Immigration, Explained with Gumballs

[Svnla]

Considering the law says you cannot expel undocumented immigrants without due process, without considering prosecurtorial resources/discretion and without violating their constitutional rights, sure. As long as all those things are adhered to, the AG can attempt to prioritize deportations all he wants as long as he follows their due process rights. Good luck getting any out.

But come now, don't deflect and don't wimp out of answering; if we let in the Musks/Groves and you say you're not asking for the "subpar" immigrants to be denied entry, then clearly you support letting in all immigrants correct?

As I said, apply rules and laws EQUALLY to all. No exception. No sanctuary, no more whining about deporting of ILLEGALS, no this, no that. No more excuse. You agree? Yes or No?

I am not wimping out as you claimed, just as I never said anything about "subpar" as you said in your post. See my original post above - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ed-with-gumballs.2503206/page-9#post-38839283

and about the hiring manager

Let say you are a hiring manager for a start up of your own . Would you want to pick the best and smart ones for your own company? Does that mean you are a hater or discriminate against anyone who are not fit to your criteria?

Love how you love to put YOUR own words into my mouth.

Anyone one has a brain would know that no such thing as letting in all immigrants. No country on Earth would let every single immigrant (feel free to name one) in . That's fact but nice try. Keep trying

 

[First]

As I said, apply rules and laws EQUALLY to all. No exception. No sanctuary, no this, no that. No more excuse. You agree? Yes or No?

Sanctuary isn't illegal, lol.

I am not wimping out as you claimed, just as I never said anything about "subpar" as you said in your post. See my original post above - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ed-with-gumballs.2503206/page-9#post-38839283

Annnnd the full wimpout is complete. Did you or did you not say you're not for rejecting subpar immigrants (those who can't read or write)? If you did say that (you did lol), then great you agree we should let in smart immigrants and not so "smart" immigrants. Welcome to the progressive position.

and about the hiring manager

Love how you love to put YOUR own words into my mouth.

Anyone one has a brain would know that no such thing as letting in all immigrants. No country on Earth would let every single immigrant (feel free to name one) in . That's fact but nice try. Keep trying

Speaking of putting words in people's mouths, where did I say all immigrants on planet earth without restriction should come in? I can hold your hand a little and make it clearer for you; all immigrants should be allowed to come in, smart or not-so smart, as long as it adheres to long established tradition of federal gov't population standards (density, resources, etc.). (And that's roughly 2M/yr, btw). I hope that's clearer now.

So now will you man up and admit you want smart and not-so smart immigrants to be let in? I'd love to hear you pretend you never said it, just waiting...

 

[Svnla]

Sanctuary isn't illegal, lol.



Annnnd the full wimpout is complete. Did you or did you not say you're not for rejecting subpar immigrants (those who can't read or write)? If you did say that (you did lol), then great you agree we should let in smart immigrants and not so "smart" immigrants. Welcome to the progressive position.



Speaking of putting words in people's mouths, where did I say all immigrants on planet earth without restriction should come in? I can hold your hand a little and make it clearer for you; all immigrants should be allowed to come in, smart or not-so smart, as long as it adheres to long established tradition of federal gov't population standards (density, resources, etc.). I hope that's clearer now.

So now will you man up and admit you want smart and not-so smart immigrants to be let in? I'd love to hear you pretend you never said it, just waiting...

This is exactly what you said in your previous post.

then clearly you support letting in all immigrants correct?

Where did I say anything about "subpar" as you claimed? Free free to quote my exact words as I just did to you.

Now will you man up and quote my exact words or will you continue to wimp out and put your own words as mine? Still waiting. Take your time.

Oh, I did say this more than once in this thread and many time to other threads but I will say it again for you.

....apply rules and laws EQUALLY to all

Not sure what part of "equally to all" that you do not understand.

Funny how you and other would NOT dare to reply to the hiring many question at the end above.

 

[WackyDan]

The vast amount of immigrants coming in are actually better educated than the general U.S. population, so it's not a humanitarian argument to start with, as the U.S. doesn't take that many refugees. Most people come in either for work or via family reunification. You could argue high immigration levels is depressing wage levels, particularly in STEM fields, but the rules of the game in America is whoever has money gets to lobby Congress over immigration. So better start saving those pennies and start your own PAC!

I would say you are correct on the bolded if you are specifically talking about LEGAL immigrants. Furthermore, I would say that we take in a significant number of refugees and asylees for per year. Who determines whether that number is significant isn't you or I however.

