In Muslim countries, Christians are the new target

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peonyu

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You should have read what you posted:



Why aren't you holding all blacks and arabs responsible?

Do you blame all Christians and Jews when a group commits a violent act in their name?


Muslims commit them 100x more often than Christians do. One only needs to read the daily news to hear about Allah-maniacs blowing up a Church, beheading 6 year old Christian girls, or in general trying to destroy anything that is not Islamic. Even harmless statues of Buddha were leveled in Afghanistan [which has nearly 0 buddhists anymore due to Muslim persecution/slaughters centuries ago].
 
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peonyu

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Shouldn't I? On a side note, I don't "see myself" as a good person, I am a good person.



Moderate christians are annoying, moderate muslims I've never had problems with. Christian extremists/ fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists are as bad as each other.


Except a Christian fundamentalist most likely wont try and kill you. Whereas Abu will. Thats a large difference in my book and the latter is certainly much worse than the Christian fundy.
 

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What is truly sad is you have no idea what you are talking about. Hell, you can`t even use terminology correctly. I bet you have no clue what a white supremacist is do you?

I am not white....I am a Jew and I am Polish and I have many Muslim friends who also wonder the same thing as I do. Why are so many Muslims silent?
I have many black and Hispanic friends. before I became self- employed; as an employer I preferred to hire black and Hispanic people.

Again, nice try but I am no white or Jewish or even Polish supremacists.

Definition -- One who believes that white people are racially superior to others and should therefore dominate society.

There is noway you can believe that I am a white supremacist!!

No I don't think you're a white supremacist, I know you're jewish. The post you quoted and are responding to has nothing to do with you! o_O

JEDIYoda said:
I do not believe I am racially superior to people of other races.
Then condemn the Jewish Defense League. Condemn violence and terrorism committed in the name of jews and Judaism.


JEDIYoda said:
I do believe that there is something wrong with the Muslim culture when a very tiny group of people can give the supposed religion of Peace and bad name. There approx 1.6 billion Muslims on this earth.
Can you think of any other peoples with "bad names"? I can, the jews. For centuries they were persecuted, attacked and even almost exterminated in WW2 concentration camps. I always thought that was because of bigotry and racism, but now I'm learning its because the majority of jews failed to take a stand against the small minority that gave them a bad name. Thanks JediYoda!

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Why does the vast majority keep there mouths shut? There is no way 1.6 billion people can be afraid of a tint minority.......well OK they can...
But in their silence they could also be in total agreement with what the tiny minority are doing!!
So you don't actually know how they feel and what they think then? They might just be scared of speaking out, or they might be in agreement with the minority of extremists but you post things like this anyways:

JEDIYoda said:
What you fail to understand is that it`s not just a few crazies....it is all of Islam.

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Gyhrg71

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Muslims commit them 100x more often than Christians do. One only needs to read the daily news to hear about Allah-maniacs blowing up a Church, beheading 6 year old Christian girls, or in general trying to destroy anything that is not Islamic. Even harmless statues of Buddha were leveled in Afghanistan [which has nearly 0 buddhists anymore due to Muslim persecution/slaughters centuries ago].

Just because you don't hear about them on the news doesn't mean they aren't out there. For instance there are Christian terrorist groups and militias who are active like the Army of God, Lords Liberation Army, NLFT (one of the 10 most active terrorist groups in the world), Lord's resistance Army, KKK and so on. Thats not even including the dozens of crazy Christian groups in the US.

But if the # of attacks are what matter why don't we compare the attacks plotted and carried out by rightwing radicals against the US and compare?

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right
 

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Muslims commit them 100x more often than Christians do. One only needs to read the daily news to hear about Allah-maniacs blowing up a Church, beheading 6 year old Christian girls, or in general trying to destroy anything that is not Islamic. Even harmless statues of Buddha were leveled in Afghanistan [which has nearly 0 buddhists anymore due to Muslim persecution/slaughters centuries ago].

It's exactly the same as the KKK... Or... The crusades... or the dark ages... etc etc. Christians !> Muslims
 

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You didn't address my question at all. Probably because you don't have a rational explanation for your inconsistencies.

I said he is "almost" making me. I have the sense and I am socialable enough in a real life way, not to think that way.
 

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A "good person" that hates a hell of a lot of people. Nice.

Yeah I am a good person, I do good things, I'm good to people, Doesn't mean I can't hate the people that have held back the progression of my (and many other) countries. I don't act hatefully towards them when I meet one, but yeah hate the principles.

I suppose a better description of my opinion would be: I hate christianity. I'm indifferent towards Islam.

