In Muslim countries, Christians are the new target

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Some see the world as it is...and some see it as they would like it to be.

I can assure you that there are parts of this world where i do not see what i would like to see. I see what i do not like to see. You see ? But i see possibilities as well. :whiste:
 
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JediYogi is almost single handedly making me be prejudice against Israelis.
He's kind of achieving the opposite of What he wants by posting

Now try to replace JediYogi with an Islamic militant and ask yourself why you don't feel the same way about Muslims?
 

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Now try to replace JediYogi with an Islamic militant and ask yourself why you don't feel the same way about Muslims?

Now replace islamic militants with white supremacists and ask why you don't feel the same about white people? o_O
 

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Now try to replace JediYogi with an Islamic militant and ask yourself why you don't feel the same way about Muslims?

Seriously, get out and explore the world, meet some of the people you fear the most.
You will grow as a person in ways you never thought possible.
You just can't learn this stuff reading on the internet.
 

JEDIYoda

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Besides he probably is a frustrated us citizen with a jewish background who is angry and needs something to kick against. Hence, his behavior.

frustrated not at all.....
Just making a point....1.6 billion Muslims are allowing maybe less than 1% of 1% of 1% bully the rest of the Muslims.....
Something is wrong with that picture.
What`s interesting is none of these so called peaceful Muslims are standing up against this in any way.
Sure there are always exception...by me saying none that makes it so you can find one and say I was wrong..lol
Even in the United States where is the outcry over the bastardization of the religion of Peace by the tiny minority????
 
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frustrated not at all.....
Just making a point....1.6 billion Muslims are allowing maybe less than 1% of 1% of 1% bully the rest of the Muslims.....
Something is wrong with that picture.
What`s interesting is none of these so called peaceful Muslims are standing up against this in any way.
Sure there are always exception...by me saying none that makes it so you can find one and say I was wrong..lol
Even in the United States where is the outcry over the bastardization of the religion of Peace by the tiny minority????

First of all, you do not know all those 1.6 billion Muslims, you can not claim to know their thoughts, fears or desires. You only think you do.
Look in the US history, how often did it occur that black people or asians were not treated as humans ? How many white people stood up when some black person was treated bad in the not so long ago past ? Or Chinese ? How long was it ago that Chinese where second grade citizens ?
Rosa Park ? I am just telling you that when prejudice exists among people, then that is all that is needed together with all other options i mentioned. Remember the hate and fear for each other born out of ignorance in your own country US between people ? I remember that the American civil war had to something with it as well. It is the same.
 

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frustrated not at all.....
Just making a point....1.6 billion Muslims are allowing maybe less than 1% of 1% of 1% bully the rest of the Muslims.....
Something is wrong with that picture.
What`s interesting is none of these so called peaceful Muslims are standing up against this in any way.
Sure there are always exception...by me saying none that makes it so you can find one and say I was wrong..lol
Even in the United States where is the outcry over the bastardization of the religion of Peace by the tiny minority????

How about some Jewish math then?
Take US total pop. of Jews and figure out the total amount of gangsters, criminals, traitors, spies, terrorists and compare them to American Muslim numbers
Let me know your results
 

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frustrated not at all.....
Just making a point....1.6 billion Muslims are allowing maybe less than 1% of 1% of 1% bully the rest of the Muslims.....
Something is wrong with that picture.
What`s interesting is none of these so called peaceful Muslims are standing up against this in any way.
Sure there are always exception...by me saying none that makes it so you can find one and say I was wrong..lol
Even in the United States where is the outcry over the bastardization of the religion of Peace by the tiny minority????


You still haven't explained why the so called peaceful jews haven't haven't stood up to the JDL and other jewish extremists? Why is it you aren't asking the same question of yourself? What are you personally doing to stop violent jewish exremists? If the violent extremist jews are such a minority to the "so called" peaceful jews and you don't agree with their actions then why aren't you stopping them?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e3j0LZehqE&t=5m39s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League#Schism:_October_2004-April_2006

In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the Department of Energy concluded: "For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States

FBI statistics show that, from 1980 through 1985, there were 18 terrorist attacks in the U.S. committed by Jews; 15 of those by members of the JDL.

