Immigration, Explained with Gumballs

[ivwshane]

Because it sounded as though you were stating that we should only allow in people of superior intellect, or more specifically we should filter who comes in based on advantageous genetic traits, aka eugenics.

It didn't sound like that to me but rather he only wanted successful people to be let in which ignores the fact that America is often what allows people to become successful. His point was just as stupid though.

 

[Svnla]

Huh? It sounds like eugenics, which is offensive to those who are concerned with equality. Hence, it sounds offensive. What exactly are you blithering about?

You think I said it (sound like) but I never said it. But keep digging, good luck.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It didn't sound like that to me but rather he only wanted successful people to be let in which ignores the fact that America is often what allows people to become successful. His point was just as stupid though.

I was keying off the 'smart people like' part of his comment, but this would be just as valid.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You think I said it but I never said it. But keep digging, good luck.

I am all for LEGAL immigration as long as we pick and choose the best for the future of the US, ie. smart ones such as

Uh? You said it right here. You want to pick and choose the best ones, aka the smart ones. This necessitates refusing those who aren't 'smart ones'.

 

[Svnla]

Uh? You said it right here. You want to pick and choose the best ones, aka the smart ones. This necessitates refusing those who aren't 'smart ones'.

Best and smart are offensive words now? LOL. Your last sentence above is YOURS and yours alone, not mine. Don't you dare paint your words as mine.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Best and smart are offensive words now? LOL. Your last sentence above is YOURS and yours alone, not mine. Don't you dare to put your words as mine.

No, jackass. Implying that only the smart ones should be allowed in to the US is offensive. How many of your friends and family would be allowed into the country if we were setting the bar at Elon Musk?

Also, quit straying. What you're describing is eugenics, that's not an opinion.

 

[Svnla]

No, jackass. Implying that only the smart ones should be allowed in to the US is offensive. How many of your friends and family would be allowed into the country if we were setting the bar at Elon Musk?

Let see. The future of the US is about high-tech economy. So we would rather not pick folks as Elon Musk, Andy Groove and others as I mentioned to help our economy but pick the ones that could not read and write. That will help our economy a lot more, eh?

Jackass you said? LOL. Keep digging and keep throwing insults. And keep painting your own words as mine. Need a bigger brush?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Let see. The future of the US is about high-tech economy. So we would rather not pick folks as Elon Musk, Andy Groove and others as I mentioned to help our economy but pick the ones that could not read and write. That will help a lot more, eh?

Jackass you said? LOL. Keep digging and keep throwing insults.

No, we should not 'pick and choose' at all. This country was founded on diversity, which means you let 'em all in and everyone prospers.

 

[Svnla]

No, we should not 'pick and choose' at all. This country was founded on diversity, which means you let 'em all in and everyone prospers.

That is your opinion. Do you see me bash yours or anyone else that are not the same as mine? Nope. Nada. Zip.

But you guys love to pull the race card (eugenics in this case) and throwing insults to anyone dare to express anything that are not similar to your point of view.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

That is your opinion. Do you see me bash yours or anyone else that are not the same as mine? Nope. Nada. Zip.

But you guys love to pull the race card (eugenics in this case) and throwing insults to anyone dare to express anything that are not similar to your point of view.

Race card? I specifically said eugenics doesn't have to include race. Race was left out of the equation. I called you a jackass because you were intentionally trying to bait me by twisting what I said into 'best and smart are offensive', not because I don't agree with you.

You'll do well to remember I wasn't the one who originally called you out. You asked me to clarify in my own words and my own opinion what Guurn said, then blew up on me because you didn't agree with me. So, yeah, re-read your first sentence.

 

[Svnla]

Race card? I specifically said eugenics doesn't have to include race. Race was left out of the equation. I called you a jackass because you were intentionally trying to bait me by twisting what I said into 'best and smart are offensive', not because I don't agree with you.

You'll do well to remember I wasn't the one who originally called you out. You asked me to clarify in my own words and my own opinion what Guurn said, then blew up on me because you didn't agree with me. So, yeah, re-read your first sentence.

You put your words as mine. Remember this?

This necessitates refusing those who aren't 'smart ones'.

You said it yourself "it sounded as" but I never said it ( I did read it again). You "think" I said it. Not my problem.

You or anyone can say whatever you guys "think" I said. It is your prerogative.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You put your words as mine. You said it yourself "sound as" but I never said it. You "think" I said it. Not my problem.

Guy, you asked RIGHT HERE:

I want to hear from that poster but feel free to explain in your own words what he meant when he quoted me and mentioned the words "seriously" and "eugenics" just from what I wrote previously.

to put it in my words. My words, as to what he meant when he called it eugenics, and so I did. Where the hell did you get the idea that I was putting words in your mouth? I explained what your words meant from an outside observer's standpoint, nothing more.

 

[Svnla]

Guy, you asked RIGHT HERE:



to put it in my words. My words, as to what he meant when he called it eugenics, and so I did. Where the hell did you get the idea that I was putting words in your mouth? I explained what your words meant from an outside observer's standpoint, nothing more.

You said this

This necessitates refusing those who aren't 'smart ones'.

I read that post again and not once I said it. This is what I said "...we pick and choose the best for the future of the US, ie. smart ones such as ...".

