In Muslim countries, Christians are the new target

[Iman]

You know who Muslims who are proponents of Takfiri and Jihadi thinking, same ones who kill Buddhist monks in Thailand, same ones who kill Hindus in Pakistan, same ones who will kill you if they think you're not quite Muslim enough.

Says who? From where you got that nonsense?

 

[werepossum]

Oh we're the experts here 😎. Who would know the Israelis better that us the Arabs whose land been occupied and kids murdered by them!?

There may have been a time when Muslims could murder Christians and successfully blame the Jews. If so, that time is long past. Nobody is buying that drivel now.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Oh we're the experts here 😎. Who would know the Israelis better that us the Arabs whose land been occupied and kids murdered by them!?

Do not try to be such a simple minded jojo. For example In the city where i live in the past a girl young is raped multiple times by several young men who where of the Muslim religion from a certain country. Old women have been robbed. People have been murdered by Muslim fundamentalists.
With your way of reasoning i could blame all Muslims. But that is nonsense, it is wrong to blame all people form a certain ethnic background or religion because a few crazy people do awful things. And do not come with that the Sharia this would not have happened. It did happen but that does not change anything. You better stop believing in propaganda. If you do not believe start reading about the history of the Islam, the golden era and then the separating of individuals with their own ideas about the Islam.

My advice :
If you want to follow the right way, Get to know Israeli people and learn what fears them and what drives them. Then you will see that there exist enough Jewish people who just want peace and to be happy. The problem is the people with fundamental believes on Palestinian side and on Israeli side.
These fundamentals are a small fraction but they cause much harm for all people on both sides.
It is not unique. It happens everywhere.

 

[5150Joker]

Samur Achzar - Israeli with an agenda and dual citizenship to leach off the US tit [X]
JediYoda - Another Israeli with an agenda and dual citzenship to leach off the US tit [X]

Yup this thread is worthless. It may have held some credibility if not for the obvious trolling--THEY ARE ALL OUT TO GET US OH NOES! Islamic countries right now are facing a crisis that will boil into civil wars very soon. It's going to start in Pakistan and spread outwards but that's due to a tiny fraction of armed zealots. Whether they are stopped in their tracks by those that oppose them (like the recently assassinated Pakistani governor) remains to be seen. But the OP making sweeping generalizations about a billion people is fucking stupid like most of his posts.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yup this thread is worthless.--actually it is worthless. mainly because those who claim it is a small minority causing all the problems cannot tell any of us why the rest of the Muslims by there own silence are in agreement with the 'small" minority causing all the problems!@!

It may have held some credibility if not for the obvious trolling--THEY ARE ALL OUT TO GET US OH NOES! Islamic countries right now are facing a crisis - not true!!that will boil into civil wars very soon. -- not true at all!!

It's going to start in Pakistan -- you sound more and more like lemon law as he attempts to write history...and spread outwards but that's due to a tiny fraction of armed zealots. -- not a tiny fraction at all!! That`s the way the religion of Peace -Islam is...our way or the highway!!


Whether they are stopped in their tracks by those that oppose them -- Who oppose Islam?? Where are those Islamic people who oppose the --hahahaha tiny minority?? If what you say is true where is the vast majority who should out number the tiny minority 1,000,000 to 1?? I will tell you where they are - they are in their synagogue`s asking Muhammad to watch over and protect the tiny minority as they take up the cause of Islam!!

(like the recently assassinated Pakistani governor) remains to be seen.
But the OP making sweeping generalizations -- earth to 5150Joker -- the Op is absolutely 100% correct!!about a billion people is fucking stupid like most of his posts.

So if you don`t mind...Please tell me why all those who profess to follow Islam are not taking a stand against the tiny minority as you call them?
Where are those brave Islamic people who are taking a stand?

I contend that by not taking a stand against as you call them a tiny minority that they are in effect making an even louder statement that they agree with the actions of the -- hahahaa...yeah right...rofl@ tiny minority..lolol....rofll....hahhaaaaa......

 

[Gyhrg71]

So if you don`t mind...Please tell me why all those who profess to follow Islam are not taking a stand against the tiny minority as you call them?
Where are those brave Islamic people who are taking a stand?

I contend that by not taking a stand against as you call them a tiny minority that they are in effect making an even louder statement that they agree with the actions of the -- hahahaa...yeah right...rofl@ tiny minority..lolol....rofll....hahhaaaaa......

Why aren't we asking the same question towards non-muslims? I don't recall seeing christians taking up arms against the IRA or Jews against the JDL?