Numbers Here:
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/refugees-and-asylees-united-states

Illegal immigration does indeed depress wages. Furthermore, illegal immigrants are low skilled, low educated. - Not all, but many. I've personally known several that had degrees from their homelands that weren't recognized here (but were exploited).

Back in the days of US expansion and the early parts of the last century, unskilled labor was needed in the sense that those jobs be it factory or infrastructure didn't require a high level of education. I'd argue that allowing unskilled immigrants to this country today (legally or illegally) is detrimental in the long run (should it continue) and does nothing to address our poverty rate.

There has got to be a better immigration system than the one that has a dominant two party system doing fuck all about it.

 

[First]

This is exactly what you said in your previous post.



Where did I say anything about "subpar" as you claimed? Free free to quote my exact words as I just did to you.

Now will you man up and quote my exact words or will you continue to wimp out and put your own words as mine? Still waiting. Take your time.

Lol huh? And I quote:

...but pick the ones that could not read and write

Questions?

So since you're still pussying out, I'll ask again; you're cool with letting in subpar non-readers/writers and smart Musk immigrants, yes?

 

[Svnla]

Lol huh? And I quote:



Questions?

So since you're still pussying out, I'll ask again; you're cool with letting in subpar non-readers/writers and smart Musk immigrants, yes?

Still no "subpar" as you claim.

This is what I said.

The future of the US is about high-tech economy. So we would rather not pick folks as Elon Musk, Andy Groove and others as I mentioned to help our economy but pick the ones that could not read and write. That will help our economy a lot more, eh?

You see "subpar" anywhere? I don't. Still don't. Because that is YOUR own words, not mine. My question at the end in the quote is valid? Yes or No?

I already answer your question above. That's why I said apply immigration rules and laws equally to all.

Speaking of pussying out. Look who is still not dare to reply to my hiring manager question above. LOL.

 

[First]

And, and btw, feel free to quote where "letting in all immigrants" also somehow means letting in all immigrants with no restriction. I've always supported robust immigration with some population restrictions, in this very thread! lol.

 

[First]

Still no "subpar" as you claim.

This is what I said.



You see "subpar" anywhere? I don't. Still don't.

Wait, wait. So you actually don't know what the word subpar means. Ah man, I'm sorry, even I didn't see that development coming. I didn't actually think someone would publicly say they don't believe "subpar" and "can't read and write" are the same thing. Geez, that's so embarrassing for you dude, my condolences to you and your poor family.

Speaking of pussying out. Look who is still not dare to reply to my hiring manager question above. LOL.

Huh? A hiring manager is a private decision, having literally nothing to do with the public policy immigration considerations of the federal gov't. They're like two totally different things.

But I guess, thanks for playing and pretending to be smart?

 

[Svnla]

Wait, wait. So you actually don't know what the word subpar means. Ah man, I'm sorry, even I didn't see that development coming. I didn't actually think someone would publicly say they don't believe "subpar" and "can't read and write" are the same thing. Geez, that's so embarrassing for you dude, my condolences to you and your poor family.



Huh? A hiring manager is a private decision, having literally nothing to do with the public policy immigration considerations of the federal gov't. They're like two totally different things.

But I guess, thanks for playing and pretending to be smart?

I know what that word "subpar" mean but you claimed that I said it and I never did but nice try to spin because you would love to quote if I did say it. You were saying something about condolences to me and my poor family? Look like I would be the one to send those condolences.

Again, see the question at the end? Nice try to spin.

Let say you are a hiring manager for a start up of your own . Would you want to pick the best and smart ones for your own company? Does that mean you are a hater or discriminate against anyone who are not fit to your criteria?

So want to pick the best ones to come here to help with our future high-tech economy is wrong? Not want to pick the ones that are not is wrong/hate/discriminate?

Look here , look who agrees with me =

Perhaps one of the greatest values of highly trained international students is their potential boon to the growth of U.S. economy by creating new jobs as business entrepreneurs.

The American economy is a smart economy rendering sophisticated products and services to consumers and clients the world over. The continued growth of this economy requires sophisticated employees trained in engineering, technologies and the sciences. For this reason, we should take steps as a nation to streamline immigration policy and practice for such individuals.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lauren-harris/education-and-immigration_b_5609706.html

Me pretending to be smart? Funny I never said that but never mind, you did it again. Putting your own words as mine. LOL.

 

[First]

I know what that word "subpar" mean but you claimed that I said it and I never did but nice try to spin because you would love to quote if I did say it. You were saying something about condolences to me and my poor family? Look like I would be the one to send those condolences.

