India - Pakistan Crisis

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: dphantom
There is beginning to be anecdotal evidence/rumors that India is planning a small scale retaliation fairly soon, perhaps within days. This is supposedly designed to show Pakistan India is serious but not do enough damage that Pakistan would launch an escalatory attack of its own. Perhaps something similar to the US missile attacks in NWFP.

India supposedly has relayed to Pakistan its determination for a show of force in retaliation for the Mumbai attacks. More than likely, Indian atacks would be against terrorist base camps or other Taliban areas. Perhaps Kashmir.

I hope nothing comes of this, but I would not be surprised to see India do something more since Pakistan is unwilling to provide assistance in bringing to justice the backers of the Mumbai attacks. It is almost certain the ISI planned, directed and controlled the attack. The ISI operates outside of the current civilian government and has strong support within mainline Pakistan military.

This is good news if it's true. Pakistan must be made to understand that it will no longer get away with supporting terrorists.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'll tell you what i can tell you, the ISI is ruled more by the Taliban than by the sham of the government (which is a stupid coalition where the right hand can conduct actual missions the left hand has no clue of until it's known to the world).

There are three nations IN Pakistan fixing it for you, call back the ISI and stay out of our way or you'll be a fucking parking lot, out of the 30K troops coming here, 15k are supposed to support us.

You never had a chance in hell when we were 11 men, what the fuck are you going to do when we are 15k+ 9 men?

Sit down, shut up and let us do what we have to do, because you have no fucking clue.

 

[manowar821]

Nevermind

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
India's response to the situation was a comedy of errors. The ability to respond was further compromised by logistics and lack of coordination.

Also, the moment you have more than two simultaneous attacks, then the authorities start to be fearful of committing forces because the full picture is not known.

Unless they want to storm the building without proper intel (causing unneeded causalities), it can take a day or two to gather Intel and determine a proper attack plan. The real world does not reflect the 60 minutes SWAT response on TV anymore.

People planning such types of attacks will research to find weaknesses in the system and exploit them. Such weaknesses are most likely in plain sight and is doing the complete illogical/unexpected.

Media sells stories and shock to the readers. News events are to be dramatized for effect and will be targeted toward the readership.

If the one person was not taken alive, it would be harder for India to linking the situation to Pakistan - there would be innuendos, but the first hand corroboration would not exist. that is what is most damming. the person's father coinging forward from Pakistan and stating that it is his son.

It is also very likely that there is an extremist group that was not interested in covering their tracks - they want to force a confrontation and get name recognition.

There is absolutely no proof of Pakistan's involvement.There is no proof that the attack was planned IN Pakistan. What if an American born planned attacks in Pakistan? Would America be responsible? I will not believe India's version until I see proof. And you haven't answered my question. Do you believe in India's version of 10 terrorists holding up against the entire nation? Do you believe they crossed by sea?

AND JoS you're just rambling on. Nobody cares what you say. You are a liar and I don't value your comments. Get out of this thread.

It was on live TV for the whole effing world to see!! Whats to question about that? Were you sleeping through those days?

3 days? It was probably a lot more than 10 terrorists. Either that or the police was unwilling to go in because they were somehow involved. The Police Chief Karkare involved in another terrorist investigation was also killed. 3 days to plan and you get your police chief killed on the first? That's retarded unless someone else was behind his murder. 3 terrorists in each building and it takes 3 days. AND there were still 172 dead. Major failure of Indian intelligence I would say. 10 terrorists doesn't even seem like a major operation. It was just a failure of India that they were so successful. And the media had already started to blame Pakistan only hours after the incident started.

Poor intelligence? Yes. Slow response? Yes. Poor policing? Yes. Cowards? No - the commandos were anything but cowards. What about all the stories of heroism by the hotel staff? Thats not cowardice.

As to smuggling weapons by boat - it's not as difficult as you think. No country can provides absolute guarantees that its coastline (specially as large as India's) will never be breached, or a small force can slip in unnoticed. Heck thats what special forces are trained to do.

But you choose to keep your buried in your own propaganda and spin.

Everybody responding to this topic cant be wrong and only you right. Maybe its time for some introspection.

