Immigration, Explained with Gumballs

[postmortemIA]

The only thing that needs to be done surrounding immigration is to actually enforce existing laws. That also means policing up corporate America who's been using H1B visa's in an illegal manner to gain access to cheaper talent.

Most US companies are far behind Indian companies when it comes to H1B visas
top 5 : name, count, avg. pay
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx
1 Infosys 33,289 $79,201
2 Tata Consultancy Services 16,553 $69,648
3 IBM 13,600 $83,248
4 Wipro 12,201 $70,306
5 Accenture 9,605 $77,953

Now, Google, Microsoft and Apple are far behind, with far much better pay:
9 Microsoft 4,575 $122,641
12 Google 4,048 $127,898
22 Apple 1,514 $136,876

So yes, you can't clearly see that last 3 are abusing system; they are at least paying competitive wages. First 5, or anybody paying below CA competitive wages, are indeed. Just raising H1B min salary to over 100K would fix at least half of the problem.

 

[theeedude]

It's not really apples to apples, you have to look at the geographic distribution. Google, Apple, et al will hire top talent in expensive California, whereas Infosys may be hiring lower tier talent to serve lower cost locales with IT consultants. Even big companies will pay less in Texas than in CA, effectively it's local landlords pocketing the difference, not the employee.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Honestly it's easier just to put him on ignore. His thin skin, reading comprehension problems and lack of social skills are amusing to start with but start to grate pretty quickly.

Who are we ignoring? My list is growing every so slowly with several denizens who meet that criteria.

 

[agent00f]

Stupid? So I am stupid per you but I shamed and humiliated you in public so many times, such as this - https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/high-chance-of-china-taiwan-war.2499383/#post-38743019

What does that say about you? Being so "smart"?

Is there anyone actually dumber than svnla here even among conservatives?

Honestly it's easier just to put him on ignore. His thin skin, reading comprehension problems and lack of social skills are amusing to start with but start to grate pretty quickly.

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade." In this sense the worst of them are useful, since the fact that degenerates will try to disparage everything but their own speaks volumes, whether the klan or sex predators or svnla types.

 

[Svnla]

Is there anyone actually dumber than svnla here even among conservatives?

So when you made a stupid ignorant statement and I shamed and humiliated you in public with facts backed up by a well know link, you could not do anything but throw out more empty insult/name calling? LOL. Just like I did so many times before, you folded and ran like a lowlife bitch that you really are.

Way to go. Keep telling yourself how "smart" you are. Everyone with a brain knows that is not true.

Still nothing to back up your multiple accusations of SNC, momeNt, glracer, etc.? Nothing at all? Of course, not. Just like you. The nothing champ.

Fail troll is fail. Facts are facts.

 

[zinfamous]

Honestly it's easier just to put him on ignore. His thin skin, reading comprehension problems and lack of social skills are amusing to start with but start to grate pretty quickly.

yeah seriously--no one gains anything by responding to that dude. I learned that a while ago...well I thought I did, because I kept coming back. Probably will again, too.

stupid booze....

 

[WelshBloke]

yeah seriously--no one gains anything by responding to that dude. I learned that a while ago...well I thought I did, because I kept coming back. Probably will again, too.

stupid booze....

Booze makes everything entertaining though so that's ok!

 

[Svnla]

Honestly it's easier just to put him on ignore. His thin skin, reading comprehension problems and lack of social skills are amusing to start with but start to grate pretty quickly.

You tell the forum biggest troll (agent fail troll) to ignore me yet you don't have to ball to do so or even dare to address my points in my post directly. Talk about cowardice and this is not the first time that you do so.

 

[zinfamous]

Is there anyone actually dumber than svnla here even among conservatives?

Oh yes, absolutely. he makes some pretty dumb arguments at times, but then so do we all. His main failing is his obstinance. He just can never be wrong--especially when he is so obviously wrong about whatever it is. It's kinda funny, but only if you manage to just stay on the sidelines and watch.

 

[agent00f]

So when you made a stupid ignorant statement and I shamed and humiliated you in public with facts backed up by a well know link, you could not do anything but throw out more empty insult/name calling? LOL.

Way to go. Keep telling yourself how "smart" you are. Everyone with a brain knows that is not true.