 

[Infohawk]

Maybe if Christian countries stopped bombing/invading Muslim countries they wouldn't be so pissed off :hmm:

So if somebody beat up a Muslim in the US would you say "maybe if Muslim terrorists stopped bombing/decapitating Westerners Americans wouldn't be so pissed off.

The double standard from the apologists is revolting.

 

[Zebo]

So if you don`t mind...Please tell me why all those who profess to follow Islam are not taking a stand against the tiny minority as you call them?
Where are those brave Islamic people who are taking a stand?

I contend that by not taking a stand against as you call them a tiny minority that they are in effect making an even louder statement that they agree with the actions of the -- hahahaa...yeah right...rofl@ tiny minority..lolol....rofll....hahhaaaaa......

Maybe because they don't want to die? Guess what most people want to live, and live in peace and not be strung up from a lamp post for week to rot as an example to all those who oppose. It does not take many hard core zealots to control a whole society. 2-5% at most.

FEAR is a powerful motivator and they use it.

I actually buy the whole tiny minority line but more like up to 5% and that still leaves you with 100,000,000 radicals.

 

[Zebo]

Says who? From where you got that nonsense?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadi

 

[JEDIYoda]

Oh we're the experts here . Who would know the Israelis better that us the Arabs whose land been occupied and kids murdered by them!?

You obviously don`t know much.....
So why was your land of Egypt occupied?
Did Israel set out to purposely murder Egyptian children?

You have no clue except from a perspective that is not truthful.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Maybe because they don't want to die? Guess what most people want to live, and live in peace and not be strung up from a lamp post for week to rot as an example to all those who oppose. It does not take many hard core zealots to control a whole society. 2-5% at most.

FEAR is a powerful motivator and they use it.

I actually buy the whole tiny minority line but more like up to 5% and that still leaves you with 100,000,000 radicals.

Nice try.......but to sit by ldle and say nothing is IMO to be in agreement with the small tint minority..lolol

 

[Gyhrg71]

So if you don`t mind...Please tell me why all those who profess to follow Islam are not taking a stand against the tiny minority as you call them?
Where are those brave Islamic people who are taking a stand?

I contend that by not taking a stand against as you call them a tiny minority that they are in effect making an even louder statement that they agree with the actions of the -- hahahaa...yeah right...rofl@ tiny minority..lolol....rofll....hahhaaaaa......

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2125080

This is about a tiny group of radical, extremist Muslims running rough shod over a huge group of moderate Muslims!
The point is that moderate Muslims are far more numerous as a group than the radical, extremist Muslims which as a group are a small minority compared to the moderate muslims. yet the moderate muslims refuse or are afraid to let their massive vopice be heard. There are a few who have spoken up...but the voice is very tiny!!

I know many Muslims who are real fine people......but when I ask them why as a majority they don`t stand up against the radical, extemist Muslims they turn away....
something is totally not right with that picture...

Most muslims support the radical extremist elements of their faith.....
I would surmise the reason they embrace the radical extremists is because perhaps they are too cowardly to stand up for themselves....
A good example is the Palestinians! The elect Hamas to lead them, knowing full well that the hamas Charter explicitly calls for the total destruction of Israel. All of Israel.....not just the government, as some idiots would claim!

Yet what bothers me is that moderate muslims refuse to take a stand against the extremist muslims. The ones who do take a stand are a very tiny minority...Even in America. It`s just something to think about......

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1978335

Lets see how he speaks up against the children being subjected to religious extremists in the Jesus Camp documentary...:whiste:

As long as those kids are not yours you have nothing to complain about!!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2062655&highlight=why+muslims&page=2

How about his opinion on a christian militia that was raided for making threats against muslims?

Why should the mainstream christian community care about these wacko jobs?
They do not reflect at all on Christianity as a whole.
Only in your warped mind can you possibly believe otherwise!

Way to take a stand!

How about we remind me him of this thread (one he posted in!) on muslims speaking out against extremists.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2095973

Or that the man who stopped the Times square bombing was himself a muslim. And since 9/11 there have been fatwas issued against terrorism and many muslims & and muslim groups have spoken out as well. For instance:

http://www.freemuslims.org/

 

[Zebo]

pwnt of year so far.

 

[JEDIYoda]

pwnt of year so far.

actually I am glad you finally admitted that you have been owned in every way!!