300 million Americans were wrong about Iraq. Just because a million people say something it can't be right. And if the weapons WERE infact smuggled by sea it's a major failure of Inian intelligence. Every building has its heroes. However I don't understand people calling terrorists cowards. They knew they were dying and still went in. Wrong. Yes. Cowards. No.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: dphantom
There is beginning to be anecdotal evidence/rumors that India is planning a small scale retaliation fairly soon, perhaps within days. This is supposedly designed to show Pakistan India is serious but not do enough damage that Pakistan would launch an escalatory attack of its own. Perhaps something similar to the US missile attacks in NWFP.

India supposedly has relayed to Pakistan its determination for a show of force in retaliation for the Mumbai attacks. More than likely, Indian atacks would be against terrorist base camps or other Taliban areas. Perhaps Kashmir.

I hope nothing comes of this, but I would not be surprised to see India do something more since Pakistan is unwilling to provide assistance in bringing to justice the backers of the Mumbai attacks. It is almost certain the ISI planned, directed and controlled the attack. The ISI operates outside of the current civilian government and has strong support within mainline Pakistan military.

Any attack would be an act of war and we will give a befitting reply. Any attack will bring about war. India is not America.

 

[The Green Bean]

LAHORE: Security forces have arrested three more Indian nationals on a tip-off of arrested Indian terrorist Satish Anand,According to sources, a camera, two pistols and secret maps have been recovered from the possession of arrested persons.

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
India's response to the situation was a comedy of errors. The ability to respond was further compromised by logistics and lack of coordination.

Also, the moment you have more than two simultaneous attacks, then the authorities start to be fearful of committing forces because the full picture is not known.

Unless they want to storm the building without proper intel (causing unneeded causalities), it can take a day or two to gather Intel and determine a proper attack plan. The real world does not reflect the 60 minutes SWAT response on TV anymore.

People planning such types of attacks will research to find weaknesses in the system and exploit them. Such weaknesses are most likely in plain sight and is doing the complete illogical/unexpected.

Media sells stories and shock to the readers. News events are to be dramatized for effect and will be targeted toward the readership.

If the one person was not taken alive, it would be harder for India to linking the situation to Pakistan - there would be innuendos, but the first hand corroboration would not exist. that is what is most damming. the person's father coinging forward from Pakistan and stating that it is his son.

It is also very likely that there is an extremist group that was not interested in covering their tracks - they want to force a confrontation and get name recognition.

There is absolutely no proof of Pakistan's involvement.There is no proof that the attack was planned IN Pakistan. What if an American born planned attacks in Pakistan? Would America be responsible? I will not believe India's version until I see proof. And you haven't answered my question. Do you believe in India's version of 10 terrorists holding up against the entire nation? Do you believe they crossed by sea?

AND JoS you're just rambling on. Nobody cares what you say. You are a liar and I don't value your comments. Get out of this thread.

It was on live TV for the whole effing world to see!! Whats to question about that? Were you sleeping through those days?

3 days? It was probably a lot more than 10 terrorists. Either that or the police was unwilling to go in because they were somehow involved. The Police Chief Karkare involved in another terrorist investigation was also killed. 3 days to plan and you get your police chief killed on the first? That's retarded unless someone else was behind his murder. 3 terrorists in each building and it takes 3 days. AND there were still 172 dead. Major failure of Indian intelligence I would say. 10 terrorists doesn't even seem like a major operation. It was just a failure of India that they were so successful. And the media had already started to blame Pakistan only hours after the incident started.

Poor intelligence? Yes. Slow response? Yes. Poor policing? Yes. Cowards? No - the commandos were anything but cowards. What about all the stories of heroism by the hotel staff? Thats not cowardice.

As to smuggling weapons by boat - it's not as difficult as you think. No country can provides absolute guarantees that its coastline (specially as large as India's) will never be breached, or a small force can slip in unnoticed. Heck thats what special forces are trained to do.

But you choose to keep your buried in your own propaganda and spin.

Everybody responding to this topic cant be wrong and only you right. Maybe its time for some introspection.

300 million Americans were wrong about Iraq. Just because a million people say something it can't be right. And if the weapons WERE infact smuggled by sea it's a major failure of Inian intelligence. Every building has its heroes. However I don't understand people calling terrorists cowards. They knew they were dying and still went in. Wrong. Yes. Cowards. No.

