I'm sick of the Government

[First]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

I support your right to stop paying taxes, but I warn you that it will only get you into trouble with the law, and rightfully so. The U.S. gov't can't let precedents be set where U.S. citizens can simply decide not to pay taxes because of perceived injustices by the U.S. gov't.

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

So the U.S. government can do whatever it wants but as long as it is providing 'services' you gotta pay up?

Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

 

[jpeyton]

Hell yeah, go off grid like Gene Hackman in Enemy Of The State.

 

[necine]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

I support your right to stop paying taxes, but I warn you that it will only get you into trouble with the law, and rightfully so. The U.S. gov't can't let precedents be set where U.S. citizens can simply decide not to pay taxes because of perceived injustices by the U.S. gov't.

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

So the U.S. government can do whatever it wants but as long as it is providing 'services' you gotta pay up?

Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

roads = gas tax
water = water bill
food? we pay for food in a grocery store

what exactly are you talking about? your taxes go to bailing out stupid companies and helping to murder other poor people.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

So absolutely nothing the U.S. government does warrants a tax revolt of any kind? You do realize the U.S. government was founded on a tax revolt initially, correct?

 

[First]

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

I support your right to stop paying taxes, but I warn you that it will only get you into trouble with the law, and rightfully so. The U.S. gov't can't let precedents be set where U.S. citizens can simply decide not to pay taxes because of perceived injustices by the U.S. gov't.

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

So the U.S. government can do whatever it wants but as long as it is providing 'services' you gotta pay up?

Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

roads = gas tax
water = water bill
food? we pay for food in a grocery store

what exactly are you talking about? your taxes go to bailing out stupid companies and helping to murder other poor people.

You need to do research. The FDA is tasked with ensuring that food that reaches grocery stores are free of contaminants. This is a very long, complicated and drawn-out process that requires billions to fund. But it's essential. Your water bill is based on water from your facet, and where do you think that water comes from? It's publicly built, run and ensured to be clean and healthy (and now includes chemicals like fluoride to strengthen teeth). I have no idea what you mean by "roads = gas tax"; the vast majority of freeways, bridges, etc. are gov't funded.

The nonsense in your final sentence doesn't deserve a response.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

My fellow Earthicans, we enjoy so much freedom it's almost sickening. We're free to choose which hand our sex-monitoring chip is implanted in. And if we don't want to pay our taxes, why, we're free to spend a weekend with the Pain Monster.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

So absolutely nothing the U.S. government does warrants a tax revolt of any kind? You do realize the U.S. government was founded on a tax revolt initially, correct?

And you do realize that the British empire in the late 18th century and colonial America has absolutely no relevance in this discussion about the need to pay taxes for public services, correct? The British provided no services to the colonies then, while the U.S. gov't currently provides services in exponentially higher quantity. There is no way you can get around this reality; you use gov't services everyday unless you live in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere and hunt for your food and boil your water.

 

[necine]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

I support your right to stop paying taxes, but I warn you that it will only get you into trouble with the law, and rightfully so. The U.S. gov't can't let precedents be set where U.S. citizens can simply decide not to pay taxes because of perceived injustices by the U.S. gov't.

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

So the U.S. government can do whatever it wants but as long as it is providing 'services' you gotta pay up?

Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

roads = gas tax
water = water bill
food? we pay for food in a grocery store

what exactly are you talking about? your taxes go to bailing out stupid companies and helping to murder other poor people.

You need to do research. The FDA is tasked with ensuring that food that reaches grocery stores are free of contaminants. This is a very long, complicated and drawn-out process that requires billions to fund. But it's essential. Your water bill is based on water from your facet, and where do you think that water comes from? It's publicly built, run and ensured to be clean and healthy (and now includes chemicals like fluoride to strengthen teeth). I have no idea what you mean by "roads = gas tax"; the vast majority of freeways, bridges, etc. are gov't funded.

The nonsense in your final sentence doesn't deserve a response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...s_in_the_United_States

My water is drawn from an aquifer under the ground, and as far as I know the federal government has no hand in my water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fda#Funding

The FDA has federal funding of 2.1 billion, out of 2.5 trillion that's hardly anything.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

I support your right to stop paying taxes, but I warn you that it will only get you into trouble with the law, and rightfully so. The U.S. gov't can't let precedents be set where U.S. citizens can simply decide not to pay taxes because of perceived injustices by the U.S. gov't.

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

So the U.S. government can do whatever it wants but as long as it is providing 'services' you gotta pay up?

Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

roads = gas tax
water = water bill
food? we pay for food in a grocery store

what exactly are you talking about? your taxes go to bailing out stupid companies and helping to murder other poor people.