 

[William Gaatjes]

Nice try.......but to sit by ldle and say nothing is IMO to be in agreement with the small tint minority..lolol

It is not the only reason, but i will give you an example :
You probably do not care about your family and friends ?
I can honestly tell you, i myself would have no problem going against tyranny and with strategic full force too. But if for example the people i care for were threatened , i would hold back and do nothing. An inherent weakness i possess and with me (manager number 😎) 80% of people on this planet would do the same. And this is also what is going on in Muslims countries or country with a dictator. If you are alone and you do not have to think about others, it is easy to be cruel against your enemies. It is similar as the state of mind that only god loves you and all people around you are devils. It is similar as playing a shooter game on the pc. Try shooting in a pc shooter game you adversaries if they have faces of your loved ones. Then try it when they are turned into zombies. Detachment from other people is the key by which fundamentals live by.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Nice try but no cigar.....

There is noway that you can even compare such things as religious camps for children to what is happening in the middle east.
In the US those religious camps are not equipping children to make bombs or to become suicide bombers in the name of Allah or Muhammed.....are they??

In fact to some of you kids should not even be exposed to religion at all...ever.....that doesn`t mean you are right. It makes you anti-religious extremists..lol

Again this happenned in the United states where religious freedom still means something.

Show me one example where anything like this happened outside of the US??

Then again when it was needed there have been people of all faith in the US taking a stand...Catholics alongside Baptists, along side Mormons...etc...even along side Muslims....

Yes the United States is unique....but show me this happening in the context of the 1.6 billion Muslims from around the world...you can`t. Why..becuase the Muslims who are not taking a stand are in agreement with the tiny minority!!


Or that the man who stopped the Times square bombing was himself a muslim. And since 9/11 there have been fatwas issued against terrorism and many muslims & and muslim groups have spoken out as well. For instance:

Again a tiny percentage of the 1.6 Billion muslims in the world!!

You just do not get it do you......there are 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.....

why do they not take a stand and stop the supposedly tiny minority that are giving the so called religion of peace a bad name?

Why is it that the Muslim people are they only people who once they get a foothold in a country all of a sudden start insisting on there Muslim laws over established laws of a given country??

If Time square was in another country there is no way this muslim guy would have dared stop the bombing.

The real truth of the matter is that islam is NOT the religion of peace!!
the real truth is that all these preachers who get up in front of their people and preach against Islam are entirely 100% correct to do so!!

Are there good Islamic people? Sure. But out of 1.6 billion where are they?

You cannot use our freedom of religion and our respect for other peoples beliefs to try to justify your point that Islam is the religion of Peace!! No it is NOT at all the religion of Peace. The vast majority of those who practice Islam agree 100% with those who are giving the religion of peace a bad name!!

Finally the mainstream Christian community would in a heart beat take a stand if Christians all of a sudden started bombing buildings and sending their children out as human bombs...

The United States is so different from the rest of the world that you cannot possibly use what the FBI or our government does to respect other religions as a basis to say wait a minute......

Bottom line -- more people out of the 1.6 billiuon need to get off there butts and take a stand!!

God I love owning people like Zebo and mr 49 post dude - Gyhrd41....lolol

 

[William Gaatjes]

Nice try but no cigar.....

There is noway that you can even compare such things as religious camps for children to what is happening in the middle east.
In the US those religious camps are not equipping children to make bommbs or to become suicide bombers in the name of Allah.....are they??
In fact to some of you kids should not even be exposed to religion at all...ever.....that doesn`t mean you are right. It makes you anti-religious extremists..lol

Again this happenned in the United states where religious freedom still means something.

Show me one example where anything like this happened outside of the US??

I will give my opinion and more :
As a child i was to be found in a church regularly.

I in all honesty did mention that the subject in my post is not the only reason. And why do you make your text bold ? It does not make it more true, you know.

But as you sprout propaganda, it happens there as well. The CIA did some test to make posthypnotic agents. They failed. But it is the abuse of religion that can do this. A constant state of mind. Not for a few months, no since you are born you are being shaped. A good example is the Hitler jugend. The Hitler jugend kids where cruel as hell when they became adults. Another example is communist USSR. An example in capital west : Hooligans how they behave during soccer games and the green movement who are so loving behaving like raging idiots during protests. It is also partially mass hysteria. Have you forgotten about the girl in Iraq that was forced to become a suicide bomber ? It seemed she did not wanted, but was passive enough to let her self be packed with bombs. It is mass psychology and only trough mass psychology the lies can be revealed to this people.

Then again when it was needed there have been people of all faith in the US taking a stand...Catholics alongside Baptists, along side Mormons...etc...even along side Muslims....

Simple common enemy, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Or that the man who stopped the Times square bombing was himself a muslim. And since 9/11 there have been fatwas issued against terrorism and many muslims & and muslim groups have spoken out as well. For instance:

Again a tiny percentage of the 1.6 Billion muslims in the world!!

You just do not get it do you......there are 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.....