I am sure it takes a lot of bravery in attacking unarmed civilians with automatic weapons. :disgust:

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: dphantom
There is beginning to be anecdotal evidence/rumors that India is planning a small scale retaliation fairly soon, perhaps within days. This is supposedly designed to show Pakistan India is serious but not do enough damage that Pakistan would launch an escalatory attack of its own. Perhaps something similar to the US missile attacks in NWFP.

India supposedly has relayed to Pakistan its determination for a show of force in retaliation for the Mumbai attacks. More than likely, Indian atacks would be against terrorist base camps or other Taliban areas. Perhaps Kashmir.

I hope nothing comes of this, but I would not be surprised to see India do something more since Pakistan is unwilling to provide assistance in bringing to justice the backers of the Mumbai attacks. It is almost certain the ISI planned, directed and controlled the attack. The ISI operates outside of the current civilian government and has strong support within mainline Pakistan military.

Any attack would be an act of war and we will give a befitting reply. Any attack will bring about war. India is not America.

We may not be America but we can still kick your butt.

 

[PottedMeat]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Dari
While other countries export normal goods, Pakistan exports terrorism.

And juice. And nice clothes.

And dates ( not very good ones though ), and cheap 'surgical' tools.

What kind of juice???

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Dari
While other countries export normal goods, Pakistan exports terrorism.

And juice. And nice clothes.

And dates ( not very good ones though ), and cheap 'surgical' tools.

What kind of juice???

Dracula juice. The clothes he's talking about is the suicide belt featured on HSN the other day.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: crisscross

We may not be America but we can still kick your butt.

You wish. We just chased of your jets a week back. That say a lot about your army. And 10 terrorists holding out for 3 days against your whole country? That kind of crap is not fit to fight terrorists let alone another army.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Dari
While other countries export normal goods, Pakistan exports terrorism.

And juice. And nice clothes.

And dates ( not very good ones though ), and cheap 'surgical' tools.

What kind of juice???

With a population of some 165 million, Pakistan exported US$3.7 billion worth of merchandise to the United States in 2006, up 12.9% from 2005 and up 59.4% since 2002.

Pakistani imports from the U.S. rose 59% to $2 billion in 2006, up 187% since 2002.

In terms of the merchandise flow between the two countries, America?s trade deficit with Pakistan was $1.7 billion in 2006, up 4.5% from 2002. The U.S. trade deficit with Pakistan decreased 16% in 2006 ? down from the 88.6% deficit increase in 2005 from the year earlier.

Pakistani Exports to U.S.

Of the $3.7 billion in American imports from Pakistan in 2006, the following product categories had the highest values.

1. Cotton apparel & household furnishings ?US$2.6 billion (70.6% of Pakistani to U.S. exports, up 18.6% from 2005)
2. Cotton cloth & fabrics (threads, cordage) ? $351 million (9.6%, down 5.6%)
3. Other textiles apparel & household furnishings ? $138.3 million (3.8%, down 11.6%)
4. Textile floor coverings including rugs ? $122.1 million (3.3%, down 2.1%)
5. Non-textile apparel & household furnishings ? $81.4 million (2.2%, up 7.2%)
6. Sporting & camping apparel, footwear & gear ? $61.2 million (1.7%, up 4.7%)
7. Other scientific, medical & hospital equipment ? $37.9 million (1%, up 10.4%)
8. Toys, bicycles and other sporting goods ? $34.4 million (0.9%, up 16.5%)
9. Synthetic cloth & fabrics (threads, cordage) ? $23.7 million (0.6%, down 39.1%)
10. Cookware, cutlery, house & garden wares including tools ? $21.4 million (0.6%, up 10.2%).

Fastest-Growing Pakistani Exports to U.S.

Below are American imports from Pakistan in 2006 with the highest percentage sales increases from 2005.

1. Industrial organic chemicals ? US$13.6 million (up 339,100% from 2005)
2. Bakery & confectionary products ? $5.3 million (up 197%)
3. Miscellaneous items (e.g. tobacco, waxes, non-food oils) ? $18.8 million (up 119%)
4. Other automotive parts & accessories ? $2.8 million (up 115%)
5. Fruits & preparations (e.g. frozen juices) ? $4.4 million (up 104%).