You need to do research. The FDA is tasked with ensuring that food that reaches grocery stores are free of contaminants. This is a very long, complicated and drawn-out process that requires billions to fund. But it's essential. Your water bill is based on water from your facet, and where do you think that water comes from? It's publicly built, run and ensured to be clean and healthy (and now includes chemicals like fluoride to strengthen teeth). I have no idea what you mean by "roads = gas tax"; the vast majority of freeways, bridges, etc. are gov't funded.

The nonsense in your final sentence doesn't deserve a response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...s_in_the_United_States

My water is drawn from an aquifer under the ground, and as far as I know the federal government has no hand in my water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fda#Funding

The FDA has federal funding of 2.1 billion, out of 2.5 trillion that's hardly anything.

The EPA is involved to ensure that your water is safe and usable. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have been allowed to use it.

I'm trying to figure out if you're just trolling or just very ignorant.

 

[necine]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: necine

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

I support your right to stop paying taxes, but I warn you that it will only get you into trouble with the law, and rightfully so. The U.S. gov't can't let precedents be set where U.S. citizens can simply decide not to pay taxes because of perceived injustices by the U.S. gov't.

Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

So the U.S. government can do whatever it wants but as long as it is providing 'services' you gotta pay up?

Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

roads = gas tax
water = water bill
food? we pay for food in a grocery store

what exactly are you talking about? your taxes go to bailing out stupid companies and helping to murder other poor people.

You need to do research. The FDA is tasked with ensuring that food that reaches grocery stores are free of contaminants. This is a very long, complicated and drawn-out process that requires billions to fund. But it's essential. Your water bill is based on water from your facet, and where do you think that water comes from? It's publicly built, run and ensured to be clean and healthy (and now includes chemicals like fluoride to strengthen teeth). I have no idea what you mean by "roads = gas tax"; the vast majority of freeways, bridges, etc. are gov't funded.

The nonsense in your final sentence doesn't deserve a response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...s_in_the_United_States

My water is drawn from an aquifer under the ground, and as far as I know the federal government has no hand in my water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fda#Funding

The FDA has federal funding of 2.1 billion, out of 2.5 trillion that's hardly anything.

The EPA is involved to ensure that your water is safe and usable. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have been allowed to use it.

I'm trying to figure out if you're just trolling or just very ignorant.

I must be very ignorant.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: necine
I am considering not paying my taxes as a form of civil disobedience. This bailout is the straw... I don't support the bailout, iraq war, infringement on my civil liberties. I think I'm done. Thoughts?

Worked out well for this guy.

If you don't want to pay taxes in America, then move somewhere else and you won't have to. When you accept the services of the government you have implicitly agreed to taxation for it, even for things you don't support.

Trillions for greedy bankers is a 'service?'

No, your FDA-protected food supply, water supply, state parks, criminal law, etc. are a service. Get a clue kid.

Exactly. You have a moral obligation IMO to pay for the good things; the thing that can beat that is if the government does something so terribly immoral you think it outweighs it.

If the government opened Hitler style genocide camps tomorrow, maybe you would not want your dollars paying for it and pay the price.

But just thinking it's wasteful spending doesn't seem to me to make sense not to pay taxes - instead, put your efforts into improving our democracy.

Do you subscribe to several independant media outlets that help? Do you donate to groups and candidates who help?

 

[chess9]

What country? Country? Where? Oh, you mean that crumbling shell called America? LOL. Not to worry, mate, we have so many problems and are going downhill so fast you won't have a government to pay your taxes to!

In the meantime, pay your taxes, save your money.

Check out land in Costa Rica or Colombia or Nicaragua. But, you can't move when you are in JAIL.

-Robert

 

[babylon5]

You're better off to immigrate to another country than try to stop paying taxes here.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

So absolutely nothing the U.S. government does warrants a tax revolt of any kind? You do realize the U.S. government was founded on a tax revolt initially, correct?

And you do realize that the British empire in the late 18th century and colonial America has absolutely no relevance in this discussion about the need to pay taxes for public services, correct? The British provided no services to the colonies then, while the U.S. gov't currently provides services in exponentially higher quantity. There is no way you can get around this reality; you use gov't services everyday unless you live in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere and hunt for your food and boil your water.

So how do I opt out of these services as well as paying for them?

 

[badkarma1399]

While I agree the federal government is a colossal waste of money, civil disobedience probably won't work out too well. There are plenty of anti-tax anti IRS groups out there. Try joining one and become an activist.

Beats rotting in a jail. But hey, its what you have to deal with when we live in a near police state.

 

[glugglug]

I would be much happier without the "services" of the FDA. Plenty of dangerous sh!t makes its way into our grocery stores & pharmacies as long as the FDA gets their kickbacks. Because antibiotics & other stuff that probably should be over-the-counter (and is OTC in other countries) is prescription only at best here, it is often cheaper to order it through the mail from Canada than to pay my 10% insurance co-pay to get it locally.

