killing is in our nature. Until you understand that you will remain in your childlike state, dreaming of things that will never be. Wake up.