Still nothing to back up your multiple accusations of SNC, momeNt, glracer, etc.? Nothing at all? Of course, not. Just like you. The nothing champ.

Fail troll is fail. Facts are facts.

It was explained why smart people don't argue with complete morons, your responses to which perfectly illustrate the point.

 

[agent00f]

Oh yes, absolutely. he makes some pretty dumb arguments at times, but then so do we all. His main failing is his obstinance. He just can never be wrong--especially when he is so obviously wrong about whatever it is. It's kinda funny, but only if you manage to just stay on the sidelines and watch.

It's not too hard to figure why people who refuse to ever learn anything are wrong all the time.

 

[Svnla]

It was explained why smart people don't argue with complete morons, your responses to which perfectly illustrate the point.

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. Throw around accusations to other posters but nothing to back up those accusations because you don't want to argue? LOL. Talk about pathetic wimp out but it is your nature. You could not help it.

 

[agent00f]

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. Throw around accusations to other posters but nothing to back up those accusations because you don't want to argue? LOL. Talk about pathetic wimp out but it is your nature. You could not help it.

The point of posting on a public forum isn't to convince you, but everyone else. Good thing they're not nearly as dumb.

 

[Svnla]

Enough of the bullshit. Ok folks let do a quick summary of my points in this thread:

This is what I said previously:

I am all for LEGAL immigration as long as we pick and choose the best for the future of the US, ie. smart ones such as Elon Mush (LEGAL immigrant), Andy Groove (LEGAL immigrant), Sergey Brin (LEGAL immigrant).

And Jerry Yang (LEGAL immigrant), Hamdi Ulukaya (LEGAL immigrant), Andrew and Peggy Chern (LEGAL immigrants), Pierre Omidyar (LEGAL immigrant), Jin Sook and Do Won "Don" Chang (LEGAL immigrants) and on and on.

The future of the US is about high-tech economy.

...apply rules and laws EQUALLY to all. No exception.

And I have two well know sources (see my posts above) to back up my statements, unlike my opponents:

One article (a very well know liberal one) said:

Perhaps one of the greatest values of highly trained international students is their potential boon to the growth of U.S. economy by creating new jobs as business entrepreneurs.

The American economy is a smart economy rendering sophisticated products and services to consumers and clients the world over. The continued growth of this economy requires sophisticated employees trained in engineering, technologies and the sciences. For this reason, we should take steps as a nation to streamline immigration policy and practice for such individuals.

Another one said:

The most important thing, we believe, is simply the outcome: what we need is a much greater number of High-Skilled Immigrants moving to this country.

In this time of economic uncertainty and political strife, the United States must play to its strengths. Our most enduring strength - the thing that sets us apart and ahead - has always been that we are the country where the world's best want to live.

Funny how NONE of my opponents could provide anything to dispute my points above but more empty bullshit, whining and bitching and such. Keep telling yourself how smart you are. LOL.

How sad and pathetic. Unable to fight back with brain, facts, and logic. Just like an eunuch (see agent fail troll).

Edit: One more article - https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...nt-off-deep-end-immigration-column/100548156/

and
http://www.businessinsider.com/my-nyc-startup-is-thriving-but-the-us-is-kicking-me-out-2017-4

Dear the readers, you can decide which one is the dumb ass one. The one with links to support his statements or the ones without? You be the judge.

 

[agent00f]

Ok folks let do a quick summary of my points in this thread:

This is what I said:



And I have two well know sources (see my posts above) to back up my statements, unlike my opponents:

One article (a very well know liberal one) said:



Another one said:



Funny how none of my opponents could provide anything to dispute my points above but more empty bullshit and such. Keep telling yourself how smart you are. LOL.

Arguments involving people too dumb to understand any topic inevitably have nothing to do with anything involving the topic. It's not as if it hasn't been made fucking obvious the OP sorts predicate their social status on lording it over lower class browns.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Gumballs are racists now.

 

[0roo0roo]

The vast amount of immigrants coming in are actually better educated than the general U.S. population, so it's not a humanitarian argument to start with, as the U.S. doesn't take that many refugees. Most people come in either for work or via family reunification. You could argue high immigration levels is depressing wage levels, particularly in STEM fields, but the rules of the game in America is whoever has money gets to lobby Congress over immigration. So better start saving those pennies and start your own PAC!