On December 12, 2001, JDL leader Irv Rubin and JDL member Earl Krugel were charged with planning a terror attack against the office of Arab-American Congressman Darrell Issa

On 25 February 1994, Baruch Goldstein, a "charter member" of the JDL, opened fire on Palestinian Muslims kneeling in prayer at mosque in the West Bank city of Hebron, killing 29. On its website, the JDL writes "we are not ashamed to say that Goldstein was a charter member of the Jewish Defense League."

In its report, Terrorism 2000/2001, the FBI referred to the JDL as a "violent extremist Jewish organization" and stated that the FBI was responsible for thwarting at least one of its terrorist acts.

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Why aren't you asking what the blacks are doing to stop gang violence? Or what the Hispanics are doing to stop the narco cartels?
 

JEDIYoda

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God doesn't exist, get over it.

What an asinine statement. Even if there is no God, as you claim, try telling these people that...arffff....
This have everything to do with what people perceive to be a God or Gods. Just because you say god doesn`t exist, doesn`t make the world all lovy dovy!!
 

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You still haven't explained why the so called peaceful jews haven't haven't stood up to the JDL and other jewish extremists? Why is it you aren't asking the same question of yourself? What are you personally doing to stop violent jewish exremists? If the violent extremist jews are such a minority to the "so called" peaceful jews and you don't agree with their actions then why aren't you stopping them?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e3j0LZehqE&t=5m39s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League#Schism:_October_2004-April_2006--nice try, SO tell me who modified this page - for all we know it could have been Lemon law or even you -- This page was last modified on 2 January 2011 at 22:05.-- you really must becareful when you use wikipedia....

In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the Department of Energy concluded: "For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States

FBI statistics show that, from 1980 through 1985, there were 18 terrorist attacks in the U.S. committed by Jews; 15 of those by members of the JDL.

On December 12, 2001, JDL leader Irv Rubin and JDL member Earl Krugel were charged with planning a terror attack against the office of Arab-American Congressman Darrell Issa

On 25 February 1994, Baruch Goldstein, a "charter member" of the JDL, opened fire on Palestinian Muslims kneeling in prayer at mosque in the West Bank city of Hebron, killing 29. On its website, the JDL writes "we are not ashamed to say that Goldstein was a charter member of the Jewish Defense League."

In its report, Terrorism 2000/2001, the FBI referred to the JDL as a "violent extremist Jewish organization" and stated that the FBI was responsible for thwarting at least one of its terrorist acts.

So tell me how many millions of people are does the JDL run roughshod over?
has the Jewish Defense league been labeled an official terrorist group by the US government?
If not -- why?

It`s nice that you are trying to deflect and derail this thread...
but in the end this thread is about the majority of Muslims and Muslim`s not taking a stand or even speaking out against other Muslims.
 

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So tell me how many millions of people are does the JDL run roughshod over?



According to wikipedia the total # of Jews in the world is 13,156,500. By your logic either:

A. Violent Jews like the JDL aren't a minority or the majority of the 13,000,000 non-violent jews would stop them.

B. Non-Violent Jews must be cowards because they didn't stop close to 40+ years of terrorism from a tiny violent jewish group.

has the Jewish Defense league been labeled an official terrorist group by the US government?
If not -- why?
Yes they were. And its spinoff group founded in Israel by the same person who founded the JDL is considered a terrorist group as well. But even if they weren't, does that mean you aren't going to speak out against them? Despite all their violence? Is that some loophole for you?

Here is a nice timeline of their activities over 30 years, including assault, kidnapings, murder, robbery, hostage taking, attempted assassination, attempting to hijack an airplane with explosives to name a few.

http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp

It`s nice that you are trying to deflect and derail this thread...
but in the end this thread is about the majority of Muslims and Muslim`s not taking a stand or even speaking out against other Muslims.

I'm not trying to derail this thread, I'm simply trying to see if you'll apply your own standards on Jews, Christians and other non-muslims.