On a side note I'm comparing them the same as I would compare The "Scary Movie" films and "Vampires Suck" I hate all those films but some less than others, the same as I hate all religion and think it should be wiped off the face of the earth asap.

On a side note I would say I'm in a privileged position, that I only know 2 practicing christians. They are pretty uncommon my way, people figured it out.
 
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Yeah I am a good person, I do good things, I'm good to people, Doesn't mean I can't hate the people that have held back the progression of my (and many other) countries. I don't act hatefully towards them when I meet one, but yeah hate the principles.

I suppose a better description of my opinion would be: I hate christianity. I'm indifferent towards Islam.

On a side note I'm comparing them the same as I would compare The "Scary Movie" films and "Vampires Suck" I hate all those films but some less than others, the same as I hate all religion and think it should be wiped off the face of the earth asap.

On a side note I would say I'm in a privileged position, that I only know 2 practicing christians. They are pretty uncommon my way, people figured it out.
A "good person" and "privileged" to boot...living the dream. :rolleyes:
 

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It's exactly the same as the KKK... Or... The crusades... or the dark ages... etc etc. Christians !> Muslims

The Crusades are not a good example of Christian aggression [since that is selective history]. Its like saying the Russians were the aggressors in WW2 vs the Nazis, and leaving out the events that led up to that war. The Germans invaded Russia to start that war. It didnt start in 1944 when the Germans were losing.

So how does that tie in with the Crusades ? For starters, Muslims invaded Christian lands [at that time] such as North Africa, Iraq, the Byzantine Empire, Spain, Portugal, Southern France, Southern Italy, occupied Sicily, and made numerous raids on Greece and other areas that were Christian at the time. Rome itself was also attacked by Muslims prior to the first Crusade [which is where the Pope lives, surely that had some bearing on his crys for a Crusade]. Thats all before the Crusades happened, and those attacks/attempts to turn Europe into a Muslim state by force are what sparked the Crusades.

But if you want to cut out the period of Muslim aggression prior to the Crusades then sure, the Christians are to blame. But so are the Russians in WW2 for defending their culture against the Germans and the US was the aggressor in WW2 vs the Japanese [like the Crusades, lets just forget that the Japanese started it by bombing P.Harbor and pretend the war started with the A-bomb on Nagasaki].

All in the name of political correctness of course.

A real example of Christian aggression is Latin America and forced conversions there.



edit - KKK is also a horrible example. They terrorized people for their race and very rarely for their religion. 99% of the Black people they hurt were Baptist Christians just as they were. KKK = Arab Muslims attacking Black Muslims. KKK does not = Christan Al-Queada killing people for not believing in their version of the boogeyman. Dark ages = Christian on Christian violence. All in all really poor examples.


How about you list a Christian version of Al-Queda that is as active as they are. And link to a nation where Muslims are by law, second class citizens in a Christian dominant nation ? That would be something to really compare. But alas they are not to be found. Yet people keep chirping that Christians are just as violent...Yet the facts state otherwise and anyone who is not clueless knows it.

Modern Muslims are stuck in the Dark ages, Christians are not. Fact.
 
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JEDIYoda said:
Just making a point....1.6 billion Muslims are allowing maybe less than 1% of 1% of 1% bully the rest of the Muslims.....
Something is wrong with that picture.
What`s interesting is none of these so called peaceful Muslims are standing up against this in any way.
Here's some more examples for you JediYoda, directly related to the OP.http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/3365.aspx
Egypt's Muslims attend Coptic Christmas mass, serving as "human shields"

Muslims turned up in droves for the Coptic Christmas mass Thursday night, offering their bodies, and lives, as “shields” to Egypt’s threatened Christian community

Egypt’s majority Muslim population stuck to its word Thursday night. What had been a promise of solidarity to the weary Coptic community, was honoured, when thousands of Muslims showed up at Coptic Christmas eve mass services in churches around the country and at candle light vigils held outside.

From the well-known to the unknown, Muslims had offered their bodies as “human shields” for last night’s mass, making a pledge to collectively fight the threat of Islamic militants and towards an Egypt free from sectarian strife.


“We either live together, or we die together,” was the sloganeering genius of Mohamed El-Sawy, a Muslim arts tycoon whose cultural centre distributed flyers at churches in Cairo Thursday night, and who has been credited with first floating the “human shield” idea.
Among those shields were movie stars Adel Imam and Yousra, popular preacher Amr Khaled, the two sons of President Hosni Mubarak, and thousands of citizens who have said they consider the attack one on Egypt as a whole.