H1b's are a minority, family reunification and the rest simply dwarf the beneficial population.
It makes a difference once you have a generous welfare state to distort the labor/wage market, government effectively subsidizes all low end wages. The "walmart" jobs the left complains about subsidized by government services, something they understand, until it becomes inconvenient to their narrative. The negative externalities of mass importation of an underclass are costs paid down the line, but yes, corporate interests are at the end of the day above all other considerations.

The left likes to talk about cheap oil hindering innovation and development of alternative energy. But much the same applies to labor. And they will say it themselves, many jobs are being automated out of existence, all the while they do everything they can to mass import in cheap labor.

A lesson from history for those who claim to be concerned about "social justice"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death

 

[agent00f]

Gumballs are racists now.

No, racists who'll use anything to pretend it's not about race are still racist. As another example:

H1b's are a minority, family reunification and the rest simply dwarf the beneficial population.
It makes a difference once you have a generous welfare state to distort the labor/wage market, government effectively subsidizes all low end wages. The "walmart" jobs the left complains about subsidized by government services, something they understand, until it becomes inconvenient to their narrative. The negative externalities of mass importation of an underclass are costs paid down the line, but yes, corporate interests are at the end of the day above all other considerations.

The left likes to talk about cheap oil hindering innovation and development of alternative energy. But much the same applies to labor. And they will say it themselves, many jobs are being automated out of existence, all the while they do everything they can to mass import in cheap labor.

A lesson from history for those who claim to be concerned about "social justice"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death

You won't hear degenerates like these complaining about immigration if immigrants were fellow white nationalists.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Enough of the bullshit. Ok folks let do a quick summary of my points in this thread:

This is what I said previously:



And I have two well know sources (see my posts above) to back up my statements, unlike my opponents:

One article (a very well know liberal one) said:



Another one said:



Funny how NONE of my opponents could provide anything to dispute my points above but more empty bullshit, whining and bitching and such. Keep telling yourself how smart you are. LOL.

How sad and pathetic. Unable to fight back with brain, facts, and logic. Just like an eunuch (see agent fail troll).

Edit: One more article - https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...nt-off-deep-end-immigration-column/100548156/

and
http://www.businessinsider.com/my-nyc-startup-is-thriving-but-the-us-is-kicking-me-out-2017-4

Dear the readers, you can decide which one is the dumb ass one. The one with links to support his statements or the ones without? You be the judge.

You do know that smart and well trained/highly skilled are not the same thing, right? And that one is a genetic, biological thing, the other is based on learning, experience, and education, right?

You wanna guess why it's eugenics when you're saying 'let in the smart people' instead of 'let in the highly trained, highly skilled people'?

 

[Svnla]

You do know that smart and well trained/highly skilled are not the same thing, right? And that one is a genetic, biological thing, the other is based on learning, experience, and education, right?

You wanna guess why it's eugenics when you're saying 'let in the smart people' instead of 'let in the highly trained, highly skilled people'?

You do know that if you want to debate with me, you need to quote the whole thing and not just cheery pick the bits and pieces that fit your agenda, right?

You "forgot" to quote this very important piece in my quote..I also said " pick and choose the best for the future of the US".

Now carry on with your spin about "eugenics" and this and that.

Oh, one more thing. Eugenics (per Google) =

the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You do know that if you want to debate with me, you need to quote the whole thing and not just cheery pick the bits and pieces that fit your agenda, right?

You "forgot" to quote this very important piece in my quote..I also said " pick and choose the best for the future of the US".

Now carry on with your spin about "eugenics" and this and that.

Oh, one more thing. Eugenics (per Google) =

For one, breeding can be controlled by controlling the breeding populace. This is what Germany was attempting to do in the late 30's/early 40's. So don't try to twist this into 'oh, I'm not talking about BREEDING, i'm just talking about controlling the living populace'.

For two, I'm using what you quoted, which as far as I can tell is all the content that is needed to get my point across. Justifying eugenics as 'picking and choosing the best for the future of the country' is yet another thing Germany was attempting to do in the late 30's/early 40's. Don't attempt to redirect a callout by pointing to more stuff you said which is supporting my case.