You do not get the culture. Here where i live we have Moroccans. If you talk to the people who have an education, they behave very differently when compared to people with out an education. Similar as our native folks. What is the case, low educated people in general are more paranoid and finger pointing. Another thing is, that in this close culture of family honor that people are afraid to be shut out. They are afraid to be seen as that weird Muslim towards non Muslims and as pariahs in their own cultural setting. You may not agree with this but it is the case. Many Muslims do not agree with fundamentals but know that if they openly speak in a Muslim culture, they will be attacked because of the abuse of the religion. The Islam is deeply anchored in these people. For a lot of Muslims in the undeveloped countries, the highest priority is given towards crimes against the religion. It is not just a religion, it is the way of thinking that is forced upon these people since they where born. The governments of those countries.

why do they not take a stand and stop the supposedly tint minority that are giving the so called religion of peace a bad name?

Why is it that the Muslim people are they only people who once they get a foothold in a country all of a sudden start insisting on there Muslim laws over established laws of a given country??

If Time square was in another country there is no way this guy would have dared stop the bombing.

The real truth of the matter is that islam is NOT the religion of peace!!
the real truth is that all these preachers who get up in front of their people and preach against Islam are entirely 100% correct to do so!!

It is a religion of war because that is how it is used. Religion is a tool to control or educate a large group of people. Not both, but education or control. And you again forget the propaganda. Just as the US president campaign are filled with commercials with speeches taken out of context, the same is happening in Israel with propaganda about those evil Palestinians and the same is happening in the arabic world with propaganda about those evil Jews. Add some simple minded angry people that exist everywhere and boom, fireworks. I can tell you this because i see it happening from a safe place.

Are there good Islamic people? Sure. But out of 1.6 billion where are they?

You cannot use our freedom of religion and our respect for other peoples beliefs to try to justify your point that Islam is the religion of Peace!! No it is NOT all the religion of Peace. The vast majority of those who practice islam agree 100% with those who are giving the religion of peace a bad name!!

Finally the mainstream Christian community would in a heart beat take a stand if Christians all of a sudden started bombing buildings and sending their children out as human bombs...

The United States is so different from the rest of the world that you cannot possibly use what the FBI or our government does to respect other religions as a basis to say wait a minute......

Bottom line -- more people out of the 1.6 billiuon need to get off there butts and take a stand!!

God I love owning people like Zebo and mr 49 post dude - Gyhrd41....lolol[/B]

The Islam as every religion needs to be weakened. But you cannot to this by changing the Islam, you leave it original just as Christianity. You do this by letting the people see how they are being used by dictatorial regimes that claim freedom not from the greater good or greater god 😉, but from their own desire for power. You educate them and make them see. Then there will remain a small group of people who try to create hatred and these will be helped. But it is a long way before it ever get that far. Because first the greed must disappear in the west and a part of the middle east.

 

[Gyhrg71]

Nice try but no cigar.....

There is noway that you can even compare such things as religious camps for children to what is happening in the middle east.
In the US those religious camps are not equipping children to make bommbs or to become suicide bombers in the name of Allah.....are they??

WHY ARE YOU WRITING IN BOLD?

And yes I can, unlike you most people are capable of recognizing something is wrong even when it doesn't involve muslims.

In fact to some of you kids should not even be exposed to religion at all...ever.....that doesn`t mean you are right. It makes you anti-religious extremists..lol

I don't it should be illegal for kids to be taught religion.

Show me one example where anything like this happened outside of the US??

Then again when it was needed there have been people of all faith in the US taking a stand...Catholics alongside Baptists, along side Mormons...etc...even along side Muslims....

Yes the Ubited States is unique....but show me this happening in the context of the 1.6 billion Muslims from around the world...you can`t. Why..becuase the Muslims who are not taking a stand are in agreement with the tiny minority!!

Just a few.
http://www.m-a-t.org/
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-03/world/fatwa.against.terror_1_fatwa-ul-muslim-scholar?_s=PM:WORLD
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10900478

Again a tiny percentage of the 1.6 Billion muslims in the world!!

You just do not get it do you......there are 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.....

why do they not take a stand and stop the supposedly tint minority that are giving the so called religion of peace a bad name?

Why aren't all the Jews in the world standing together as one to stop the JDL, a jewish terrorist group that carried out terrorist attacks on US soil and attempted to assassinate a US congressman? There are only 5,000 members of the JDL so we gentiles can only assume you must support them as the Jews haven't stopped this supposed tiny minority yet.

Why is it that the Muslim people are they only people who once they get a foothold in a country all of a sudden start insisting on there Muslim laws over established laws of a given country??

Are you fucking kidding me?

If Time square was in another country there is no way this guy would have dared stop the bombing.