I want to pick the best of the best .ie...cream of the crop and that is bad/offense/<insert more nasty label>? So be it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You said this



I read that post again and not once I said it.

And was the intent of you stating the following:

I am all for LEGAL immigration as long as we pick and choose the best for the future of the US, ie. smart ones such as Elon Mush (LEGAL immigrant), Andy Groove (LEGAL immigrant), Sergey Brin (LEGAL immigrant).

was that we do not refuse those who do not meet the same criteria? 'Pick and choose' is phrasing which generally means selecting a, and refusing b.

 

[Svnla]

And was the intent of you stating the following:



was that we do not refuse those who do not meet the same criteria? 'Pick and choose' is phrasing which generally means selecting a, and refusing b.

Where did I said "This necessitates refusing those who aren't 'smart ones'."? That's your own words. That's what you think I said. Now if I said let pick the best and smart ones only and screw everyone what are not, then you would have a case. But you don't.

You did not see my edit so I will say it again. I want to pick the best of the best .ie...cream of the crop and that is bad/offense/<insert more nasty label>? So be it.

 

[Jhhnn]

I am all for LEGAL immigration as long as we pick and choose the best for the future of the US, ie. smart ones such as Elon Mush (LEGAL immigrant), Andy Groove (LEGAL immigrant), Sergey Brin (LEGAL immigrant).

What's in it for the basic Trumpster? Do you think immigrants slotting into society above them will some how facilitate their dreams & aspirations? Will it lift them up, or will it merely lift the ownership class?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Where did I said "This necessitates refusing those who aren't 'smart ones'."? That's your own words. That's what you think I said.

It's an interpretation based on you saying 'pick and choose'. If that wasn't your intended message, you may want to use better phrasing, and I apologize for misinterpreting your message.

So what was your original intended message, if it wasn't to pick the 'best and brightest' and tell the rest to pound sand?

 

[Svnla]

It's an interpretation based on you saying 'pick and choose'. If that wasn't your intended message, you may want to use better phrasing, and I apologize for misinterpreting your message.

So what was your original intended message, if it wasn't to pick the 'best and brightest' and tell the rest to pound sand?

My intention? Here it is again.

"The future of the US is about high-tech economy. So we would rather not pick folks as Elon Musk, Andy Groove and others as I mentioned to help our economy but pick the ones that could not read and write. That will help our economy a lot more, eh?"

Let say you are a hiring manager for a start up of your own . Would you want to pick the best and smart ones for your own company? Does that mean you are a hater or discriminate against anyone who are not fit to your criteria?

I rest my case.

 

[First]

My intention? Here it is again.

"The future of the US is about high-tech economy. So we would rather not pick folks as Elon Musk, Andy Groove and others as I mentioned to help our economy but pick the ones that could not read and write. That will help our economy a lot more, eh?"

Let say you are a hiring manager for a start up of your own . Would you want to pick the best and smart ones for your own company? Does that mean you are a hater or discriminate against anyone who are not fit to your criteria?

I rest my case.

lol, what case? So you want to let in the best and brightest immigrants like Musk, Grove, etc......ok great, but you're also not saying we should deny entry to "subpar" immigrants who can't read and write....ok great. So let them all in then, correct?

 

[Svnla]

What's in it for the basic Trumpster? Do you think immigrants slotting into society above them will some how facilitate their dreams & aspirations? Will it lift them up, or will it merely lift the ownership class?

Here you go again. Remember the last time we clashed about ILLEGAL immigration? See my question above about hiring manager.

 

[Svnla]

lol, what case? So you want to let in the best and brightest immigrants like Musk, Grove, etc......but you're not saying deny entry to "subpar" immigrants who can't read and write....ok. So let them all in then, correct?

As I said in another thread, let apply immigration rules and laws equally to ALL. No exception.

You would agree, right? Because liberals love to boast about equality and justice and all the feel good slogans. Don't want to be a hypocrite, right?

 

[First]

As I said in another thread, let follow immigration rules and laws equally to ALL. No exception

So that means let in both smart immigrants and "subpar" immigrants. Great, didn't know you agreed so much with the liberal position!

 

[Svnla]

So that means let in both smart immigrants and "subpar" immigrants. Great, didn't know you agreed so much with the liberal position!

That's mean everyone who are here LEGAL should stay and everyone who are not should be expelled. You agree? Yes or No?

Edit: love how you slide in the word "subpar" in there. That's your own words, not mine. Nice try.

 

[First]

That's mean everyone who are here LEGAL should stay and everyone who are not should be expelled. You agree? Yes or No?

Considering the law says you cannot expel undocumented immigrants without due process, without considering prosecutorial resources/discretion and without violating their constitutional rights, sure. As long as all those things are adhered to, the AG can attempt to prioritize deportations all he wants as long as he follows their due process rights. Good luck getting many out.

But come now, don't deflect and don't wimp out of answering; if we let in the Musks/Groves and you say you're not asking for the "subpar" immigrants to be denied entry, then clearly you support letting in all immigrants correct?

 

[Genx87]

There can be sensible restrictions on immigration. Like not allowing violent offenders through our borders. Otherwise I think we should setup a system that makes it easier for people to become citizens of this country. Restricting immigration is just prohibition on labor. Which as we can see creates another black market of people coming here under the radar.