Pakistani Imports from U.S.

Of the $2 billion in American exports to Pakistan in 2006, the following product categories had the highest values.

1. Civilian aircraft (complete) ?US$753.1 million (37.9% of Pakistani to U.S. exports, up 1,739% from 2005)
2. Generators & accessories ? $132.3 million (6.6%, up 135.7%)
3. Cotton ? $117 million (5.9%, down 20.6%)
4. Computer accessories ? $308.4 million (4.5%, up 7.2%)
5. Chemical fertilizers ? $87.3 million (4.4%, down 51.6%)
6. Telecommunications equipment ? $64.1 million (3.2%, down 24.6%)
7. Tanks, artillery, missiles, rockets, guns & ammunition ? $61.7 million (3.1%, up 150,368%)
8. Civil aircraft (parts) ? $53.2 million (2.7%, up 5.5%)
9. Military parts ? $43 million (2.2%, up 27.3%)
10. Engines & turbines for military aircraft ? $40.9 million (2.1%, up 2,186.4%).

Fastest-Growing Pakistani Imports from U.S.

Below are American exports to Pakistan in 2006 with the highest percentage sales increases from 2005.

1. Tanks, artillery, missiles, rockets, guns & ammunition ? US $61.7 million (up 150,368% from 2005)
2. Engines & turbines for military aircraft ? $40.9 million (up 2,186.4%)
3. Civilian aircraft (complete) ? $753.1 million (up 1,739%)
4. Sports apparel & gear ? $3.4 million (up 917%)
5. Cotton fiber cloth ? $2.5 million (up 872%).

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

We may not be America but we can still kick your butt.

You wish. We just chased of your jets a week back. That say a lot about your army. And 10 terrorists holding out for 3 days against your whole country? That kind of crap is not fit to fight terrorists let alone another army.

Wow you have no shame do you? four wars fought since 1947 with India and all three lost. In the 1971 war 90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to India the higher number of POW after the World War. Get that you pansies SURRENDERED. We controlled over 5,500 square miles of land and gave it back to you as a reconciliation but you guys never learn.

Then in 1999 you guys attacked in Kargil and retreated after we gave you safe passage to return without gaining one inch of land . So stop the bravado and go back to your shithole.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

We may not be America but we can still kick your butt.

You wish. We just chased of your jets a week back. That say a lot about your army. And 10 terrorists holding out for 3 days against your whole country? That kind of crap is not fit to fight terrorists let alone another army.

Wow you have no shame do you? four wars fought since 1947 with India and all three lost. In the 1971 war 90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to India the higher number of POW after the World War. Get that you pansies SURRENDERED. We controlled over 5,500 square miles of land and gave it back to you as a reconciliation but you guys never learn.

Then in 1999 you guys attacked in Kargil and retreated after we gave you safe passage to return without gaining one inch of land . So stop the bravado and go back to your shithole.

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

We may not be America but we can still kick your butt.

You wish. We just chased of your jets a week back. That say a lot about your army. And 10 terrorists holding out for 3 days against your whole country? That kind of crap is not fit to fight terrorists let alone another army.

Wow you have no shame do you? four wars fought since 1947 with India and all three lost. In the 1971 war 90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to India the higher number of POW after the World War. Get that you pansies SURRENDERED. We controlled over 5,500 square miles of land and gave it back to you as a reconciliation but you guys never learn.

Then in 1999 you guys attacked in Kargil and retreated after we gave you safe passage to return without gaining one inch of land . So stop the bravado and go back to your shithole.

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

Has anything dramatic happened that might suggest a deviation from the trend?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

Has anything dramatic happened that might suggest a deviation from the trend?

Nothing has changed. India will wipe the floor with Pakistan. Pakistan has no chance of victory, none at all. Everyone knows this.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

We may not be America but we can still kick your butt.

You wish. We just chased of your jets a week back. That say a lot about your army. And 10 terrorists holding out for 3 days against your whole country? That kind of crap is not fit to fight terrorists let alone another army.

Wow you have no shame do you? four wars fought since 1947 with India and all three lost. In the 1971 war 90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to India the higher number of POW after the World War. Get that you pansies SURRENDERED. We controlled over 5,500 square miles of land and gave it back to you as a reconciliation but you guys never learn.