There's not really a way to argue out of this, you're doubling down on your own stance as it is. Just accept that either a) you support eugenics or b) you're terribly misinformed about what you were calling for.

 

[Svnla]

For one, breeding can be controlled by controlling the breeding populace. This is what Germany was attempting to do in the late 30's/early 40's. So don't try to twist this into 'oh, I'm not talking about BREEDING, i'm just talking about controlling the living populace'.

For two, I'm using what you quoted, which as far as I can tell is all the content that is needed to get my point across. Justifying eugenics as 'picking and choosing the best for the future of the country' is yet another thing Germany was attempting to do in the late 30's/early 40's. Don't attempt to redirect a callout by pointing to more stuff you said which is supporting my case.

There's not really a way to argue out of this, you're doubling down on your own stance as it is. Just accept that either a) you support eugenics or b) you're terribly misinformed about what you were calling for.

I said what I need to say and I stand by it and I have not one, not two, but several articles to back up my position. Where are your links to support your statements? Nada, zip, nothing.

Me: "pick and choose the best".

Best - per dictionary (very much supports my article above in which supports my statement):

of the highest quality, excellence, or standing:
the best work; the best students.

most advantageous, suitable, or desirable

You and others can spin and spin and pick and choose whatever to fit your narrative and agenda. Need a bigger brush?

Facts are facts.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I said what I need to say and I stand by it and I have not one, not two, but several articles to back up my position. Where are your links to support your statements? Nada, zip, nothing.

You and others can spin and spin and pick and choose whatever to fit your narrative and agenda.

Facts are facts.

Guy, this isn't 'find citations for research'. I can find a webpage to support the earth being flat, doesn't mean it's real. To add to that, your articles are referencing bringing in highly trained and highly skilled individuals, something that nobody is refuting. There's nothing wrong with that. However, there's a reason those articles aren't stating 'bringing in people of higher intelligence over those of lower intelligence' because they know that this is describing eugenics. I really don't understand why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp. You are asking for the genetically superior people to come here, in lieu of the genetically inferior people.

 

[Svnla]

Guy, this isn't 'find citations for research'. I can find a webpage to support the earth being flat, doesn't mean it's real. To add to that, your articles are referencing bringing in highly trained and highly skilled individuals, something that nobody is refuting. There's nothing wrong with that. However, there's a reason those articles aren't stating 'bringing in people of higher intelligence over those of lower intelligence' because they know that this is describing eugenics. I really don't understand why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp. You are asking for the genetically superior people to come here, in lieu of the genetically inferior people.

Guy, this is a forum.

The last time I check, the rule of debate in this forum is this.

I made a statement/point of view. You dispute it by provide your own facts, evidences, links from well know sources (I dare you to provide any link from well know sources to back up the statement of the Earth is flat) to back up your statements and then I would do the same.

You don't get to pick and chose bits and pieces to fit to your agenda and point of view and then spin it to say that I said that and that.

Very simple to understand.

Oh, see my edit above about the explanation and examples of "best". Very much support my statements.

You want to keep ranting on and on about "eugenics" this and that. knock yourself out because it is your prerogative. But don't you dare to spin it into my own words/statements.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Guy, this is a forum.

The last time I check, the rule of debate in this forum is this.

I made a statement/point of view. You dispute it by provide your own facts, evidences, links from well know sources to back up your statements and then I would do the same.

You don't get to pick and chose bits and pieces to fit to your agenda and point of view and then spin it to say that I said that and that.

Very simple to understand.

I don't have an agenda. I'm pointing out that your stance is eugenics, supported by your own statements as well as the webster's dictionary's definition of Eugenics:

Definition of eugenics

1. : a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditary qualities of a race or breed.

Now, I cannot force you to use logic or reason to examine your own statements, and there's no 'link to web sources' which points out that on 10APR2017, Svnla made a statement supporting the usage of eugenics for furthering the united states. That doesn't change the fact that it did indeed happen. There's no 'picking and choosing' going on here, you made a statement, singular, which had a single, very specific meaning. Still not seeing how you can attempt to defend that by re-interpreting what your own statement said.