After tirades about muslims not stopping extremists you won't even condemn the JDL and other jewish terrorist groups. Why?
 

JEDIYoda

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Has the United States declared the Jewish Defense league a terrorist group???
 

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Seriously, get out and explore the world, meet some of the people you fear the most.
You will grow as a person in ways you never thought possible.
You just can't learn this stuff reading on the internet.

You didn't address my question at all. Probably because you don't have a rational explanation for your inconsistencies.
 

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Yea right, anytime anything happens that is Muslim related [in a bad light] it is blamed on Al-Qaeda. Its pretty disheartening to see Muslims blame Al-Qaeda for everything rather than own up to the fact that their religion is a violent one when taken literally.

As far as Muslim countries themselves go, they are dominated by Bigots from the top-down.

Egypt for instance still has limitations on how many Churches can be built per year there. Oh and a Church cannot be built higher than a Mosque, because Islam is #1. And the few Muslims who risk converting to Coptic Christianity usually end up dead [just blame the tooth fairy/Al-Qaeda though]. Yet we are supposed to believe the official Egyptian line that there is no animosity or homegrown hate towards religious minorities in Egypt [yea right].

Saudi Arabia. Muslim only cities. Iraq, Iran, and countless other Muslim countries treat religious minorities like garbage if not outright kill them. Turkey which is one of the more civilized Muslim nations still had a Priest knifed to death a few years ago and prior to that 1 million + Christian Armenians slaughtered during WW1 [let me guess though, Al-Qaeda did that to].
 
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Has the United States declared the Jewish Defense league a terrorist group???

So you won't apologize for a terrorist group that uses jews as the justification for terrorism? It's obvious how you try and point the finger at all muslims and pretend they are somehow responsible for muslim extremists but you won't even so much as condemn a terrorist group when they are jewish! o_O

After all the anti-muslim propaganda you've spread around, now the only thing you can come up with is "Have they been declared a terrorist group?" like that somehow changes things. You disgust me.

From the FBI's report on terrorism:

The Jewish Defense League has been deemed a right-wing terrorist group.

Rubin and Krugel were active members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a violent extremist Jewish organization.

Lastly, although the planned bombing by members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) on December 11, 2001 is designated as a prevention of a single act of terrorism, the planned incidents have been designated as one terrorist incident against a Civilian/Commercial target and one terrorist incident against a Government target
 

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Sudan

In Sudan, it is estimated that over 1.5 million Christians have been killed by the Janjaweed, the Arab Muslim militia, and even suspected Islamists in northern Sudan since 1984.[4] It should also be noted that Sudan's several civil wars (which often take the form of genocidal campaigns) are often not only or purely religious in nature, but also ethnic, as many black Muslims, as well as Muslim Arab tribesmen, have also been killed in the conflicts.

It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery during the Second Sudanese Civil War. The slaves are mostly Dinka people.


Jeez. 1.5 million Christians killed by Muslims in Sudan within 26 years. And yet it offends Muslims to suggest that their religion is attacking Christians..
 

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Sudan

In Sudan, it is estimated that over 1.5 million Christians have been killed by the Janjaweed, the Arab Muslim militia, and even suspected Islamists in northern Sudan since 1984.[4] It should also be noted that Sudan's several civil wars (which often take the form of genocidal campaigns) are often not only or purely religious in nature, but also ethnic, as many black Muslims, as well as Muslim Arab tribesmen, have also been killed in the conflicts.

It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery during the Second Sudanese Civil War. The slaves are mostly Dinka people.


Jeez. 1.5 million Christians killed by Muslims in Sudan within 26 years. And yet it offends Muslims to suggest that their religion is attacking Christians..

You should have read what you posted:

It should also be noted that Sudan's several civil wars (which often take the form of genocidal campaigns) are often not only or purely religious in nature, but also ethnic, as many black Muslims, as well as Muslim Arab tribesmen, have also been killed in the conflicts.

Why aren't you holding all blacks and arabs responsible?

Do you blame all Christians and Jews when a group commits a violent act in their name?
 
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After all the anti-muslim propaganda you've spread around, now the only thing you can come up with is "Have they been declared a terrorist group?" like that somehow changes things. You disgust me.