Haha, I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing at you, I just never really thought you would publicly admit to everyone that you find it inaccurate for me to characterize "can't read and write immigrants" as "subpar". Remember how I was putting it in quotes every time I used the word initially? There was a reason for that, I wasn't directly quoting you. Sheesh. Come on dude, it's just beyond embarrassing for you at this point.

Again, see the question at the end?



So want to pick the best ones to come here to help with our future high-tech economy is wrong? Not want to pick the ones that are not is wrong/hate/discriminate?

Yes yes, we've read your lame comparison of a private manager and a federal immigration public policy. Everyone is still laughing at this comparison because it makes no sense. If you want the private manager to make decisions based on intelligence/smarts (as they should), then why would you support the federal gov't making immigration intelligence decisions before the private managers get a chance to? Seriously, your analogy is just beyond stupid.

 

[Svnla]

Haha, I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing at you, I just never really thought you would publicly admit to everyone that you find it inaccurate for me to characterize "can't read and write immigrants" as "subpar". Remember how I was putting it in quotes every time I used the word initially? There was a reason for that, I wasn't directly quoting you. Sheesh. Come on dude, it's just beyond embarrassing for you at this point.



Yes yes, we've read your lame comparison of a private manager and a federal immigration public policy. Everyone is still laughing at this comparison because it makes no sense. If you want the private manager to make decisions based on intelligence/smarts (as they should), then why would you support the federal gov't making immigration intelligence decisions before the private managers get a chance to? Seriously, your analogy is just beyond stupid.

You are trying so hard to put your own words as mine but it did not work and it won't work. Keep trying. I know what I said. I did not say it and you know it.

See my edit above from a link from a well know liberal source that agreed with me. The article did mention the word "smart". OMG, how dare they did that and did not use the word "subpar"? LOL.

I say it again, see the question at the end of the hiring manager example. Dare to give a yes or no reply? Goodness.

 

[First]

Look here , look who agrees with me =


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lauren-harris/education-and-immigration_b_5609706.html

Me pretending to be smart? Funny I never said that but never mind, you did it again. Putting your own words as mine. LOL.

Haha, just saw this edit.

Let me get this straight; you honestly believe immigrants who come here, even those who aren't so smart, can't become smarter, and thereby more prosperous and successful which is of course great for the economy?

But keep on keeping on, dude, and remember don't be too specific with your words or someone like me might catch you in a giant, hilarious contradiction!

 

[First]

You are trying so hard to put your own words as mine but it did not work and it won't work. Keep trying. I know what I said. I did not say it and you know it.

"Can't read and write" = "subpar". I'm sorry you didn't know. Try polling ATPN to see what they think. ;-)

See my edit above from a link from a well know liberal source that agreed with me.

I said it again, see the question at the end of the example. Dare to give a yes or no reply? Goodness.

Haha, I already replied, kiddo. Read more closely. Try less to be a troll.

Anyway, off to lunch. Can't wait to see the obfuscation when I'm back.

 

[Svnla]

Haha, just saw this edit.

Let me get this straight; you honestly believe immigrants who come here, even those who aren't so smart, can't become smarter, and thereby more prosperous and successful which is of course great for the economy?

But keep on keeping on, dude, and remember don't be too specific with your words or someone like me might catch you in a giant, hilarious contradiction!

Still don't see anywhere I said "subpar". Keep on spinning.

All I know is I rather pick the smart ones on my team and at least one liberal news source agrees with me. I can give you more if need be.

Oh looky, look what I found. Here is another one:

Give Us Your Geniuses: Why Seeking Smart Immigrants Is a No-Brainer
Immigrants made America great. United States must admit many more High-Skilled Immigrants

Damn, another article says "SMART". ROTFLMAO.

https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...king-smart-immigrants-is-a-no-brainer/258451/

I do not see any articles that state let get more of the "can't read and can't write" over the "smart" ones. LOL.

So far, Svnla = 2, First = 0.

"Can't read and write" = "subpar". I'm sorry you didn't know. Try polling ATPN to see what they think. ;-)


Haha, I already replied, kiddo. Read more closely. Try less to be a troll.

Anyway, off to lunch. Can't wait to see the obfuscation when I'm back.

That's your opinion. Here is what dictionary.com says:

Subpar =

below an average, usual, or normal level, quality, or the like; belowpar:

I will scroll up and see if you did give a yes or no answer.

 

[Jhhnn]

Here you go again. Remember the last time we clashed about ILLEGAL immigration? See my question above about hiring manager.