Then in 1999 you guys attacked in Kargil and retreated after we gave you safe passage to return without gaining one inch of land . So stop the bravado and go back to your shithole.

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

Has anything dramatic happened that might suggest a deviation from the trend?

Nukes, modernization of the Pak army and the Taliban factor. I think the Taliban alone could whip India's army.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

Has anything dramatic happened that might suggest a deviation from the trend?

Nothing has changed. India will wipe the floor with Pakistan. Pakistan has no chance of victory, none at all. Everyone knows this.

India has numerical superiority but that's about it. Pak is about on par with it in modern weaponry and definitely has more combat experience than India. Bean is right about that much, this isn't the old days. A major war today would mean the end of India for sure.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: crisscross

We may not be America but we can still kick your butt.

You wish. We just chased of your jets a week back. That say a lot about your army. And 10 terrorists holding out for 3 days against your whole country? That kind of crap is not fit to fight terrorists let alone another army.

Wow you have no shame do you? four wars fought since 1947 with India and all three lost. In the 1971 war 90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to India the higher number of POW after the World War. Get that you pansies SURRENDERED. We controlled over 5,500 square miles of land and gave it back to you as a reconciliation but you guys never learn.

Then in 1999 you guys attacked in Kargil and retreated after we gave you safe passage to return without gaining one inch of land . So stop the bravado and go back to your shithole.

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

Has anything dramatic happened that might suggest a deviation from the trend?

Nukes, modernization of the Pak army and the Taliban factor. I think the Taliban alone could whip India's army.

Nukes? Both had nukes in 1999.

Modernization: I hear the Indians are burning billions of dollars just for fun.

Taliban Factor: Of course, the Indians haven't been dealing with militants and terrorists prior to 1999.

:disgust:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

Has anything dramatic happened that might suggest a deviation from the trend?

Nothing has changed. India will wipe the floor with Pakistan. Pakistan has no chance of victory, none at all. Everyone knows this.

India has numerical superiority but that's about it. Pak is about on par with it in modern weaponry and definitely has more combat experience than India. Bean is right about that much, this isn't the old days. A major war today would mean the end of India for sure.

What combat experience has Pakistan had in the past 10 years?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What combat experience has Pakistan had in the past 10 years?

The FATA war and the Balochistan insurgency. The latter has been blamed on India since the start. I'm not for a blame game but should war break out we have plenty of targets in India like their dams. Our media reports military planes flying over major cities in the north and unusual movement of military equipment has also been reported. On the other side, a build up of Indian forces is reported at our border.

A war of aggression looks imminent. Is there anyone here that claims that "India has the right to defend itself?" I will never again underestimate the stupidity on these boards.

If war does break out I hope the Kashmir dispute is finally resolved. In all honesty I really don't care if Kashmir goes to us or them; it'll help bring peace in the long term. India mustn't forget to defend its borders with China. China and India also have border disputes. If India suffers major losses on one side; China might decide the check India's other border as well. Numerical superiority is of little significance here in my opinion and India is severely underestimating its enemy which has been the cause of many major defeats.

And in 1999 it was a battle for land in a disputed territory. An attack on sovereign territory may bring about all out war. It would be a short war that will be bought to the negotiating table very soon in fear of nuclear war. I stand by my country.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

This is not 1971. This is not 1999.

Has anything dramatic happened that might suggest a deviation from the trend?

Nothing has changed. India will wipe the floor with Pakistan. Pakistan has no chance of victory, none at all. Everyone knows this.

India has numerical superiority but that's about it. Pak is about on par with it in modern weaponry and definitely has more combat experience than India. Bean is right about that much, this isn't the old days. A major war today would mean the end of India for sure.

What combat experience has Pakistan had in the past 10 years?

Their security forces have a lot more experience than India's that's for sure, compare the Lal mosque standoff versus Mumbai. Pakistan would have their SSG respond immediately with modern equipment, and not soldiers with Enfield bolt action rifles. Pakistan is almost similar to Israel in some respects, in that they have neighbor(s) who have larger conventional forces, so they focus on quality versus quantity. India has a lot more to lose than Pakistan in terms of their economy, just a hint of war will send investors elsewhere.