 

[manowar821]

Actually, you can get away with not paying the "federal" income tax. Good luck with the rest of it, though.

 

[ebaycj]

OP, You DO realize that very little, if any of your taxes that you will pay during your lifetime will actually go towards the principal on the loans for bailing these companies out, or the principal on the loans for iraq war, right ?

Just teach your children to teach their children to not pay federal taxes. Then you will be stickin' it to the man, right when he's paying this stuff off.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

I would join you, but the federal and state government both steal money out of my paycheck even before I get it. Clever bastards.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: necine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...s_in_the_United_States

This means zero without your own input.

My water is drawn from an aquifer under the ground, and as far as I know the federal government has no hand in my water.

The vast, vast majority of American draw their water from gov't-funded infrastructure. You have without a doubt used public water if you have taken a shower, brushed your teeth, etc. etc. I have no idea what aquifer you're referring to that isn't handled by gov't services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fda#Funding

The FDA has federal funding of 2.1 billion, out of 2.5 trillion that's hardly anything.

Again, what are you talking about here? If you purchase food or drugs from the grocery/convenient store, it undeniably through some sort of gov't and/or FDA approval. Your $2.5T figure is utterly irrelevant and you can't explain otherwise.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

So absolutely nothing the U.S. government does warrants a tax revolt of any kind? You do realize the U.S. government was founded on a tax revolt initially, correct?

And you do realize that the British empire in the late 18th century and colonial America has absolutely no relevance in this discussion about the need to pay taxes for public services, correct? The British provided no services to the colonies then, while the U.S. gov't currently provides services in exponentially higher quantity. There is no way you can get around this reality; you use gov't services everyday unless you live in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere and hunt for your food and boil your water.

So how do I opt out of these services as well as paying for them?

99% of the population literally can't avoid using gov't services, unless they totally isolate themselves in the wilderness somewhere and hunt for their own food. You don't have a choice for good reason; you're going to use gov't services whether you like it or not. And, logically, you should pay for that. Now, perhaps you could argue that you should have to pay only a certain percentage, but that could lead to all sorts of impractical legislative nightmares that would open the door to anyone with any arbitrary claim of not needing to pay a certain percentage of taxes due to their usage, unnecessarily log-jamming an already very busy legal system.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: glugglug
I would be much happier without the "services" of the FDA. Plenty of dangerous sh!t makes its way into our grocery stores & pharmacies as long as the FDA gets their kickbacks. Because antibiotics & other stuff that probably should be over-the-counter (and is OTC in other countries) is prescription only at best here, it is often cheaper to order it through the mail from Canada than to pay my 10% insurance co-pay to get it locally.

No, it isn't. And FYI, you're, uh, *clueless*, to put it nicely. :laugh:

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Is this a serious question? The U.S. gov't has to generate revenue from Americans that use the services that they provide; safe food supply, water supply, roads, infrastructure, etc. The gov't cannot allow U.S. citizens to simply stop paying taxes, otherwise we'd have a massive problem with funding these essential human needs.

So absolutely nothing the U.S. government does warrants a tax revolt of any kind? You do realize the U.S. government was founded on a tax revolt initially, correct?

And you do realize that the British empire in the late 18th century and colonial America has absolutely no relevance in this discussion about the need to pay taxes for public services, correct? The British provided no services to the colonies then, while the U.S. gov't currently provides services in exponentially higher quantity. There is no way you can get around this reality; you use gov't services everyday unless you live in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere and hunt for your food and boil your water.

So how do I opt out of these services as well as paying for them?

99% of the population literally can't avoid using gov't services, unless they totally isolate themselves in the wilderness somewhere and hunt for their own food. You don't have a choice for good reason; you're going to use gov't services whether you like it or not. And, logically, you should pay for that. Now, perhaps you could argue that you should have to pay only a certain percentage, but that could lead to all sorts of impractical legislative nightmares that would open the door to anyone with any arbitrary claim of not needing to pay a certain percentage of taxes due to their usage, unnecessarily log-jamming an already very busy legal system.

Why can't the government privatize these services? Trash pickup, water, social security, prescription drugs, (soon-to-be) mortgages? Is the free market incapable of handling these services? Why should my money be stolen for the services I don't use or need?

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: glugglug
I would be much happier without the "services" of the FDA. Plenty of dangerous sh!t makes its way into our grocery stores & pharmacies as long as the FDA gets their kickbacks. Because antibiotics & other stuff that probably should be over-the-counter (and is OTC in other countries) is prescription only at best here, it is often cheaper to order it through the mail from Canada than to pay my 10% insurance co-pay to get it locally.

Here here. All government programs become lazy with time. I'd rather trust some other organization. Personally I just do the research myself online and just confirm what I know with my doctor when I get my prescription. Sometimes I know more than he does..

 

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