And here you are dodging away again, for obvious reasons. Your ideas about immigration offer nothing to middle aged guys whose skills are no longer required by the Jerb Creators, certainly not where they live, where their roots, families, properties & mortgages have been for generations. Their attitude seems to be that they'll take the fucking, just so long as somebody else gets fucked worse. Cuz freedumb, obviously.

Mostly, I think, your POV is based on resentment. You resent the fact illegals may be granted amnesty while members of your own extended family wait in line for legal immigrant status.

Think of it as the pacific ocean creating an opportunity deficit.

The whole thing with immigration & conservatives is a misdirection play by the right wing noise machine. The problems of small town America originate with the migratory habits of free market capitalism, with automation & with progress itself.

Nah- couldn't be. It's those urbanites, minorities, uppity women, illegals & libruhls who are giving them a beating, not their exposure to the callousness of Capitalism & the utter insincerity of people like Trump, Ryan & rest in promulgating the fraud of trickle down economics.

 

[First]

Lol, the obfuscation is epic.

Still don't see anywhere I said "subpar". Keep on spinning.

Hehe. So full of pride and, yet, no reason to have any. Still wimping out of responding to anything I said too. Yawn you're so boring.

All I know is I rather pick the smart ones on my team and at least one liberal news source agrees with me.

Haha, they don't agree with you.

I can give you more if need be.

Oh looky, look what I found. Here is another one:



Damn, another article says "SMART". ROTFLMAO.

Dude it's sad just watching you flail. Seeking smart immigrants is indeed a no-brainer. Why you think this somehow matters in this discussion is pretty hilarious though, since no one is arguing we shouldn't want smart immigrants. Although given how many times you've flip flopped, maybe now you're arguing against it. Who knows what trolls really think anyway!

https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...king-smart-immigrants-is-a-no-brainer/258451/

I do not see any articles that state let get more of the "can't read and can't write" over the "smart" ones. LOL.

So far, Svnla = 2, First = 0.

Haha yes and no one is arguing that. Damn your reading comprehension is poor. You're just as bad as those poor, poor illiterates. And again, my condolences to you and your family, my empathy for them is off the charts that they are at such a disadvantage with you leading them.

That's your opinion. Here is what dictionary.com says:

Subpar =


I will scroll up and see if you did give a yes or no answer.

lol, yes it's only my "opinion" that someone who can't read and write is subpar. lol wow.

But hey, go ahead and post a poll on ATPN and see who agrees with you on the definition of subpar. Oh you won't? You can't? Aw it's ok kiddo, we all understand why you're pussying out.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The Modern Conservative: Liberal When Pressed.

 

[Svnla]

And here you are dodging away again, for obvious reasons. Your ideas about immigration offer nothing to middle aged guys whose skills are no longer required by the Jerb Creators, certainly not where they live, where their roots, families, properties & mortgages have been for generations. Their attitude seems to be that they'll take the fucking, just so long as somebody else gets fucked worse. Cuz freedumb, obviously.

Mostly, I think, your POV is based on resentment. You resent the fact illegals may be granted amnesty while members of your own extended family wait in line for legal immigrant status.

Think of it as the pacific ocean creating an opportunity deficit.

The whole thing with immigration & conservatives is a misdirection play by the right wing noise machine. The problems of small town America originate with the migratory habits of free market capitalism, with automation & with progress itself.

Nah- couldn't be. It's those urbanites, minorities, uppity women, illegals & libruhls who are giving them a beating, not their exposure to the callousness of Capitalism & the utter insincerity of people like Trump, Ryan & rest in promulgating the fraud of trickle down economics.

Again, just like last time we clashed, you did it again.

What my background, my family member, race, creed, nationality, etc. have anything to do with me pushing for EQUAL immigration for ALL and everyone should follow rules and laws EQUALLY?

Spin baby spin.

 

[Svnla]

Lol, the obfuscation is epic.



Hehe. So full of pride and, yet, no reason to have any. Still wimping out of responding to anything I said too. Yawn you're so boring.



Haha, they don't agree with you.



Dude it's sad just watching you flail. Seeking smart immigrants is indeed a no-brainer. Why you think this somehow matters in this discussion is pretty hilarious though, since no one is arguing we shouldn't want smart immigrants. Although given how many times you've flip flopped, maybe now you're arguing against it. Who knows what trolls really think anyway!