“This is not about us and them,” said Dalia Mustafa, a student who attended mass at Virgin Mary Church on Maraashly. “We are one. This was an attack on Egypt as a whole, and I am standing with the Copts because the only way things will change in this country is if we come together.”
So JediYoda Muslims will act as human shields to thwart terrorist attacks, and you won't even condemn the JDL and other jewish terrorists? :confused:

Are you a coward JediYoda or do you remain silent because you support terrorists?
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In Christian countries, Muslims are the new target ...

Since end of cold war ...
 

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So JediYoda Muslims will act as human shields to thwart terrorist attacks, and you won't even condemn the JDL and other jewish terrorists?

I don`t need to speak out against the JDL. I do not view them as a terrorist group...sorry thats just the way it is. Deal with it!!
yet you cannot make the same claim about nthe supposed tiny group of your muslim bretheren who are giving the religion of Peace--yeah right...rofl..hahaha a bad name!!


Are you a coward JediYoda or do you remain silent because you support terrorists?

Coward how so.....
You claim the JDL is a terrorist organization that is just a claim......does the United States recognize the JDL as a terrorist organization? Does the Unites States say the IDF is a terrorist organization?
There are group who claim the IDF is a terrorist organization.


Unlike the Hamas site that directly in their charter states --
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."


So whats your problem? Is it because my opinion is that it`s mighty interesting and sad and pathetic that a religion of approx 1.6 billion people give or take a terrorist or two has maybe a couple hundred people speaking out against this tiny group of terrorist or freedom fighters depending on your outlook...out of 1.6 billion...
 

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Coward how so.....
You claim the JDL is a terrorist organization that is just a claim......does the United States recognize the JDL as a terrorist organization? Does the Unites States say the IDF is a terrorist organization?
There are group who claim the IDF is a terrorist organization.

No, they are a terrorist group because they commit terrorist acts, and have been labeled a terrorist group by the FBI as I've already shown.

http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp

Hezbollah,Hamas, Al-Qeada were all terrorist groups before being named as such by the US correct? Should we all take this post as you defending the JDL's extreme and violent actions? :confused:

You've made Glenn Beck like accusations against over a billion muslims about not speaking out against terrorism, saying it means they are all either terror supporters or cowards and now you won't even do so yourself. So which is it JediYoda, are you a coward or are you a terrorist?

Whenever you rant and go on tirades about muslims all anyone has to do from now on is point at this thread and remind you that you are no better than those you've demonized for years.
 
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JEDIYoda

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But you do believe you are religiously superior to others, right?
No! Maybe I am not a normal Jew but I respect everybody`s right to practice whatever religion they wish, or not to. I expect the same in return.

But that does not mean that I cannot be critical of people who profess to be muslim which is called the religion of peace....yet it is hardly that.......

Do I respect a persons right to be a Muslim sure......as long as they respect my right to ask provocative questions...
 
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In Christian countries, Muslims are the new target ...

Since end of cold war ...

That is absolutely WRONG, into all of Europe Muslims have been welcomed with open arms, they have been given a place where they would not be persecuted, not be estranged and ALL that was asked of them was that they respected the laws of the land and the customs of the nations so they could be able to support themselves in their new home nation.

What do they do? They refuse to shake hands with "lesser people" and argue that it's because of religion so they should still get a job where you NEED to do that, they argue that they are discriminated against because they cannot treat their family against the laws of the nation.

I'm as much of a supporter in the western world that any Muslim will ever find but for fucks sakes, don't expect us to make special exceptions for you when we don't do it for ANYONE else and don't expect that you will be able to get away with breaking our laws because of your traditions or religion.

Don't like it, GET THE FUCK OUT, we didn't bring you here, we didn't ask you to please come, we helped you when you were running from Kosovo, Somalia, Eritrea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and yes, Turkey too, you don't ask for refuge in your friends house and demand that he then abides by your rules.

You just don't.
 
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No, they are a terrorist group because they commit terrorist acts, and have been labeled a terrorist group by the FBI as I've already shown.

http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp

Hezbollah,Hamas, Al-Qeada were all terrorist groups before being named as such by the US correct? Should we all take this post as you defending the JDL's extreme and violent actions? :confused:

You've made Glenn Beck like accusations against over a billion muslims about not speaking out against terrorism, saying it means they are all either terror supporters or cowards and now you won't even do so yourself. So which is it JediYoda, are you a coward or are you a terrorist?

Whenever you rant and go on tirades about muslims all anyone has to do from now on is point at this thread and remind you that you are no better than those you've demonized for years.

You are calling a known liberal a Glenn Beck loving extremist and you are way off base here.