A war is pointless for both India and Pakistan, they should be focusing more on socio-economic development and cooperation, and getting a gas-pipeline through each others country. Unless you consider Dell customer support worthy of radiation poisoning.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What combat experience has Pakistan had in the past 10 years?

The FATA war and the Balochistan insurgency. The latter has been blamed on India since the start. I'm not for a blame game but should war break out we have plenty of targets in India like their dams. Our media reports military planes flying over major cities in the north and unusual movement of military equipment has also been reported. On the other side, a build up of Indian forces is reported at our border.

A war of aggression looks imminent. Is there anyone here that claims that "India has the right to defend itself?" I will never again underestimate the stupidity on these boards.

If war does break out I hope the Kashmir dispute is finally resolved. In all honesty I really don't care if Kashmir goes to us or them; it'll help bring peace in the long term. India mustn't forget to defend its borders with China. China and India also have border disputes. If India suffers major losses on one side; China might decide the check India's other border as well. Numerical superiority is of little significance here in my opinion and India is severely underestimating its enemy which has been the cause of many major defeats.

And in 1999 it was a battle for land in a disputed territory. An attack on sovereign territory may bring about all out war. It would be a short war that will be bought to the negotiating table very soon in fear of nuclear war. I stand by my country.

Me.

But I doubt India is stupid enough to go to war over this. This is like their 9/11, if they prove Pakistan is behind it or allowing it to happen they have the entire world behind them. They could destroy Pakistan without firing a shot.

If they don't prove Pakistan is truly behind it (eg, Britain didn't sanction the attack on their own country with the "home grown" terrorist) and go to war with Pakistan then they will lose all support like the USA did with Iraq.

International sanctions -assuming everyone is on board- should be good enough of a threat to make the Pakistani government take responsibility for what goes on in their country and do something about it. If they don't their entire government will be destroyed and replaced with the taliban which will probably hunt down and kill all notable politicians along with cutting off The Green Beans hands for taking with infidels.

While a great threat to completely destroy Pakistan, it would be a very bad thing as it will turn into another Afghanistan which will come back and bite everyone in the ass. But you must be willing to do it for it to be effective threat.

At most I think India is fluffing its feathers.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What combat experience has Pakistan had in the past 10 years?

The FATA war and the Balochistan insurgency. The latter has been blamed on India since the start. I'm not for a blame game but should war break out we have plenty of targets in India like their dams. Our media reports military planes flying over major cities in the north and unusual movement of military equipment has also been reported. On the other side, a build up of Indian forces is reported at our border.

A war of aggression looks imminent. Is there anyone here that claims that "India has the right to defend itself?" I will never again underestimate the stupidity on these boards.

If war does break out I hope the Kashmir dispute is finally resolved. In all honesty I really don't care if Kashmir goes to us or them; it'll help bring peace in the long term. India mustn't forget to defend its borders with China. China and India also have border disputes. If India suffers major losses on one side; China might decide the check India's other border as well. Numerical superiority is of little significance here in my opinion and India is severely underestimating its enemy which has been the cause of many major defeats.

And in 1999 it was a battle for land in a disputed territory. An attack on sovereign territory may bring about all out war. It would be a short war that will be bought to the negotiating table very soon in fear of nuclear war. I stand by my country.

India has the right to defend itself against a state that sponsors terrorism - that being Pakistan.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Regarding how effective Pakistan is at controlling its terrorists:

Seattle Times (NY Times) - Taliban in control at Pakistan border ( link )
"PESHAWAR, Pakistan ? This frontier city boasts a major air base and Pakistani army and paramilitary garrisons. But the 200 Taliban guerrillas were in no rush as they methodically ransacked a NATO supply depot here two weeks ago.

The rebels began by blocking off a long stretch of the main road, giving them plenty of time to burn everything inside, said one guard, Haroon Khan, who was standing next to a row of charred trucks.

After assuring the overmatched guards they would not be killed ? if they agreed never to work there again ? the extremists shouted "God is great" through bullhorns. They then grabbed jerrycans and made several trips to a nearby gas station for fuel, which they dumped on the cargo trucks and Humvees before setting them ablaze.
. . . "


Sounds like India and the US forces in Afghanistan need to just ignore Pakistan's sovereignty and take action if it can't police itself.