First of all I am glad that i disgust you!! My Muslim friends who agree with me are happy that I disgust you -- the truth hurts huh???

You are the one who brought the Jewish Defense League into this, why?
probably you were trying to be smart ^&% trying to prove a point...

The point is your a bleeding heart pro Muslim idiot who just does not get it.......
Hamas and other groups have been labeled and recognized by the United states government as terrorist groups....why not the Jewish Defense league?
Of course you have no reasonable answer......

So what about those 1.6 billion muslims who refuse to even speak out against the tiny minority?? It is odd and peculiar that they are the only group who does not speak out against those who make the religion of peace look not so Peaceful.

Go ahead and be an idiot and say things like when somebody is killed by a klingon do you blame all klingons? The answer is NO because other Klingons speak out against such autrocities.

Whwn a black person kills a white person there immediately are other blacks whi speak up and say thats not right...where are the muslims who are speaking up and saying that is not write...hmmmmm
 

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First of all I am glad that i disgust you!! My Muslim friends who agree with me are happy that I disgust you -- the truth hurts huh???
Your muslim friends huh? :rolleyes:

You are the one who brought the Jewish Defense League into this, why?
probably you were trying to be smart ^&% trying to prove a point...
Yeah. I was making a point, way to solve the case sherlock.

You accuse muslims of supporting terrorism because no one can show 1.6 billion muslims of working together (something that is impossible to show not matter what their faith is), when you can't show even 7 million Jews denouncing the JDL and Jewish terrorism.

The point is your a bleeding heart pro Muslim idiot who just does not get it.......
Hamas and other groups have been labeled and recognized by the United states government as terrorist groups....why not the Jewish Defense league?
Of course you have no reasonable answer......
Sure I do, US lawmakers don't want to publicaly offend Jews and Israel so they stick to calling call the JDL and other Jewish extremists terrorists in reports like the FBI report I quoted or like here:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/interna...-s-jews-among-exporters-of-terrorism-1.310391

Are you denying the JDL is a terrorist group? Are you still refusing to condemn the JDL? Its pretty remarkable that you point the finger at 1.6 billion muslims when you yourself won't speakout against Jewish terrorism.

So what about those 1.6 billion muslims who refuse to even speak out against the tiny minority?? It is odd and peculiar that they are the only group who does not speak out against those who make the religion of peace look not so Peaceful.
What about the 6.5 million Jews who refuse to even out against the tiny minority?? It is odd and peculiar that they are the only group who does not speak out against those who make their religion look not so peaceful.

Whwn a black person kills a white person there immediately are other blacks whi speak up and say thats not right...where are the muslims who are speaking up and saying that is not write...hmmmmm
Ok prove it. And since your standard for muslims is 1.6 billion or about half of the estimated population, why don't you show us when half of all blacks in the world have spoken out against black on non-black violence. And after that you can do the same for the Jews, Christians, Asians, Hindus and so. Or you can just admit you are a bigot with an agenda.
 

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Now replace islamic militants with white supremacists and ask why you don't feel the same about white people?


What is truly sad is you have no idea what you are talking about. Hell, you can`t even use terminology correctly. I bet you have no clue what a white supremacist is do you?

I am not white....I am a Jew and I am Polish and I have many Muslim friends who also wonder the same thing as I do. Why are so many Muslims silent?
I have many black and Hispanic friends. before I became self- employed; as an employer I preferred to hire black and Hispanic people.

Again, nice try but I am no white or Jewish or even Polish supremacists.

Definition -- One who believes that white people are racially superior to others and should therefore dominate society.

There is noway you can believe that I am a white supremacist!!
I do not believe I am racially superior to people of other races.

I do believe that there is something wrong with the Muslim culture when a very tiny group of people can give the supposed religion of Peace and bad name. There approx 1.6 billion Muslims on this earth.

Why does the vast majority keep there mouths shut? There is no way 1.6 billion people can be afraid of a tint minority.......well OK they can...
But in their silence they could also be in total agreement with what the tiny minority are doing!!