Now the WORLD has declared Hamas a terrorist group, not just the US, the WORLD.

Hamas has proven time and time again that they deserve being classified as such so there is no question about it either.

JDL was a terrorist organisation, they deliberatly targeted civilians and that is terrorism, this Jew will tell you that they were, are they now? No, there is another organisation which is NOT supported by the JDL that is though, one that is based off of the old JDL, Kahane Chai.

But you know what, it's deemed a terrorist organisation even by Israel, so you can take your feigned outrage and shove it right up your arse and skip all the hippety hoppity way home.
 

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You are calling a known liberal a Glenn Beck loving extremist and you are way off base here.

Now the WORLD has declared Hamas a terrorist group, not just the US, the WORLD.

Hamas has proven time and time again that they deserve being classified as such so there is no question about it either.

JDL was a terrorist organisation, they deliberatly targeted civilians and that is terrorism, this Jew will tell you that they were, are they now? No, there is another organisation which is NOT supported by the JDL that is though, one that is based off of the old JDL, Kahane Chai.

But you know what, it's deemed a terrorist organisation even by Israel, so you can take your feigned outrage and shove it right up your arse and skip all the hippety hoppity way home.
Very well said.
 

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You are calling a known liberal a Glenn Beck loving extremist and you are way off base here.

Now the WORLD has declared Hamas a terrorist group, not just the US, the WORLD.

Hamas has proven time and time again that they deserve being classified as such so there is no question about it either.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? I never said he liked Glenn Beck or argued that Hamas wasn't a terrorist organization? o_O

edit: And no the WORLD hasn't declared hamas a terrorist group. Norway, Russia, Switzerland Turkey all recognize hamas as a legitimate government! Should we all change our minds about hamas despite the fact they commit terrorist attacks?

JDL was a terrorist organisation, they deliberatly targeted civilians and that is terrorism, this Jew will tell you that they were, are they now? No, there is another organisation which is NOT supported by the JDL that is though, one that is based off of the old JDL, Kahane Chai.

But you know what, it's deemed a terrorist organisation even by Israel, so you can take your feigned outrage and shove it right up your arse and skip all the hippety hoppity way home.
First, go fuck yourself, as you're fraud who pretends to be in the SAS. Second, I'm only asking JediYoda to do what he demands of muslims. See my post #62 and #68 on page 3.

I'm aware of the JDL's sister group in Israel and I've already mentioned them in this thread, and I've asked him to condemn not just the JDL but jewish extremists and violence committed in the named of jews as well and he's refused to do that.
 
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First, go fuck yourself, as you're fraud who pretends to be in the SAS. Second, I'm only asking JediYoda to do what he demands of muslims. See my post #62 and #68 on page 3. -- having issues because JohnOfSheffield is correct??

I'm aware of the JDL's sister group in Israel, and I've asked him to condemn not just the JDL but jewish extremists and violence committed in the named of jews as well and he's refused to do that.--of course I refuse, why? Because as JohnOfsheffield stated - I might add 100% correctly -- JDL WAS a terrorist organisation, they deliberatly targeted civilians and that is terrorism, this Jew will tell you that they were, are they now? No, there is another organisation which is NOT supported by the JDL that is though, one that is based off of the old JDL, Kahane Chai.

But you know what, it's deemed a terrorist organisation even by Israel, so you can take your feigned outrage and shove it right up your arse and skip all the hippety hoppity way home.

What part of what JohnOfSheffield said do you not comprehend??
 
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Gyhrg71

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What part of what JohnOfSheffield said do you not comprehend??

After tirades about muslims not stopping extremists you won't even condemn the JDL and other jewish terrorist groups.
You still haven't explained why the so called peaceful jews haven't haven't stood up to the JDL and other jewish extremists?
What are you personally doing to stop violent jewish exremists? If the violent extremist jews are such a minority to the "so called" peaceful jews and you don't agree with their actions then why aren't you stopping them?
You accuse muslims of supporting terrorism because no one can show 1.6 billion muslims of working together (something that is impossible to show not matter what their faith is), when you can't show even 7 million Jews denouncing the JDL and Jewish terrorism.
I didn't just ask about the JDL but of also about Jewish terrorism and jewish extremists. You haven't condemned anyone. Are you are coward or do you support terrorists?

Even if you honestly think the JDL isn't today an extremist organization they had 30+ years of terrorism whats stopping you from condemning that?

If the majority of Jews weren't cowards or extremists themselves certainly they could have done something about the JDL? Show us when the majority of the worlds so called peaceful jews during this time did something to stop the JDL?
 
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