How the hell does that even matter? He's still a muslim who stopped a terrorist attack. That's real classy of you to try and diminish what he did.

Are there good Islamic people? Sure. But out of 1.6 billion where are they?

Are there good Jewish people? Sure. But where are they? D:

Finally the mainstream Christian community would in a heart beat take a stand if Christians all of a sudden started bombing buildings and sending their children out as human bombs...

You mean like the aborition clinic bombings?Or the Christian militias?

The United States is so different from the rest of the world that you cannot possibly use what the FBI or our government does to respect other religions as a basis to say wait a minute......

Bottom line -- more people out of the 1.6 billiuon need to get off there butts and take a stand!!

As soon as the jews get to work taking care of extremists (that is if you don't support them!) I'm sure the muslims will follow you're shining example.

And what does the US and the FBI have to do with this? And why do you switch between calling yourself and American and an Israeli?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Someone here was asking, why are you protecting churches and from whom?
We have one enemy here - Israel, they're the only ones benefiting from chaos besides US in different regions, see Iraq

Hopefully this post serves as a reference point when future plans for peace between Israel and the Arabs are discussed.

Until this day I think Israel got the short end of the stick by making peace with Egypt, giving up Sinai and allowing Egypt to modernize its army on US bucks.

 

[William Gaatjes]

WHY ARE YOU WRITING IN BOLD?
[/B]
And yes I can, unlike you most people are capable of recognizing something is wrong even when it doesn't involve muslims.



I don't it should be illegal for kids to be taught religion.



Just a few.
http://www.m-a-t.org/
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-03/world/fatwa.against.terror_1_fatwa-ul-muslim-scholar?_s=PM:WORLD
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10900478



Why aren't all the Jews in the world standing together as one to stop the JDL, a jewish terrorist group that carried out terrorist attacks on US soil and attempted to assassinate a US congressman? There are only 5,000 members of the JDL so we gentiles can only assume you must support them as the Jews haven't stopped this supposed tiny minority yet.




Are you fucking kidding me?

How the hell does that even matter? He's still a muslim who stopped a terrorist attack. That's real classy of you to try and diminish what he did.



Are there good Jewish people? Sure. But where are they? D:

You mean like the aborition clinic bombings?Or the Christian militias?

As soon as the jews get to work taking care of extremists (that is if you don't support them!) I'm sure the muslims will follow you're shining example.

And what does the US and the FBI have to do with this? And why do you switch between calling yourself and American and an Israeli?

See how you attack each other, do you feel how your emotions get the best of you ? It is that simple. You have so much similar examples to compare...

Besides he probably is a frustrated us citizen with a jewish background who is angry and needs something to kick against. Hence, his behavior.

 

[Orignal Earl]

JediYogi is almost single handedly making me be prejudice against Israelis.
He's kind of achieving the opposite of What he wants by posting

 

[William Gaatjes]

JediYogi is almost single handedly making me be prejudice against Israelis.
He's kind of achieving the opposite of What he wants by posting

Being a healthy sceptic causes that. Nothing wrong with it by the way. :thumbsup:

But i read the post, i almost worry because what would happen if the fundamental religious people from the different religions all join forces against the atheist part of the world. I see same problems and after that fragmentation of the joined religions. The result will always be the same as long as religion is used to control.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Being a healthy sceptic causes that. Nothing wrong with it by the way. :thumbsup:

But i read the post, i almost worry because what would happen if the fundamental religious people from the different religions all join forces against the atheist part of the world. I see same problems and after that fragmentation of the joined religions. The result will always be the same as long as religion is used to control.

The result will always be the same..not because of religion per se...but because such is the nature of man...to use any available means to gain and wield power. Religion is a convenient pawn of the powerful.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The result will always be the same..not because of religion per se...but because such is the nature of man...to use any available means to gain and wield power. Religion is a convenient pawn of the powerful.

Well, i IMHO like to think humans are a bit more flexible than that.
The human brain is quite flexible and shapes its inner reality after it's environment. It takes some time but it is the case. With some people this is not the case and does not happen properly, and those people tend to think that for example laws of nature do not imply to them, hence some think they can fly. The mental diseased.

Your genes may steer you, but that does not mean you have to blindly follow your genes.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Well, i IMHO like to think humans are a bit more flexible than that.
The human brain is quite flexible and shapes its inner reality after it's environment. It takes some time but it is the case. With some people this is not the case and does not happen properly, and those people tend to think that for example laws of nature do not imply to them, hence some think they can fly. The mental diseased.

Your genes may steer you, but that does not mean you have to blindly follow your genes.

Some see the world as it is...and some see it as they would like it to be.