Haha yes and no one is arguing that. Damn your reading comprehension is poor. You're just as bad as those poor, poor illiterates. And again, my condolences to you and your family, my empathy for them is off the charts that they are at such a disadvantage with you leading them.


lol, yes it's only my "opinion" that someone who can't read and write is subpar. lol wow.

But hey, go ahead and post a poll on ATPN and see who agrees with you on the definition of subpar. Oh you won't? You can't? Aw it's ok kiddo, we all understand why you're pussying out.

Let see, I have TWO well know news sources (one of them is very liberal) to back up my position. Where is yours? Nada, zip, nothing.

Funny how none of you cried "eugenics" toward those articles.

Again, where is "subpar" = "can not read and can not write" as you claimed. Link(s)? I have Dictionary.com in my corner. And you have? LOL.

Oh, I did ask you for a Yes or No about my hiring manager example above. You ran with more rambling about this and that but not a Yes or No simple answer. Wanna try again? Again, just say "Yes' or "No".

Who is full wimpout/ pussying out again? LOL.

One more thing, last time I check, the rule of debate is you state your position then back up with links from well know sources (not personal blogs). I think I fulfilled that obligation. How about you, Jhhhhn, and others do the same and less of rambling on and on and put your own words into your opponent's mouth?

 

[Jhhnn]

Again, just like last time we clashed, you did it again.

What my background, my family member, race, creed, nationality, etc. have anything to do with me pushing for EQUAL immigration for ALL and everyone should follow rules and laws EQUALLY?

Spin baby spin.

As I pointed out, it has everything to do with your attitude. You seem to think that what you advocate wrt illegals is somehow practical or that the majority of Americans actually support such draconian measures to rid ourselves of the oh so horrid illegals. We don't. We never will. 2/3 of them have been here over 10 years. They're breadwinners for American children & families. They're already part of us the same way as their predecessors, legal or not.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-illegal-immigration-los-angeles-20170208-story.html

How about you & the Donald start a nice war someplace else? Those of us living in places with a high % of illegals really don't want one here.

 

[agent00f]

Svnla is just proof that at some point being more stupid isn't advantageous even for conservatives.

 

[Svnla]

As I pointed out, it has everything to do with your attitude. You seem to think that what you advocate wrt illegals is somehow practical or that the majority of Americans actually support such draconian measures to rid ourselves of the oh so horrid illegals. We don't. We never will. 2/3 of them have been here over 10 years. They're breadwinners for American children & families. They're already part of us the same way as their predecessors, legal or not.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-illegal-immigration-los-angeles-20170208-story.html

How about you & the Donald start a nice war someplace else? Those of us living in places with a high % of illegals really don't want one here.

My attitude? Want to enforce the CURRENT rules and laws of immigration as any sovereign nation is "draconian measures"? Do we ALL have to follow the rules and laws EQUALLY in a civilize society? Yes or No?

They are here over 10 years or longer? So what? By your logic, criminals that are on the run 10 years or longer are safe from consequences of the laws? Let ask "Whitey" Bulger about that. LOL.

Edit: Since you guys (blanket ILLEGAL supporters) love to boast about those that can't read and write, don't forget about these stories too, eh? - https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-island-teen-turned-back-180820352.html Yes, look like we need more gang bangers, eh? <sarcastic>

Never? Just from the threat of enforcement, ILLEGALS number drops like a rock -http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/22/donald-trump/trump-says-illegal-immigration-down-61-percent-ele/

So now we can pick and choose which rule we want to follow? I dare you to tell your boss on the next day at work, tell him/her this "hey boss, take your talk of following the rules at work elsewhere..those of us work here really don't want to hear about any of that". Let see you do that and see what will happen. Go ahead, I double, no, triple dare you.

So much for some of liberals like you chanting about "equality", "justice", "fairness", and other feel-good slogans. It is more like "do as we say and not as we do".

 

[Svnla]

Svnla is just proof that at some point being more stupid isn't advantageous even for conservatives.

Stupid? So I am stupid per you but I shamed and humiliated you in public so many times, such as this - https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/high-chance-of-china-taiwan-war.2499383/#post-38743019

What does that say about you? Being so "smart"?

 

[Puffnstuff]

The only thing that needs to be done surrounding immigration is to actually enforce existing laws. That also means policing up corporate America who's been using H1B visa's in an illegal manner to gain access to cheaper talent.

 

[WelshBloke]

Svnla is just proof that at some point being more stupid isn't advantageous even for conservatives.

Honestly it's easier just to put him on ignore. His thin skin, reading comprehension problems and lack of social skills are amusing to start with but start to grate pretty quickly.